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Post by 14lbenson on Mar 1, 2014 22:52:51 GMT -6
I understand, we should give him time to recruit...but I truly believe we need to find a coach that will being some stability to this program...
What do you think?
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Post by Yotes on Mar 2, 2014 2:48:07 GMT -6
My thoughts? We can do better.
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Post by yote4ever on Mar 2, 2014 8:04:40 GMT -6
The last two games we were completely uncompetitive from the first tip. I stopped listening to the NDSU game after five minutes and turned off the SDSU game at about the same point. While I would have been surprised to have won either of the games, I was shocked at how poorly matched and unprepared we were. Herbster is a BB guy and I imagine it is killing him as much as it is the fans/boosters.
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Post by usdlaw on Mar 2, 2014 9:13:20 GMT -6
Let me answer the question a little different. Do we think our record would have been better under Boots? My honest response is no. I think our record under Boots would have been the same or worse. We did improve two or three spots in the Summit standings. Do people have immediate or unrealistic expectations of Joey? Maybe. Joey did many of the right things off the court, he got the students involved and went to the MUC etc to meet and get students to games. Something Boots never did but needed to be done. Does he work boosters better than Boots, yes he does. Did he make mistakes on the court, we can all Monday morning quarterback but I think even he would say yes he could improve. I think we all expect a Joe Glenn type mature coach but we have to remember he is still a rookie. Do other D1 schools give first time head coaching jobs to top assistants, yes some do. Should we? Well that is the question David gets to answer.
Joey bleeds Coyote red and I hope we don't lose him from the program. But fair or not fair, going into a new arena project I think we need someone who is going to make us a contender for the league title. If it is not Joey I know of two people with local connections who would be interesting candidates.
Tom Billiter (sp) Augies coach. He is proven winner and has great experience and worked under some great coaches in his career.
Ryan Miller at Auburn, brother of Mike Miller. Was top assistant at New Mexico St for awhile. Has some real interesting recruiting connections.
I trust David will make the best decision for USD.
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Post by wileycoyote on Mar 2, 2014 11:15:41 GMT -6
I agree that Joey has improved a few things: like being more visible to the students, changing the tempo of the game, changing defense strategies. He does bleed Red. He is an Alum.
All of that is great. But....
It was very frustrating watching these last few games along with some of the others that we could not close out. His inexperience as a head coach was very evident (maybe that will come and maybe not).
His lack of intensity and confidence at these last two games was frustrating! He had the games lost before there ever was a ball tipped! We have talented and smart players that are still being coached with a Boots/D-2 mentality. He was coached and mentored by Boots.
Yes, we are Monday morning quaterbacks.
It is time for a change. We do not need Billiter!
We need to set our sights higher.
We are USD!
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Post by GoYotes on Mar 2, 2014 11:27:08 GMT -6
It appears like the pressure of needing to win to keep is job is really wearing on James and in turn is wearing on the team. I think Herbster has seen enough at this point of the season to determine if he is going to take the interim tag off James coaching position. I don't think the results of the Summit League tournament will change his decision. If he has made the decision to keep James, he should announce it before the tournament. I think it would take the pressure off James and we would see a better performance from the Yotes in Sioux Falls.
If he has made the decision to look elsewhere, Ryan Miller would be a good choice, but I am not sold on Billeter. Augie was only 12 - 10 in the NSIC this year, with 5 of the wins coming over USF(2), Minot, Mary & Crookston. Augie was swept by Upper Iowa. Another good choice if he is interested would be Greg Lansing, former Coyote player and current head coach of Indiana State.
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Post by Go Jacks on Mar 2, 2014 11:43:23 GMT -6
It appears like the pressure of needing to win to keep is job is really wearing on James and in turn is wearing on the team. I think Herbster has seen enough at this point of the season to determine if he is going to take the interim tag off James coaching position. I don't think the results of the Summit League tournament will change his decision. If he has made the decision to keep James, he should announce it before the tournament. I think it would take the pressure off James and we would see a better performance from the Yotes in Sioux Falls. If he has made the decision to look elsewhere, Ryan Miller would be a good choice, but I am not sold on Billeter. Augie was only 12 - 10 in the NSIC this year, with 5 of the wins coming over USF(2), Minot, Mary & Crookston. Augie was swept by Upper Iowa. Another good choice if he is interested would be Greg Lansing, former Coyote player and current head coach of Indiana State. Greg Lansing salary at Indiana State www.tribstar.com/sports/x1378303063/Lansing-gets-5-year-rollover-contract |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 11:48:23 GMT -6
Ryan Miller would be a great hire and Indiana State's head coach would never leave there for USD. Not happening.
Tom Billeter is a great coach but USD will be looking for someone with a young, fresh outlook you'd think.
I hope USD keeps Joey.
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Post by GoYotes on Mar 2, 2014 11:54:00 GMT -6
I know Lansing is well paid by then Sycamores and that is why I said "if interested"
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 2, 2014 12:29:22 GMT -6
It appears like the pressure of needing to win to keep is job is really wearing on James and in turn is wearing on the team. I think Herbster has seen enough at this point of the season to determine if he is going to take the interim tag off James coaching position. I don't think the results of the Summit League tournament will change his decision. If he has made the decision to keep James, he should announce it before the tournament. I think it would take the pressure off James and we would see a better performance from the Yotes in Sioux Falls. If he has made the decision to look elsewhere, Ryan Miller would be a good choice, but I am not sold on Billeter. Augie was only 12 - 10 in the NSIC this year, with 5 of the wins coming over USF(2), Minot, Mary & Crookston. Augie was swept by Upper Iowa. Another good choice if he is interested would be Greg Lansing, former Coyote player and current head coach of Indiana State. It's interesting to see Coach Billeter's name coming up on here. As an Augie fan, I'd be incredibly disappointed to lose him for a number of reasons. But trying to look at it objectively, I think he'd be very successful at USD. Based on some of the concerns that have been raised here, I can see why some of you wouldn't be sold. Frankly, that's a good thing to me (since, as mentioned, I'd rather not see him go), but in terms of why he'd be a good candidate, you'd be making a mistake if you based things strictly on the win/loss record of this season. This year was a weird one for Augie, as we had our starting small forward (and returning leading scorer), Al Richter, get a shoulder injury in pre-season and end up missing the whole year. We also had our starting power forward, Zach Huisken (a kid USD offered a scholarship to), quit about three weeks before the first game because his heart wasn't into basketball anymore. It was announced last night that he has decided to rejoin the team, but at the time it left us with two gaping holes in the starting lineup. On top of that, our first guy off the bench (and sometimes starter), Brennan Olson also decided not to return after battling a lingering foot injury for two years. So Billeter unexpectedly went into the season without two starters and his 6th man. Then, during the middle of our conference run, our starting point guard, Matt Brazendale, came down on a nasty fall that led to a broken wrist and 51 stitches above his eye, so he was out for six weeks as well. The obvious answer is, "Well, you just have to overcome," but I'd be curious to see how USD would've performed the entire season without Flack, Norris, and Thoesby, as well as a six-week stretch without Rowson (just comparing players whose stats seem to match up with the guys Augie lost this year). I can't imagine the record would be much better than the current 12-17. Billeter also won a national Coach of the Year award last year and he's been a highly successful fundraiser (raised the money for Augie's $1.5 million practice facility basically single-handedly from what I've heard). And he's also been a pretty stellar recruiter at Augie. Based on how close he was to getting Nate Wolters a few years ago (it was between Augie and SDSU for Wolters), I'd say there probably would've been a pretty good chance Billeter could've gotten him to USD, seeing as Wolters's final decision came down to wanting to play D1. He's also got just as much D1 assistant experience at major and mid-major D1 programs (Arizona, Rice, St. John's and Texas A&M) as any of the other current D1 assistants you guys have discussed on here this past season. Anyway, I'm sure you guys just see me as having little man syndrome or something trying to defend my alma mater and its coach, but I think for people to be dismissive of Billeter just because he's at little old Augie would be a mistake on USD's part. But, like I said at the beginning, I'm perfectly ok with that. I think Augie is on the verge of at least two very successful years with our returning lineup. Won't have a senior on the roster next year, so we have the potential to put a special run together for a couple of seasons. I personally would love for Coach Billeter to still be at the helm of that run. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 12:54:32 GMT -6
I know Lansing is well paid by then Sycamores and that is why I said "if interested" Fair point. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 2, 2014 14:31:01 GMT -6
I would also say if USD wants to succeed in a hire, they need to be open to the idea of offering a contract of $250K.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 2, 2014 17:27:23 GMT -6
I would also say if USD wants to succeed in a hire, they need to be open to the idea of offering a contract of $250K. I agree. If the AD is going to be serious about having a successful program, the money has to be put in. I'm sure that there are more than enough donations to cover that salary. |
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Post by usdlaw on Mar 2, 2014 19:48:58 GMT -6
I agree Mr. Augie. Biliter would be successful at USD I think.
I also know Ryan Miller is interested in the job and has plenty of reasons to come home.
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Post by notkiotees on Mar 2, 2014 22:00:31 GMT -6
Would we pay Ryan Miller 250 thousand dollars?
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