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Post by yote14 on Mar 9, 2016 15:17:01 GMT -6
You crowned your women the summit regular season champ the last 2 years. How did that turn out? Putting the cart in front of the horse mighty fast. I would not crown yourself yet like you have the past 2 years.
Our men's team has had some success. They were the only transition team to ever make a postseason D1 tournament and won a conference title since going D1. Was not a strong conference by any means but we have never gone 3-21 like the bunnies did. It just happens the last 5 years have been sub par and that is when we started playing you. If beating NDSU in Fargo is not something to hang your hat on why can the bunnies not do it?
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2016 16:03:03 GMT -6
If only I could go back and re-choose the school I went to because of their athletic success instead of their academic success...sigh It's funny that athletics is arguing point number one for anyone claiming SDSU is the better school. I'll root for my alma mater, the finest and oldest institution in the Dakotas, and have a blast doing so.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 9, 2016 16:11:38 GMT -6
How about beating NDSU in football? That would be considered a major accomplishment... right? See, here lies the major differences in the fan bases. If SDSU had beaten NDSU but finished at the bottom of the cellar, I would not crow about it to other fan bases, because that would have been an awful year. Now I might throw it in their faces a bit but were rivals with them. Similar to being the first team in SD to beat a FBS team. That is great but it loses its luster when you couple it with the season it was accompanied by. Now if you add together the run of playoff trips, wins in the playoffs, and having one of the longest streaks in FCS of being ranked in the top 25, I would say as a whole that's a major accomplishment. Am I satisfied with the depth of the playoff runs that State has made to date? Absolutely not. But that's doesn't take away from the prior accomplishment as a program. Similarly beating us 2/3 times this year is likely a major accomplishment for USD, especially considering where the program was. I would measure major accomplishments similarly to major landmarks for the program relative to the program's prior success. When you have made the tourney 7/8 years, it stops being a major accomplishment, and similarly would be the same situation for the men's program had they had the run of dominance the women have had at State. It's all a matter of perspective. I guarantee that if/when your basketball teams make the playoffs or the tourney eventually you won't poo poo is and say it's a minor accomplishment either. And for your program it wouldn't be. Anyways back to smack, you guys suck ha ha ha
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 9, 2016 16:14:48 GMT -6
If only I could go back and re-choose the school I went to because of their athletic success instead of their academic success...sigh It's funny that athletics is arguing point number one for anyone claiming SDSU is the better school. I'll root for my alma mater, the finest and oldest institution in the Dakotas, and have a blast doing so. Ummmmm I thought this was usdcoyotesports.proboards.com, not usdcoyotesacademics.proboards.com? But if you are falling back on trying to talk University education smack it really shows how you have no argument in the athletics realm.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 9, 2016 16:17:35 GMT -6
I would not consider simply making the playoffs a major accomplishment nor simply winning a conference tourney. They absolutely are accomplishments and very cool but not major. I would consider a major accomplishment winning the outdoor national championship in pole vault as Bethany Buell did a couple years ago. Or the SDSU women winning 7 out of 8 tourney titles a major accomplishment. But simply making the playoffs 4 times and getting beat out the first round is not a major accomplishment. That's actually sad. Also what is actually sad is never being more than two places out of last place in the conference and having to hear about your rival school being nationally ranked week after week and having to watch the playoff selection show to see who your rival will match up against in the playoffs (or just ignor that it's on and pretend it isn't happening)
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 9, 2016 16:37:22 GMT -6
It's funny that athletics is arguing point number one for anyone claiming SDSU is the better school. I'll root for my alma mater, the finest and oldest institution in the Dakotas, and have a blast doing so. Ummmmm I thought this was usdcoyotesports.proboards.com, not usdcoyotesacademics.proboards.com? But if you are falling back on trying to talk University education smack it really shows how you have no argument in the athletics realm. My point is academics made my decision and athletics are a cherry on top. This proves the skewed view of your thinking. When USD starts to consistently beat SDSU again then what do you have to hang your hat on, the warmer weather? I am not trying to hide behind the academic portion, I am sick of losing to the Jacks in the major sports.
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Post by dave on Mar 9, 2016 17:21:35 GMT -6
If only I could go back and re-choose the school I went to because of their athletic success instead of their academic success...sigh So the way the members of this board like to heap praise on the Bison I can assume you would have chosen NDSU?
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2016 17:45:03 GMT -6
If only I could go back and re-choose the school I went to because of their athletic success instead of their academic success...sigh So the way the members of this board like to heap praise on the Bison I can assume you would have chosen NDSU? Giving credit where credit is due I asure you.
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Post by usdtator on Mar 9, 2016 18:58:55 GMT -6
How about beating NDSU in football? That would be considered a major accomplishment... right? See, here lies the major differences in the fan bases. If SDSU had beaten NDSU but finished at the bottom of the cellar, I would not crow about it to other fan bases, because that would have been an awful year. Now I might throw it in their faces a bit but were rivals with them. Similar to being the first team in SD to beat a FBS team. That is great but it loses its luster when you couple it with the season it was accompanied by. Now if you add together the run of playoff trips, wins in the playoffs, and having one of the longest streaks in FCS of being ranked in the top 25, I would say as a whole that's a major accomplishment. Am I satisfied with the depth of the playoff runs that State has made to date? Absolutely not. But that's doesn't take away from the prior accomplishment as a program. Similarly beating us 2/3 times this year is likely a major accomplishment for USD, especially considering where the program was. I would measure major accomplishments similarly to major landmarks for the program relative to the program's prior success. When you have made the tourney 7/8 years, it stops being a major accomplishment, and similarly would be the same situation for the men's program had they had the run of dominance the women have had at State. It's all a matter of perspective. I guarantee that if/when your basketball teams make the playoffs or the tourney eventually you won't poo poo is and say it's a minor accomplishment either. And for your program it wouldn't be. Anyways back to smack, you guys suck ha ha ha For a State College fan, you put together quite the long string of words in this post and several others today. Guessing someone had to help you put these sentences together so they didn't sound like a bunch of fragments or grunts...? I'll bet the last sentence is all yours though... Also, whenever someone has to constantly state their list of accomplishments to others, they are compensating for a lack of confidence in themselves, or, in this case, their school, -- it's called an inferiority complex... especially when you have to come to our boards to list those accomplishments.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 9, 2016 19:57:10 GMT -6
Sorry USD fans but comparing the Coyotes to the Jacks in the big 3 sports that matter the most is not a comparison. This is an athletics fan board, not an academic fan board. If someone wants to compare educational institutions that is fine but that is not the point of the discussion here. I hate to put in facts and reasoning in a smack topic but here goes.
I can only speak of the decade of the 90's, 00's and 10's but if we really want to make comparisons we are getting the short end of the stick and getting the short end big time. I think much of the reason that USD never catches up is maybe because no one ever seems to talk about the problem when it comes to measuring up. It just gets swept under the rug that no one wants to talk about.
Between 1990 and when the Jacks went D1 2 sports were one sided to the extreme and one sport was close. In Football the Jacks probably won 80% of the games during that stretch. What is sad is that they never made the playoffs and still whipped the Yotes most everytime and certainly almost always finished ahead in the standings. I can't even think of year out of recollection between that timeframe that the Coyotes actually did finish ahead.
In Men's basketball Dave Boots was solid during that time frame and both programs were good but I would have to give the slightest of an edge to the Jacks overall. In Women's basketball what else needs to be said. USD hadn't won a game in Brookings since 1990. That should tell you just about anything that you need to know. Both teams were above average in alot of the 90's and both programs raised their level but the Jacks were always the better program.
Since the Coyotes have moved to D1 the Jacks are way ahead in football and men's basketball but fairly even in Women's basketball with SDSU having the slight edge overall.
What that basically says is that SDSU is alway much better in 2 of the sports and slightly better in 1 of the sports and that trend is now over a quarter century long.
The Jacks prove on the field of play that they get results and have accomplishments and don't just simply rely on hope. They may not win national titles like NDSU does in football but they are always competitive, almost always beat USD and simply put together a long list of very good accomplishments as I stated on the rivalry thread. USD on the other hand never has their future be realized in the present. It's always 1-3 years away. I always ask when this rivalry trend will stop. I am always told to be patient as it will come. I ask that same question over and over and get the same answer over and over. Just be patient. I have been patient (ok often times not so patient) now for 25 years. Now USD is certainly on the right track, they will certainly catch the Jacks soon. Glenn will certainly be the one to turn around the football program. Now Nielsen is a sure bet whether he really is or not. I hope he is but I have heard this same thing many times before so we will see if things are really any different. Now for men's basketball we are certainly on the right track. Smith is a can't miss head coach. Despite a step back things are certain to turn around next year, aren't they? The new players will be can't miss prospects just like the new comers this year that have yet to make much of an impact.
Personally I am sick of losing to the Jacks and sick of hearing excuses as to why it is not happening this year instead of 2 or 3 years from now.
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Post by usdtator on Mar 9, 2016 20:56:16 GMT -6
Wow... who needs trolls from State College posting smack on this site, when fans like coyotefan post this depressing dribble...? I've only been posting on these boards for a few weeks, but I've noticed you consistently post nothing but negative opinions about the Coyote athletic programs. Have you considered not being a Coyote fan anymore... or at the very least changing your username?
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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 9, 2016 21:47:52 GMT -6
usdtator (and a reminder to everyone)--since you're new to the board do what I've done and not read cf's posts. His rants defy any rhyme or reason and he certainly isn't a "coyote fan" by any stretch of the imagination. He is Mr. Negativity. I'd love to be his supervisor. I'm sure he's a consistently superior performer?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 10, 2016 0:03:07 GMT -6
usdtator (and a reminder to everyone)--since you're new to the board do what I've done and not read cf's posts. His rants defy any rhyme or reason and he certainly isn't a "coyote fan" by any stretch of the imagination. He is Mr. Negativity. I'd love to be his supervisor. I'm sure he's a consistently superior performer? If you don't read the posts how would you be able to make an accurate depiction of anything regarding my posts. We all know you read my posts as well as any other board member that says they don't read them but lets not make this about posters but rather topics of discussion. We do not matchup athletic wise to SDSU in the sports that matter and saying otherwise is just ignoring reality. There is a reason this state is colored Jackrabbit Blue. Their fans just care more than USD's care. Their programs succeed more and they are the media darlings to the Sioux Falls media and every other media source not named the Press & Dakotan. There is a chance that the trend changes and I hope to god that it does but the betting money is that SDSU will continue to hold the advantage over USD for the foreseeable future. More than likely next year the Jacks will finish ahead once again in the big 3 sports. Call me the dark cloud but I just say it like I see it. I refuse to simply drink the red cool-aid and ignore reality in the process. There does seem to be alot of hope on the horizon with our current staff of coaches and facility improvements and that is a nice step in the process but until the results actually happen on the score board it is still only hope as it has been at least for the last 25 years. This topic of discussion should be talked about at every level of the athletic department especially since playing the Jacks is by far the most important thing for the vast majority of casual Coyote Fans, with an emphasis on PLAYING, not BEATING. At SDSU they expect to beat the Coyotes and do beat the Coyotes and I can guarantee you their would be a major upheaval in Brookings if they had the same record against USD that USD has against them. The fans, admin and everyone would be in emergency mode if they ever lost carrying the torch for athletics in the state of South Dakota. South Dakota has come to expect the Jacks to be the top of the rung in this state and USD is looked upon as inferior in athletics. I found it interesting that I heard a quote from Aaron Johnston after the Summit tourney saying the emergence of the Coyotes in Women's basketball was good for the Summit League. Somehow I doubt he would have said that had the Coyotes been the team that won the tourney either of the last two years. It's easy to congratulate the opposing team after knocking them off. Do my comments hurt to read, your damn right they do and they should hurt every good USD fan to the core but if I don't say it who else will. Sorry to be just a little upset seeing the Blue and Yellow come back to Brookings with another Summit sweep of the conference tourney and at the same time mock probably our best overall Coyote athlete on top of it. Talk about pouring salt in the wound. I have had enough of it and don't want to continue to see the Jackrabbit nation celebrate at our expense. As a long time fan of this program it hurts to the core to see all their fans celebrate on that floor. Then later at night to see them celebrate all over again. Their students must have been tired running all over that basketball court yesterday. So basically in one span of less than 8 hours they doubled the significant accomplishments that USD has in their entire span of time in D1. I am not talking about the isolated wins over NDSU or Minnesota because those are isolated games that didn't really lead to anything bigger and better other than that particular game itself. At this point I don't care so much about the why that this is happening, I just care that it is happening period.
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Post by notkiotees on Mar 10, 2016 7:01:00 GMT -6
Wow! that's a long one. Good thing talk is cheap. How 'bout you join the Howling Pack . Can't afford it? Maybe you could get a second job. You seem to have plenty of time to visit this board and run your mouth.
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Post by yote14 on Mar 10, 2016 9:02:36 GMT -6
I do not think anyone in red claims we have been more successful than SDSU. But blue man group will never admit to the successes USD has had. If USD beat SDSU or Illinois St. they would have made the playoffs last year. Far from the bunny poster on here stating we were in the cellar of the league and that's why our NDSU win means nothing. SDSU only beat 2 teams with a winning record last year (Southern Utah & Illinois St) and were beat out of the first round of the playoffs again. Far from this perennial power you claim you are.
Our women lost. It sucks. But you do not see past USD graduates writing articles titled "Poor SDSU, Even when they win they lose" as an SDSU grad for the Mitchell paper wrote 3 years ago when USD won the tournament. Nor do you see USD grads being jealous about someone else's championship trophies coming to town to the point of boycotting the store or that NDSU turned their back during our player intros while SDSU screams discriminative chants at a USD player from another country.
SDSU has one of the trashiest irrational fan bases who will always think are the best team in the nation in every sport and no one is even close to them. I guess when you graduate with a general studies degree and have a minimum wage job as SDSU grads do sports is all you have and you live in a world of irrational thought.
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