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Post by Iceman on Mar 2, 2016 23:23:34 GMT -6
There is no denying that USD's fan base is at large mostly white collar workers and SDSU is mostly blue collar workers/farmers. It is significantly easier for their fan base to make games on Monday's and Tuesday's and buy all session passes knowing they can make all the games. their alumni base is also significantly bigger than USD's. There is no denying that. People in a professional setting get very limited amounts of PTO and if you have kids you need to save as much as possible for them getting sick etc. Before you tell me I do not "get it" I come from a long line of family who farms. My dad still does and requires a lot of help doing so. I am back all the time helping as he is older. He still owns the original farmstead that my great great grandpa acquired when he immigrated from Germany. I have just as much pride in farming heritage as you but lets call it what it is and that is exactly as coyotecrazie5 said. Farmers have a significantly easier time making it to the games because of their winter "schedules". I will agree with you that farmers this time of year can adjust their schedules. They aren't as busy as spring, summer, or fall hours, but we sure as hell aren't sitting around not doing anything. There are many other people that are self employed or are their own boss that definitely adjust their schedules too.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 2, 2016 23:30:34 GMT -6
Give it a rest dude.
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Post by Iceman on Mar 2, 2016 23:31:21 GMT -6
Another common misconception about farmers and their "time off" is you might not see them out working all the time right now. This is the time of year that most farmers hate. They have to do all their bookwork and planning for next year such as seed, chemical, fertilizer, tax planning and income tax. Most farmers would rather do anything than this but unfortunately it's all part of the job.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 3, 2016 7:58:06 GMT -6
Play nicely children.
The state people are probably reading this and laughing their butts off.
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Post by yotefan on Mar 3, 2016 8:30:36 GMT -6
Probably not laughing as hard as I was after reading Stu's article in today's paper about the traveling Bizon trophy show coming to the Sioux Falls Scheels and how much it rankled State fans.
The 5 Championship trophies were scheduled to travel around Scheels stores in ND, MN, and then finally end up in Sioux Falls. State fans were threatening to boycott Scheels, calling the local store manager and corporate offices in ND to complain. Who cares?! Stupid idea? Yes. Don't like it? Don't go.
Loved that the article noted how State fans have considered NDSU their main rival since making the D1 move. In typical Stu fashion he neither captures the sentiment of the majority of State fans nor can he resist to stir the pot. In any event, the article did find at least one sensible Jacks fan to quote so I have to give Stu credit there. Curiously unmentioned was the USD victory in Fargo, but I digress.
For those keeping score at home, the article notes that the Jacks haven't beaten NDSU since 2009. Not sure what the all-time SDSU record is against NDSU, but it is worth mentioning that just this year the Jacks finally regained the lead in the football series against USD. Food for thought considering we have had our own drought against State, but since we aren't rivals no one probably noticed. =)
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Post by coyote70 on Mar 3, 2016 9:14:31 GMT -6
Are they planning on bringing the trophies to the Rapid City Scheels? I can't think of anything more underwhelming.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 3, 2016 9:33:22 GMT -6
I wish lakes would drop in and see all this interest in his tickets
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Post by dave on Mar 3, 2016 10:38:53 GMT -6
I'll throw my two cents in, yes on my farm it's pretty easy for me to take a couple of days off and go to the SLT, if the weather is good, if bad weather I'll stay home and take care of the livestock, don't start calving until the end of March. Now all of you Monday thru Friday 9 to 5ers have to remember next fall when your tailgating all day before football games, taking weekend road trips to the away games, and partying and getting drunk the entire homecoming weekend I'm busy with harvest driving combine.
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Post by usdtator on Mar 3, 2016 11:43:07 GMT -6
Can we just all agree that we love USD farmers and find State College farmers (and fans) arrogant and contemptible... not because they are farmers, but because they went to and support State college...?!?!?!
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Post by yote14 on Mar 3, 2016 12:52:09 GMT -6
What's the difference between USD farmers and SDSU farmers?
USD farmers are smart enough to do their own taxes and bookwork SDSU farmers struggle to reconcile their checkbooks because they are scared to use plastic. SDSU farmers also spend most of their day doing "BUSY" work like moving this pile of fence posts to the other end of the yard to get them out of the way.
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Post by lakesbison on Mar 3, 2016 23:57:02 GMT -6
I wish lakes would drop in and see all this interest in his tickets Why don't you rich lawyers & doctors buy these dam tickets! pimp seats!!! haha. Ill buy you a round of Bison Bombs & sign autographs for your kids as well.
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Post by golfingyote on Mar 4, 2016 7:51:52 GMT -6
I wish lakes would drop in and see all this interest in his tickets Why don't you rich lawyers & doctors buy these dam tickets! pimp seats!!! haha. Ill buy you a round of Bison Bombs & sign autographs for your kids as well. Bison bomb...is that a busch light with a shot of wild turkey? becuase that would clear up alot of things for me regarding bison fans.
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Post by yote14 on Mar 4, 2016 9:59:47 GMT -6
Why don't you rich lawyers & doctors buy these dam tickets! pimp seats!!! haha. Ill buy you a round of Bison Bombs & sign autographs for your kids as well. Bison bomb...is that a busch light with a shot of wild turkey? becuase that would clear up alot of things for me regarding bison fans. I thought it was a Molson with a shot of Canadian Whiskey?
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Post by jackjd on Mar 4, 2016 10:23:09 GMT -6
There is no denying that USD's fan base is at large mostly white collar workers and SDSU is mostly blue collar workers/farmers. It is significantly easier for their fan base to make games on Monday's and Tuesday's and buy all session passes knowing they can make all the games. their alumni base is also significantly bigger than USD's. There is no denying that. People in a professional setting get very limited amounts of PTO and if you have kids you need to save as much as possible for them getting sick etc. Really? Please tell me I need to turn up my sarcasm meter and that perhaps I just missed some clever humor. Think about this: Let's assume USD's women's program continues to challenge for and often win the Summit League Tourney into the foreseeable future. Assume also that Craig Smith starts producing teams that also challenge for and often win the Summit League Tourney. Both of those assumptions may well turn out to be reality. By your reasoning, USD fans won't show up in large numbers because they can't get away from their white-collar jobs??!! That's nuts. There'll be red all over the Premier Center. And at the end of a successful Summit League Tourney for USD, the USD fans will line up at the earliest possible moment to buy tickets for the next year's tourney. Although the opening games are played on a Saturday and you are writing about Monday and Tuesday games, watch the huge amount of red in the stands on Saturday, particularly for the afternoon women's game. Your posts suggests that if one or both of the USD teams win, USD fans won't show up Monday and Tuesday. You sell those fans short. You also ignore the fact that many fans of a particular team do not have a degree from that school. There are a lot of SDSU fans who simply like the Jackrabbits. I know loyal USD fans and supporters who did not attend USD. Fans show up in big numbers to watch a winner. If SDSU's fortunes in basketball changed and they didn't do as well in the future, don't you think the number of would start to drop off? My guess is that the drop off likely would not be as significant as it may be for some schools because there's a large contingent of SDSU fans who are basektball fans -- that's traditionally been the case (old timers may recall the NCC Holiday Tourneys in Sioux Falls). I am likely to attend the tourney even if SDSU didn't have a team in it (I have been to every Summit tourney in Sioux Falls). I like to take advantage of the chance to see good, tournament basketball within an easy drive. I've been to the Final Four when in Minneapolis and will go again when the tourney returns to Minneapolis. (Okay, being sarcastic here:) Until I read your post, I had not considered my line of work using my degree from USD to be "blue collar". Hmmm. If USD's women's program drops off and the men can't get started, don't you think there will be fewer USD fans in the seats? It's pretty easy to watch on TV. Your post starts "There is no denying..." Well, yes there is. You asserted something and ought to take some responsibility for supporting your assertion. You should look up the statistics on the various degrees conferred at SDSU and then reconsider the statement that USD's fan base is mostly white-collar while SDSU is mostly blue-collar. I've seen that information. To the point that it is easier for a blue-collar worker to make Monday and Tuesday games -- do you really think a guy working on a production line, for example, has an easier time walking away from work than a guy who is working in an office? It may be impossible to somehow prove either group has an easier time getting to a Monday or Tuesday game but if I had to make a guess, I think I'd go with the white collar guys. Oh well. Crazy assertions seems to be the currency of public discourse these days. I watched four guys on TV last night doing that--those guys want to be President. [/i][/i]
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Post by dave on Mar 4, 2016 13:28:51 GMT -6
There is no denying that USD's fan base is at large mostly white collar workers and SDSU is mostly blue collar workers/farmers. It is significantly easier for their fan base to make games on Monday's and Tuesday's and buy all session passes knowing they can make all the games. their alumni base is also significantly bigger than USD's. There is no denying that. People in a professional setting get very limited amounts of PTO and if you have kids you need to save as much as possible for them getting sick etc. Really? Please tell me I need to turn up my sarcasm meter and that perhaps I just missed some clever humor. Think about this: Let's assume USD's women's program continues to challenge for and often win the Summit League Tourney into the foreseeable future. Assume also that Craig Smith starts producing teams that also challenge for and often win the Summit League Tourney. Both of those assumptions may well turn out to be reality. By your reasoning, USD fans won't show up in large numbers because they can't get away from their white-collar jobs??!! That's nuts. There'll be red all over the Premier Center. And at the end of a successful Summit League Tourney for USD, the USD fans will line up at the earliest possible moment to buy tickets for the next year's tourney. Although the opening games are played on a Saturday and you are writing about Monday and Tuesday games, watch the huge amount of red in the stands on Saturday, particularly for the afternoon women's game. Your posts suggests that if one or both of the USD teams win, USD fans won't show up Monday and Tuesday. You sell those fans short. You also ignore the fact that many fans of a particular team do not have a degree from that school. There are a lot of SDSU fans who simply like the Jackrabbits. I know loyal USD fans and supporters who did not attend USD. Fans show up in big numbers to watch a winner. If SDSU's fortunes in basketball changed and they didn't do as well in the future, don't you think the number of would start to drop off? My guess is that the drop off likely would not be as significant as it may be for some schools because there's a large contingent of SDSU fans who are basektball fans -- that's traditionally been the case (old timers may recall the NCC Holiday Tourneys in Sioux Falls). I am likely to attend the tourney even if SDSU didn't have a team in it (I have been to every Summit tourney in Sioux Falls). I like to take advantage of the chance to see good, tournament basketball within an easy drive. I've been to the Final Four when in Minneapolis and will go again when the tourney returns to Minneapolis. (Okay, being sarcastic here:) Until I read your post, I had not considered my line of work using my degree from USD to be "blue collar". Hmmm. If USD's women's program drops off and the men can't get started, don't you think there will be fewer USD fans in the seats? It's pretty easy to watch on TV. Your post starts "There is no denying..." Well, yes there is. You asserted something and ought to take some responsibility for supporting your assertion. You should look up the statistics on the various degrees conferred at SDSU and then reconsider the statement that USD's fan base is mostly white-collar while SDSU is mostly blue-collar. I've seen that information. To the point that it is easier for a blue-collar worker to make Monday and Tuesday games -- do you really think a guy working on a production line, for example, has an easier time walking away from work than a guy who is working in an office? It may be impossible to somehow prove either group has an easier time getting to a Monday or Tuesday game but if I had to make a guess, I think I'd go with the white collar guys. Oh well. Crazy assertions seems to be the currency of public discourse these days. I watched four guys on TV last night doing that--those guys want to be President. [/i][/i][/quote] Jack JD you fail to take into consideration that it is not only the time off from work that keeps USD fans away from the SLT there is also travel involved as we all know the vast majority USD white collar alums eventually end up with careers in far away places such as Manhattan, Paris, London etc.
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