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Post by yote14 on Oct 12, 2017 7:14:58 GMT -6
He does not follow any of it real close so it does not surprise me how high he has Ill St. Looking at records only or whatever. He answers all questions with "I'm not really sure on that" or something else vague.
He reminds me of that employee at your company that has been there way too long and is extremely lazy and complacent. Bring some new blood in that gives a shit and will put some energy into it instead of repeating the same information story after story because he never follows it close enough to know better.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 12, 2017 8:29:50 GMT -6
There are about a dozen members of this board that are more knowledgeable about USD football, the MVFC, and the FCS in general than what the Argus has on staff. The problem is that we are all just avid fans that follow the teams and have a limited reach whereas the people who work at the Argus are actually PAID to cover the teams and have influence statewide.
Coyote Fan and elcoyote both put together better conference power rankings and actually gave their reasoning as to why they placed each team where they did. Different ranking order between YSU and WIU but I would accept either one of them if I was grading their work.
This is a microcosm of why newspapers are going out of business in the face of the internet world. Part of the reason is because the internet gives us the ability to have a collective consciousness and when the newspapers throw out B.S. we see it and reject it for the garbage it is. You know who has the most accurate FCS poll in the country? Not an AP, STATS, or Coaches poll, it's the AGS poll. You know where to get the overall best coverage of the FCS? You want to know what is happening? Visit AGS, GoYotes, Bisonville, Sioux Sports, SDSUFans, eGriz, etc. Yeah, just a bunch of message board chatter but there is a lot of info and you will get the inside scoop about what is really going on.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 12, 2017 10:50:08 GMT -6
There are about a dozen members of this board that are more knowledgeable about USD football, the MVFC, and the FCS in general than what the Argus has on staff. The problem is that we are all just avid fans that follow the teams and have a limited reach whereas the people who work at the Argus are actually PAID to cover the teams and have influence statewide. Coyote Fan and elcoyote both put together better conference power rankings and actually gave their reasoning as to why they placed each team where they did. Different ranking order between YSU and WIU but I would accept either one of them if I was grading their work. This is a microcosm of why newspapers are going out of business in the face of the internet world. Part of the reason is because the internet gives us the ability to have a collective consciousness and when the newspapers throw out B.S. we see it and reject it for the garbage it is. You know who has the most accurate FCS poll in the country? Not an AP, STATS, or Coaches poll, it's the AGS poll. You know where to get the overall best coverage of the FCS? You want to know what is happening? Visit AGS, GoYotes, Bisonville, Sioux Sports, SDSUFans, eGriz, etc. Yeah, just a bunch of message board chatter but there is a lot of info and you will get the inside scoop about what is really going on. While true at the FCS level, it probably isn't at the FBS level. When you get into internet chatter at that level you have to delve through oceans of garbage on the fan forums. Paid writers are more valuable then.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 12, 2017 11:22:46 GMT -6
I was speaking about FCS. Yeah, FBS message boards are a mess of garbage.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 12, 2017 20:00:01 GMT -6
I didn't realize the level of passive-aggressive angst that was floating around about the Yotes until I scanned Zimmer's chat today. Geez. In the past he has stuck up for Mick when there were comments on here, so that may have been his take, and I bet he wished he could take back his comment that maybe Mick didn't do a chat because 'maybe he forgot.'
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Post by Yotes on Oct 12, 2017 20:10:59 GMT -6
I don't understand why the Argus lets Mick cover anything. They have an interest in the sports properties that they cover, and benefit from an increased interest in those properties. No casual sport fan reading Mick's pieces is ever going to get excited about that team. He writes columns for people who never want to feel the highs of fandom ever again.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 12, 2017 20:52:44 GMT -6
On Zimmer's chat one of the rabbit fans seemed to have a problem with not being the best team in South Dakota. Then either that fan or another fan said that at least they still had the best basketball team in the state because of Daum. Pretty presumptive comment I would have to say. Zimmer's article(s) on their women's basketball team definitely would suggest that they are loaded and primed for a great year. When and where have we heard that before. I would say they are headed for 10 of their players being on the post season first and second team all Summit. How many straight years of them not winning the conference have to occur before any other team in the conference has an iota of a chance to compete with them. It is so funny the bias Zimmer has towards the Jacks and the indifference at best that Mick has towards the Yotes.
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Post by mraugustana on Oct 15, 2017 12:08:05 GMT -6
I may have missed something, but to give credit where credit is due, it appears Mick and the Argus covered the USD men's basketball season preview before SDSU got one. Just wanted to point it out as a relatively objective voice, since I'm guessing if the situation had been reversed, a handful of USD fans would have complained about favoritism shown toward SDSU, or complaints about Mick's coverage (or lack thereof).
I also enjoyed the story itself. Seems like Smith has the pieces in place for a pretty good year.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 15, 2017 12:43:05 GMT -6
I may have missed something, but to give credit where credit is due, it appears Mick and the Argus covered the USD men's basketball season preview before SDSU got one. Just wanted to point it out as a relatively objective voice, since I'm guessing if the situation had been reversed, a handful of USD fans would have complained about favoritism shown toward SDSU, or complaints about Mick's coverage (or lack thereof). I also enjoyed the story itself. Seems like Smith has the pieces in place for a pretty good year. You could be right, since Zim wrote 2 or 3 WBB stories already. Although, I know he posted some MBB stuff related to pre-season All Conference. Just looking at his ballot was essentially a story about SDSU.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 15, 2017 12:45:40 GMT -6
Actually, I clicked over this to thread to as a favor. Could someone who has a physical Argus post a pic of the front of the sports section? Heard it was something (I was told "the Argus just can't help itself").
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Oct 15, 2017 14:49:52 GMT -6
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 15, 2017 15:55:38 GMT -6
Ha! Perfect. That really is pretty funny/WTH.
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Post by mraugustana on Oct 15, 2017 16:27:42 GMT -6
There have to be at least a few of you who get more joy out of seeing your rival's colossal failure plastered all over the paper compared to coverage of an expected win over a below-average team, right? I understand the frustration in general, and I have obviously seen seven pages worth of it in this thread alone, so I do understand. But I feel like, if Augie were still considered a rival with SDSU, I would certainly enjoy seeing this all over the paper. Frankly, I still enjoy seeing this all over the paper.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 15, 2017 16:34:04 GMT -6
They really are damned if they do, damned if they don't here. If the spots were flipped then some on here would rag the Argus for trying to hide the colossal failure. If we are being completely honest, one of these stories was a story - the other was not. The big news is that SDSU blows and now everyone knows.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 15, 2017 19:13:31 GMT -6
I'm with mraugustana that is a bit enjoyable to see it blasted all over the paper vs. hidden somewhere. But the conversation I had with a casual fan earlier today was that during the transition years we were led to believe the lesser coverage was because SDSU was winning, and if the tables were turned USD would dominate headlines. That's what makes this sports page (and the guy's tweet) funny and discouraging at the same time.
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