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Post by jackedforlife on Oct 14, 2019 7:22:01 GMT -6
The myth of state athletic dominance is gone. USD athletics is now comprised of several established, dominant programs that regularly send teams to the post-season. Enrollment at SDSU has dropped substantially. At the same time their football games fail to draw sufficient crowds - even in ideal weather - to fill The Big Blue Empty. State college has financial issues. The stadium was financed based on the promise of capacity crowds. Without the expected gate receipts state will be forced to divert funding for other projects to ‘keep the lights on’ at the Astroturf Pasture, but given the size of its endowment and its parsimonious donor base finding other funds will be difficult. Their financial situation will restrain their investment in programs and facilities thus hampering their ability to compete with the other Dakota schools and potentially St. Thomas (not to mention all of the other Summit/MVFC programs) for recruits. Given all of this I can understand why they would feel threatened. It only follows that some would lash out after they have found themselves in the corner they currently dwell. The state college isn’t going away, but it very likely is going to spend some extended quality time in the middle of the pack. That realization is enough to send some people on the attack. I think you exaggerate the drop in enrollment, and I'm really not sure any average fan would know of future funding woes. The source is insecurity, but I think it's more about the on field product. They desperately want a successful rivalry but can't even dream of competing with NDSU, so they have to compare themselves to someone else and try to demean them. Regarding the bold, the Jacks can't compete with the Bison yet are the only team in the country to beat them more than once in the last few seasons. Attendance wise, true, it certainly would be nice to get more. But what is a sufficient crowd? I think any program would love to sellout or be at 90% fill but this stadium wasn't built to be at 90% attendance right away. And given the attendance dilemma the seasonal attendance average is still more than the dome holds or will ever hold.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 14, 2019 10:31:09 GMT -6
I think you exaggerate the drop in enrollment, and I'm really not sure any average fan would know of future funding woes. The source is insecurity, but I think it's more about the on field product. They desperately want a successful rivalry but can't even dream of competing with NDSU, so they have to compare themselves to someone else and try to demean them. Regarding the bold, the Jacks can't compete with the Bison yet are the only team in the country to beat them more than once in the last few seasons. Attendance wise, true, it certainly would be nice to get more. But what is a sufficient crowd? I think any program would love to sellout or be at 90% fill but this stadium wasn't built to be at 90% attendance right away. And given the attendance dilemma the seasonal attendance average is still more than the dome holds or will ever hold. Yes, state does have a pair of regular season wins against NDSU in recent history. But aren't they the only two in the past 10+ years? And do they hold much weight if it's always followed by a loss to NDSU in the playoffs?
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Post by jackedforlife on Oct 14, 2019 12:00:30 GMT -6
Regarding the bold, the Jacks can't compete with the Bison yet are the only team in the country to beat them more than once in the last few seasons. Attendance wise, true, it certainly would be nice to get more. But what is a sufficient crowd? I think any program would love to sellout or be at 90% fill but this stadium wasn't built to be at 90% attendance right away. And given the attendance dilemma the seasonal attendance average is still more than the dome holds or will ever hold. Yes, state does have a pair of regular season wins against NDSU in recent history. But aren't they the only two in the past 10+ years? And do they hold much weight if it's always followed by a loss to NDSU in the playoffs? Make the playoffs consistently and win more than one playoff game then you can talk about playoffs. Your team has more felonies than playoff wins in the recent past.
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Post by easmus on Oct 14, 2019 14:38:59 GMT -6
Weren’t they misdemeanors...and believe your coach got one too.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 14, 2019 14:49:16 GMT -6
Yes, state does have a pair of regular season wins against NDSU in recent history. But aren't they the only two in the past 10+ years? And do they hold much weight if it's always followed by a loss to NDSU in the playoffs? Make the playoffs consistently and win more than one playoff game then you can talk about playoffs. Your team has more felonies than playoff wins in the recent past. Hilarious. You quoted Yotes, and then proved his point in both your responses. He said: "They desperately want a successful rivalry but can't even dream of competing with NDSU, so they have to compare themselves to someone else and try to demean them."
He didn't say anything about USD at all, or try to compare our record, or attendance to the Jacks. Just noting the fact that no matter how much success the Jacks have in football, the Bison have still owned you. Your response isn't to refute that fact. You can't. So since you can't punch up, you punch down. It's similar to "whataboutism" in politics. Brilliant.
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 14, 2019 15:25:17 GMT -6
You have to remember who you're dealing with here. A lot of these people were the slow kids in school.
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Post by easmus on Oct 14, 2019 18:55:11 GMT -6
Weren’t they misdemeanors...and believe your coach got one too. Worth noting that I (among others) was very embarrassed by the Rambo & Williamson mess and certainly don’t condone their actions. The initial incident left some questions about what actually happened, but the second allegation against Williamson was atrocious. I’m sure Joe Glenn didn't know he was a sexual assault risk as I’m guess that isn’t a box to check on a recruiting questionnaire. What was troubling in the whole Stig ordeal was how few Jacks fans seemed embarrassed by the actions of the leader of their program. A lot acted like it was funny or no big deal. Sure they paraded him out on the radio and he claimed be didn't know what beer tasted like and all the rest. So take shots about felonies but neither program is squeaky clean.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 14, 2019 19:50:47 GMT -6
Weren’t they misdemeanors...and believe your coach got one too. Worth noting that I (among others) was very embarrassed by the Rambo & Williamson mess and certainly don’t condone their actions. The initial incident left some questions about what actually happened, but the second allegation against Williamson was atrocious. I’m sure Joe Glenn didn't know he was a sexual assault risk as I’m guess that isn’t a box to check on a recruiting questionnaire. What was troubling in the whole Stig ordeal was how few Jacks fans seemed embarrassed by the actions of the leader of their program. A lot acted like it was funny or no big deal. Sure they paraded him out on the radio and he claimed be didn't know what beer tasted like and all the rest. So take shots about felonies but neither program is squeaky clean. It was embarrassing for sure, but there’s one difference that stands out between the schools. Our head coach dealt with it immediately by dismissing them from the team. And that cost us dearly in terms of wins vs losses. Everyone at USD was on board with the move. Stig gets a violation and not only isn’t there punishment, they had the story buried and held it from public knowledge until AFTER signing date. Why? So parents of recruits wouldn’t see it and talk to their kids about it, with the possible outcome of going somewhere else. That is the difference between the two schools.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 14, 2019 21:46:52 GMT -6
Yes, state does have a pair of regular season wins against NDSU in recent history. But aren't they the only two in the past 10+ years? And do they hold much weight if it's always followed by a loss to NDSU in the playoffs? Make the playoffs consistently and win more than one playoff game then you can talk about playoffs. Your team has more felonies than playoff wins in the recent past. I guess, in case you weren't aware, USD has a better winning percentage against NDSU since we accepted an invite to the conference. Everyone totally knows and respects this fact, just like they respect your fringe success against NDSU ahead of the ritual playoff embarrassment. You came in so sensible, but left so upset. What could have ever changed your demeanor? Perhaps it was validation of my original point.
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Post by jackedforlife on Oct 15, 2019 6:32:33 GMT -6
Make the playoffs consistently and win more than one playoff game then you can talk about playoffs. Your team has more felonies than playoff wins in the recent past. I guess, in case you weren't aware, USD has a better winning percentage against NDSU since we accepted an invite to the conference. Everyone totally knows and respects this fact, just like they respect your fringe success against NDSU ahead of the ritual playoff embarrassment. You came in so sensible, but left so upset. What could have ever changed your demeanor? Perhaps it was validation of my original point. How is your winning percentage against the Jacks since you entered the MVFC? Not sure how you crunched your numbers to come up with that but I guess that 1 win is pretty special. True the playoff Jacks have not fared well against the Bison. Guess you proved your point, it truly is better as a player to be sitting on your mama's couch Thanksgiving weekend. Luckily they found a way to give away the Houston Baptist game to help that cause. Then found a way to beat teams with a combined 3 wins so far on the season to save Bob's behind. That D is salty now, they've figured out the positionless strategy. Good luck against the fighting Farley's, I'm sure you'll hold them under 50.
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Post by sdyotefan on Oct 15, 2019 7:11:30 GMT -6
So I guess JFL is really agreeing that the bizon aren't really their rivals since they can't beat them in a playoff game and he has to deflect. I know it is real difficult for bunny fans to admit they're not the best at everything but life and reality can be difficult sometimes especially when hugely inflated egos are involved!! So don't be a snowflake and buck up!
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Post by easmus on Oct 15, 2019 8:54:24 GMT -6
Yes the defense played exceptionally well against UNC, Indy St, & Mizz st and yes those teams aren’t as good as Montana. But I think part of the reason there is some tempered excitement is because they didn’t just scrape by against them they dominated them. The Mizz St game was a MVFC game on the road. Yes, we have a measuring stick game @ UNI Saturday. The first couple weeks the defense looked flat out confused. They haven’t the last 3 weeks. I think we all are intrigued to find out if the defense can play as well against a better team.
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 15, 2019 21:56:06 GMT -6
Somewhat interesting reading jackerforlifer's posts and seeing the Dunning-Kruger Effect at work.
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Post by sdyotefan on Nov 10, 2019 16:09:53 GMT -6
To para phrase the Argus Leader--The jacks played before a disappointing crowd of 7200 in dismal weather and didn't play well. Guess they have a nice indoor practice facility though!
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Post by pressboxvet on Nov 10, 2019 16:20:38 GMT -6
To para phrase the Argus Leader--The jacks played before a disappointing crowd of 7200 in dismal weather and didn't play well. Guess they have a nice indoor practice facility though! Once again the Big Blue Empty fails to provide any kind of home field advantage. With such a ‘dominant program’ you’d think they’d be selling out rain, sleet, or snow. Remember this the next time a state college fan talks about ‘fair weather fans’. This is it...literally!
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