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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2016 19:14:50 GMT -6
The most accurate and fairest way to measure who is the best team is by the Summit League regular season. Unless the non conference season is lopsided in favor of one team or another. I will say it until I am blue in the face, well actually red in the face but in no way should a team that is the #1 seed and conference champion have to play a game where they are at a disadvantage in any way in the conference tourney. That goes for the IPFW men playing every one of their tourney games at a crowd and location disadvantage. That goes for the SDSU women as the lower seed having a two-thirds crowd advantage in the rubber match and most important game of the year. There is NO QUESTION that both SDSU teams have faired much better in Sioux Falls then they would in a different location not within reasonable driving distance of Brookings. Same goes for USD. In no way should they play IPFW in Sioux Falls as a 8 seed vs a 1 seed.
Of course money is involved, attendance etc but we are talking about the single most important athletic goal for the non football playing summit teams. We are talking about the auto bid to the NCAA tourney. I hate seeing that be put up to a money things or an interest thing. I believe in general fairness and that is why I think all regular season champs should be the tourney auto big and believe all tourney champs that don't get the auto big should have to meet in a play in tourney in some fashion to play for maybe 4-6 spots in the actual tourney bracket. It keeps the legitimacy of the regular season conference champs and also always the conference tourney to still have a lot of meaning as well.
Back to the argument at hand. if I were a player on the Coyote women's team and I heard what Zimmer said about SDSU being the best team in the Summit for years I would take that as not a chip on my shoulder but that would drive me every day and in every game to be as good as I could be especially against the Jacks. It's disrespectful to say that considering that SDSU hasn't even been the best team for the last 2 years. Disrespect is probably the single biggest form of motivation that one can have and if not it is way up there on the list.
There is one good thing for SDSU losing Miller. It might make each player feel they have to step up their game just a little more than they have already. If can be an "us against the world mentality". Without having an extra sense of motivation, complacency can set in especially considering that almost everyone has already handed the Jacks the title. If the players let those thoughts go through their head they simply won't be as motivated as often then a team that feels they have something to prove.
I may be wrong but the Coyote women play like they do have a chip on their shoulder. Maybe they do and maybe they don't but they have a sense of purpose and are relentless in their play. There were a lot of good things about Amy Williams and she is a heck of a coach but is it possible that Dawn is getting even more out of her players then even Amy did. The talent was good last year but sometimes talent can only be measure by the size of ones heart and I see a lot of heart from this team. That is not to take anything away from last years team but this year the Coyotes bust their butts on the D end of the court. The Coyotes actually underachieved last year for the entire first half of the season.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 15, 2016 10:06:29 GMT -6
Really? You guys took a simple SDSU smack thread and turned it into a pissing match about girls basketball?
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Post by thumper76 on Dec 15, 2016 12:16:22 GMT -6
The most accurate and fairest way to measure who is the best team is by the Summit League regular season. Unless the non conference season is lopsided in favor of one team or another. I will say it until I am blue in the face, well actually red in the face but in no way should a team that is the #1 seed and conference champion have to play a game where they are at a disadvantage in any way in the conference tourney. That goes for the IPFW men playing every one of their tourney games at a crowd and location disadvantage. That goes for the SDSU women as the lower seed having a two-thirds crowd advantage in the rubber match and most important game of the year. There is NO QUESTION that both SDSU teams have faired much better in Sioux Falls then they would in a different location not within reasonable driving distance of Brookings. Same goes for USD. In no way should they play IPFW in Sioux Falls as a 8 seed vs a 1 seed. Of course money is involved, attendance etc but we are talking about the single most important athletic goal for the non football playing summit teams. We are talking about the auto bid to the NCAA tourney. I hate seeing that be put up to a money things or an interest thing. I believe in general fairness and that is why I think all regular season champs should be the tourney auto big and believe all tourney champs that don't get the auto big should have to meet in a play in tourney in some fashion to play for maybe 4-6 spots in the actual tourney bracket. It keeps the legitimacy of the regular season conference champs and also always the conference tourney to still have a lot of meaning as well. Back to the argument at hand. if I were a player on the Coyote women's team and I heard what Zimmer said about SDSU being the best team in the Summit for years I would take that as not a chip on my shoulder but that would drive me every day and in every game to be as good as I could be especially against the Jacks. It's disrespectful to say that considering that SDSU hasn't even been the best team for the last 2 years. Disrespect is probably the single biggest form of motivation that one can have and if not it is way up there on the list. 1) yeah, and we should probably spot the #1 seed a 10 point advantage before tip off, and make sure they have play dough and coloring books so they feel comfortable, maybe some puppies. Oh and let's just have the tourney in Alaska, because we don't want to give teams that have fans who will actually support their team to cheer too loud and give an unfair advantage. What a joke you are. 2) How do people measure college bball teams, is it conference regular season titles or tournament appearances? It's the latter, I'll help you all out. When talking about another team you always hear "they were a tournament team last year", so yea, SDSU has been the better team. The crybaby argument being used by Yote fans of we should have been in but we lost in the tourney is the same as an SDSU fan crying that we shouldn't have had a lowere seed than NDSU because we won the head to head in conference and got the conference autobid. As to the attendance smack, y'all can try that weak sauce but when we average 150% of the Dumps capacity during the regular season AND you have NEVER HAD A WINNING SEASON SINCE JOINING THE MVFC, maybe keep your yappers quiet on that one for a while. Every year y'all get USeD and abUSeD.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 15, 2016 12:47:55 GMT -6
The most accurate and fairest way to measure who is the best team is by the Summit League regular season. Unless the non conference season is lopsided in favor of one team or another. I will say it until I am blue in the face, well actually red in the face but in no way should a team that is the #1 seed and conference champion have to play a game where they are at a disadvantage in any way in the conference tourney. That goes for the IPFW men playing every one of their tourney games at a crowd and location disadvantage. That goes for the SDSU women as the lower seed having a two-thirds crowd advantage in the rubber match and most important game of the year. There is NO QUESTION that both SDSU teams have faired much better in Sioux Falls then they would in a different location not within reasonable driving distance of Brookings. Same goes for USD. In no way should they play IPFW in Sioux Falls as a 8 seed vs a 1 seed. Of course money is involved, attendance etc but we are talking about the single most important athletic goal for the non football playing summit teams. We are talking about the auto bid to the NCAA tourney. I hate seeing that be put up to a money things or an interest thing. I believe in general fairness and that is why I think all regular season champs should be the tourney auto big and believe all tourney champs that don't get the auto big should have to meet in a play in tourney in some fashion to play for maybe 4-6 spots in the actual tourney bracket. It keeps the legitimacy of the regular season conference champs and also always the conference tourney to still have a lot of meaning as well. Back to the argument at hand. if I were a player on the Coyote women's team and I heard what Zimmer said about SDSU being the best team in the Summit for years I would take that as not a chip on my shoulder but that would drive me every day and in every game to be as good as I could be especially against the Jacks. It's disrespectful to say that considering that SDSU hasn't even been the best team for the last 2 years. Disrespect is probably the single biggest form of motivation that one can have and if not it is way up there on the list. 1) yeah, and we should probably spot the #1 seed a 10 point advantage before tip off, and make sure they have play dough and coloring books so they feel comfortable, maybe some puppies. Oh and let's just have the tourney in Alaska, because we don't want to give teams that have fans who will actually support their team to cheer too loud and give an unfair advantage. What a joke you are. 2) How do people measure college bball teams, is it conference regular season titles or tournament appearances? It's the latter, I'll help you all out. When talking about another team you always hear "they were a tournament team last year", so yea, SDSU has been the better team. The crybaby argument being used by Yote fans of we should have been in but we lost in the tourney is the same as an SDSU fan crying that we shouldn't have had a lowere seed than NDSU because we won the head to head in conference and got the conference autobid. As to the attendance smack, y'all can try that weak sauce but when we average 150% of the Dumps capacity during the regular season AND you have NEVER HAD A WINNING SEASON SINCE JOINING THE MVFC, maybe keep your yappers quiet on that one for a while. Every year y'all get USeD and abUSeD. If our MVFC record is relevant to this topic then I'm going to go ahead and point out that SDSU is a third-rate institution that wouldn't generate any interest if it were placed in about any other state. At least you get all the ag kids unwilling to step outside their comfort zone and can boast a higher enrollment, because that is basically all that separates you from institutions like Northern State or Black Hills State.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 15, 2016 12:53:05 GMT -6
Really? You guys took a simple SDSU smack thread and turned it into a pissing match about girls basketball? Really? You start a State College smack thread and expect it to not careen off in random directions? Especially with the number of Bunny posers posters on here? Besides, until we decide to actually challenge them in football or men's basketball (maybe this year cause they suck) WBB is the main rivalry we have with them. Come to terms with that.
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Post by thumper76 on Dec 15, 2016 12:53:16 GMT -6
If our MVFC record is relevant to this topic then I'm going to go ahead and point out that SDSU is a third-rate institution that wouldn't generate any interest if it were placed in about any other state. At least you get all the ag kids unwilling to step outside their comfort zone and can boast a higher enrollment, because that is basically all that separates you from institutions like Northern State or Black Hills State. Reality is the difference between SDSU and USeD on a national scale is fairly negligible besides the fact that you have different fields of study. But you keep yanking you Willy over that. Gotta love academics smack on an athletics forum. Good show of intelligence that is...
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Post by Yotes on Dec 15, 2016 13:28:16 GMT -6
If our MVFC record is relevant to this topic then I'm going to go ahead and point out that SDSU is a third-rate institution that wouldn't generate any interest if it were placed in about any other state. At least you get all the ag kids unwilling to step outside their comfort zone and can boast a higher enrollment, because that is basically all that separates you from institutions like Northern State or Black Hills State. Reality is the difference between SDSU and USeD on a national scale is fairly negligible besides the fact that you have different fields of study. But you keep yanking you Willy over that. Gotta love academics smack on an athletics forum. Good show of intelligence that is... Fairly negligible? Let me know when the Princeton Review finally decides to take a look at SDSU. You can de-emphasize academics, it's an accepted practice in Brookings, I like to point out how ridiculous it is to take pride in an institution such as SDSU. Recent, meager athletic success is the only thing to take pride in there.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 15, 2016 13:30:16 GMT -6
Really? You guys took a simple SDSU smack thread and turned it into a pissing match about girls basketball? Really? You start a State College smack thread and expect it to not careen off in random directions? Especially with the number of Bunny posers posters on here? Besides, until we decide to actually challenge them in football or men's basketball (maybe this year cause they suck) WBB is the main rivalry we have with them. Come to terms with that. But it isn't smack. There is a full on debate going on here about who has the better WBB team, complete with paragraphs and one of Coyote Fan's manifesto size posts. One liners, short stories, GIFs, pics. That's smack.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 15, 2016 13:47:53 GMT -6
I see there is a cold weather advisory for livestock for Brookings County this weekend. Somebody needs to make sure the SDSU cheerleaders get put into the barn for the evening. Wouldn't want them to freeze.
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Post by thumper76 on Dec 15, 2016 13:51:01 GMT -6
Reality is the difference between SDSU and USeD on a national scale is fairly negligible besides the fact that you have different fields of study. But you keep yanking you Willy over that. Gotta love academics smack on an athletics forum. Good show of intelligence that is... Fairly negligible? Let me know when the Princeton Review finally decides to take a look at SDSU. You can de-emphasize academics, it's an accepted practice in Brookings, I like to point out how ridiculous it is to take pride in an institution such as SDSU. Recent, meager athletic success is the only thing to take pride in there. You're right, I mean they are so apart, there is no way they could ever be ranked similarly. Except for US News. Who has both schools ranked identically. And has the SDSU engineering doctoral program ranked higher nationally than your wildly prestigious medical program. Or how according to Princetonreview.com shows that we have nearly identical rates of acceptance (usd has a whopping 3% lead for selectivity of 89% accepted compared to 92%) and that both schools average student comes in with a 3.37 gpa. What a large gap. More fun: The Princeton Review only ranks off of surveys from students, so I'm not sure how much horn tooting you should be doing about it in the first place? Also, the likely reason for usd being selected is because of the law and medical schools being located there, not because of how wonderful it is compared to SDSU or how elite it is.
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Post by usdtator on Dec 15, 2016 15:35:31 GMT -6
I see there is a cold weather advisory for livestock for Brookings County this weekend. Somebody needs to make sure the SDSU cheerleaders get put into the barn for the evening. Wouldn't want them to freeze. Ha! The bunnies are dumb... Now that is smack talk that most current and former attendees from the school up north can relate to and understand!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 15, 2016 17:24:47 GMT -6
The most accurate and fairest way to measure who is the best team is by the Summit League regular season. Unless the non conference season is lopsided in favor of one team or another. I will say it until I am blue in the face, well actually red in the face but in no way should a team that is the #1 seed and conference champion have to play a game where they are at a disadvantage in any way in the conference tourney. That goes for the IPFW men playing every one of their tourney games at a crowd and location disadvantage. That goes for the SDSU women as the lower seed having a two-thirds crowd advantage in the rubber match and most important game of the year. There is NO QUESTION that both SDSU teams have faired much better in Sioux Falls then they would in a different location not within reasonable driving distance of Brookings. Same goes for USD. In no way should they play IPFW in Sioux Falls as a 8 seed vs a 1 seed. Of course money is involved, attendance etc but we are talking about the single most important athletic goal for the non football playing summit teams. We are talking about the auto bid to the NCAA tourney. I hate seeing that be put up to a money things or an interest thing. I believe in general fairness and that is why I think all regular season champs should be the tourney auto big and believe all tourney champs that don't get the auto big should have to meet in a play in tourney in some fashion to play for maybe 4-6 spots in the actual tourney bracket. It keeps the legitimacy of the regular season conference champs and also always the conference tourney to still have a lot of meaning as well. Back to the argument at hand. if I were a player on the Coyote women's team and I heard what Zimmer said about SDSU being the best team in the Summit for years I would take that as not a chip on my shoulder but that would drive me every day and in every game to be as good as I could be especially against the Jacks. It's disrespectful to say that considering that SDSU hasn't even been the best team for the last 2 years. Disrespect is probably the single biggest form of motivation that one can have and if not it is way up there on the list. 1) yeah, and we should probably spot the #1 seed a 10 point advantage before tip off, and make sure they have play dough and coloring books so they feel comfortable, maybe some puppies. Oh and let's just have the tourney in Alaska, because we don't want to give teams that have fans who will actually support their team to cheer too loud and give an unfair advantage. What a joke you are. 2) How do people measure college bball teams, is it conference regular season titles or tournament appearances? It's the latter, I'll help you all out. When talking about another team you always hear "they were a tournament team last year", so yea, SDSU has been the better team. The crybaby argument being used by Yote fans of we should have been in but we lost in the tourney is the same as an SDSU fan crying that we shouldn't have had a lowere seed than NDSU because we won the head to head in conference and got the conference autobid. As to the attendance smack, y'all can try that weak sauce but when we average 150% of the Dumps capacity during the regular season AND you have NEVER HAD A WINNING SEASON SINCE JOINING THE MVFC, maybe keep your yappers quiet on that one for a while. Every year y'all get USeD and abUSeD. Rabbit (t)HUMPER You obviously share a common trait with many rabbit fans and that is a lack of logic. I am fully aware of the reasons that tourney's are setup and auto births are given as a result. I just don't agree with it from a competitive stand point. You cannot look in a mirror and honestly convince yourself that a single weekend tournament is a better judge of the more deserving team than a regular season champion. That is 18 games vs 3 games. The birth shouldn't be based on how a team may match up with another particular team it should be based on how a team does against all the teams in the conference where half the games played are actual road games. Honestly the Rabbit Women would probably have faired well on a truly neutral sight but I am fairly confident that you could reduce the men's team tourney bids by 2 if they don't have Sioux Falls to fall back on. I am all in favor of a tourney having some significance at the end of the year but don't do it at the expense of the more deserving team. Let the tourney winners have a play in game or two to make it to the real NCAA tourney.
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Post by thumper76 on Dec 15, 2016 17:31:57 GMT -6
Rabbit (t)HUMPER You obviously share a common trait with many rabbit fans and that is a lack of logic. I am fully aware of the reasons that tourney's are setup and auto births are given as a result. I just don't agree with it from a competitive stand point. You cannot look in a mirror and honestly convince yourself that a single weekend tournament is a better judge of the more deserving team than a regular season champion. That is 18 games vs 3 games. The birth shouldn't be based on how a team may match up with another particular team it should be based on how a team does against all the teams in the conference where half the games played are actual road games. Honestly the Rabbit Women would probably have faired well on a truly neutral sight but I am fairly confident that you could reduce the men's team tourney bids by 2 if they don't have Sioux Falls to fall back on. I am all in favor of a tourney having some significance at the end of the year but don't do it at the expense of the more deserving team. Let the tourney winners have a play in game or two to make it to the real NCAA tourney. [/quote]
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 15, 2016 17:41:06 GMT -6
The only number you really even need to reference is 30. What have you done for me lately.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 15, 2016 19:14:52 GMT -6
Fairly negligible? Let me know when the Princeton Review finally decides to take a look at SDSU. You can de-emphasize academics, it's an accepted practice in Brookings, I like to point out how ridiculous it is to take pride in an institution such as SDSU. Recent, meager athletic success is the only thing to take pride in there. You're right, I mean they are so apart, there is no way they could ever be ranked similarly. Except for US News. Who has both schools ranked identically. And has the SDSU engineering doctoral program ranked higher nationally than your wildly prestigious medical program. Or how according to Princetonreview.com shows that we have nearly identical rates of acceptance (usd has a whopping 3% lead for selectivity of 89% accepted compared to 92%) and that both schools average student comes in with a 3.37 gpa. What a large gap. More fun: The Princeton Review only ranks off of surveys from students, so I'm not sure how much horn tooting you should be doing about it in the first place? Also, the likely reason for usd being selected is because of the law and medical schools being located there, not because of how wonderful it is compared to SDSU or how elite it is. I'm on my phone I'm not gonna look at that now, but what kid of ranking has an engineering degree up against a medical degree? I'm not going to argue about admission rates unless it's for advanced degrees - undergrad at a public school should be highly accessible. Good to know SDSU's students don't think highly enough of their school to make a national publication.
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