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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 4, 2017 18:20:04 GMT -6
The problem is attracting professors to teach in the Law School. If you were a Law Professor, which community would atttract you? Sioux Falls or Vermillion? Honest answer. I'd rather live in Vermillion than Sioux Falls. I have lived both places and Vermillion is a better place to live and raise a family. The town is about halfway between Sioux City and Sioux Falls, so entertainment options are readily available. I was in St. Louis last weekend, in St. Peter, MO, I was still 40 miles from St. Louis. I was in Chicago a few weeks back in Carol Stream, Chicago was still a good 35 miles away. I was in the Twin Cities a few weeks ago, from one end of the Cities to the other is over 50 miles, about the distance from Vermillion to Sioux Falls, and that is through heavily congested traffic. You catching my drift here? Major metro areas are huge. I've just always looked at that I live on the I-29 corridor in between two metro areas within an easily commutable distance. Driving I-29 to Sioux Falls is much, much, much and I cannot express how much easier drive than taking 494 from Maple Grove to Bloomington. I would take Sioux Falls over Vermillion 100 out of 100 times to raise a child. Being in a bigger area IMO more readies a person for life in general. There is more diversity and definitely more options in general. For instance in a smaller town if a kid doesn't happen to fit in with a click they may just be out of luck. In bigger schools it gets kids more ready for college and also allows them to find their niche within school a little better. I have a kid that just entered Lincoln High school this year which is the #1 rated high school in the state. It's a good education school, a good art school, tons of extra curricular activities and I believe overall it has one of if not the best athletic departments as well. It just has way more choices for education then a school like Vermillion would have. It's really an individual choice. Some like it small and some like it large.
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Post by yodayote on Oct 4, 2017 18:27:27 GMT -6
Can we PLEASE move this to the "Other USD Talk" Forum.......it has NOTHING to do with football anymore!!!!
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 5, 2017 8:58:59 GMT -6
Thread Merged.
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Post by yotefan on Oct 6, 2017 9:18:37 GMT -6
The USD Law School Task Force is meeting this morning at the law school in Vermillion. The meeting was live-streamed until moving into Executive Session. The consultant brought in to share his firm's results noted that law schools nationwide who have built brand new facilities (i.e. University of Utah, American University, University of Baltimore, etc...) saw no correlation to an increase in the quality and number of their applicant pool. Rather, he cited The University of Florida's law school and the number of certificate programs and student experiences that correlated in a 112% increase in applicants with what I believe he said was a LSAT requirement of 164. This vaulted the school to a ranking of 41st place among all law schools despite having what he described as far worse facilities than those found at USD. It was also noted that the number and quality of law school applicants nationwide had trended downward for everyone, not just USD, but cited a trend line indicative of an explosion in applications nationwide years to come. His recommendation after looking at data nationwide and at USD situation in particular: keep the law school in Vermillion.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 6, 2017 9:32:28 GMT -6
What was the basis for moving into executive session? Can normally go into executive session for only personnel issues or pending litigation.
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Post by yotefan on Oct 6, 2017 9:37:56 GMT -6
Nice catch GY. That was noted by an attendee in audience as well and one of the task force members made a friendly motion to clarify that point. He moved that the discussion be limited to personnel matters and competitiveness issues only and it was unanimously approved.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 6, 2017 10:20:29 GMT -6
If the Task Force voted to move the Law School on the Friday of D-Days this weekend would turn out to be an absolute meltdown. What a huge turd it would be in the punch bowl. There would be a lot of unhappy people visiting campus this weekend. There will be a lot of unhappy locals who have supported USD over the years. It would be a slap in the face to the town. Expect any town & gown relations to go completely down the tubes if this happens.
I am one that believes the only reason to bring a question like this to public study is for one of two reasons: 1. You've already reached your conclusion and you are using a "study" to "support" the decision you have already made. Or 2. You want something. So if the Law School is to stay in Vermillion, well, the threat of losing it has already been made. What is it the University wants from the town?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 6, 2017 11:58:51 GMT -6
This task force is making the best decision for the Law School and the future students attending the law school. If that is Vermillion fine, if that is Sioux Falls that is fine as well. I wish more people would keep an open mind one way or another. People are so stuck in the way things have always been regardless of what the best thing is for the future. Most people were against the move to D1 when all NCC schools were still in D2. How many people now want the University to go back to D2. Not many.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 6, 2017 12:04:24 GMT -6
Except that decision also needs to be balanced against what is good for the University as a whole. What happens to the rest of the school and the local community if you remove one of the anchor schools from the Vermillion location? If you can make that case the Law School should be in SF because of "more opportunity" then the same reasoning can be used for the B-School, the Ed-School, etc. etc. Heck, we could also make the case that the entire SDSU campus should move to Sioux Falls because Sioux Falls offers more opportunity and more resources. Heck, why don't we all move to Sioux Falls because of the opportunities there?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 6, 2017 21:11:44 GMT -6
There are too many people firmly against the move so I wouldn't worry too much about the law school moving. I have a feeling that this study is going to end up being for naught.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 13, 2017 7:44:13 GMT -6
www.argusleader.com/story/news/education/2017/10/12/usd-law-school-doesnt-have-enough-toilets-women-students-say/757245001/So the task force reccommended to keep the Law school in Vermillion, but add some classes in Sioux Falls. Interesting that something the task force "uncovered" was the poor bathroom capacity in the current building (1981), especially for women. There are 7 total stalls in women's bathrooms, and 7 stalls in men's, and 7 urinals in men's. Ideally a complete rebuild would eliminate this issue, and attract more students (as someone mentioned earlier in the thread), but even a more minor remodel would improve the situation. Mark Mickelson was the chair of the task force, and basically shot down the concern as being off-topic. I disagree. The topic is about recruiting students, and this was a concern of the female students (40% of the school).
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 13, 2017 7:51:26 GMT -6
What the discussion should center around is a complete renovation or replacement of the Law School building. It has aged out and has served its purpose. Time for an upgrade. Time to put some resources into the Law School in Vermillion. This comment is on-point with regard to the task force's findings IMO.
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