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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 16, 2017 16:56:31 GMT -6
There was an Indiana State Sycamore fan that created poll's on various web sites that polled fans on their preference to remain in their conference or move to the MVC in all sports. The SDSU board and NDSU board were examples of schools fans that were polled. NDSU fans were strongly in favor of taking the MVC option. The Jacks fans were in favor of staying in the Summit and mainly because of their advantage at the Summit League Tournament. As a fan of USD what is your opinion.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Aug 16, 2017 17:03:28 GMT -6
I just want to stay with the 4 Dakota schools because it makes it a lot more fun to watch and attend games. I didn't like the Great West years because it's harder to get amped if its against some team from somewhere I'll never visit and know none of their fans personally. It's nice having the SLT in state which makes it nice. I'm for staying in the Summit, but would like to see it get more stable.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 16, 2017 17:31:14 GMT -6
Summit isn't built to last. A conference tournament in our backyard is cool, but that's where the perks of the league end. Now that the 4 Dakotas are reunited I'd like to see a lockstep movement to the East or West.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 16, 2017 19:16:35 GMT -6
The thing that I am really getting tired of is basketball conferences that are less then 10 teams. It really makes the schedule not so desirable. If the Summit is able to pull off 3 reputable schools (assuming IPFW) leaves I would be ok with staying but based on what we know today I definitely vote MVC without looking back.
The ultimate choice would be a big sky merger or a MVFC all sports league.
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Post by gopheryote on Aug 17, 2017 5:57:01 GMT -6
I don't think the poll question is worded right. "Missouri Valley is too big of an upgrade" indicates if you vote no it is because you don't think USD could make some giant step to MVC.
As noted by others, I think if the Dakota schools stick together, the conference won't matter much. It's not like the B1G is calling.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 17, 2017 9:22:21 GMT -6
Since there are only two choices, as it stands today, if invited, we take the offer to the MVC. Turning it down would be an irresponsible thing for the administration to do.
I would prefer the administration pursue a third option though, and that is an all sports MVFC conference (very unlikely to happen) or a Summit that sponsors football that pulls teams from the west like the Montanas, Idaho, EWU (which is a more plausible scenario, though still very difficult).
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Post by yotebewithyou on Aug 17, 2017 10:42:13 GMT -6
Since there are only two choices, as it stands today, if invited, we take the offer to the MVC. Turning it down would be an irresponsible thing for the administration to do. I would prefer the administration pursue a third option though, and that is an all sports MVFC conference (very unlikely to happen) or a Summit that sponsors football that pulls teams from the west like the Montanas, Idaho, EWU (which is a more plausible scenario, though still very difficult). I say no unless the other 3 Dakota schools are coming |
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 17, 2017 12:45:24 GMT -6
Since there are only two choices, as it stands today, if invited, we take the offer to the MVC. Turning it down would be an irresponsible thing for the administration to do. I would prefer the administration pursue a third option though, and that is an all sports MVFC conference (very unlikely to happen) or a Summit that sponsors football that pulls teams from the west like the Montanas, Idaho, EWU (which is a more plausible scenario, though still very difficult). I say no unless the other 3 Dakota schools are coming Agree. I think a lot of Coyote fans would agree that the higher priority now is keeping the Dakota 4 together. If we can do that and upgrade conferences, great. I think there is a reason that the MVC poster proposed this to both XDSU schools and not USD, though. The chances are far greater that any kind of move will split the XDSU's from the UXD's. Not a great option. NDSU: "We need to find a way into FBS at all costs. NDSU is on another level than the Summit. We don't really care much for the SLT in SF." SDSU: "We need to stay with NDSU since we are both on another level than the Summit. We won't admit that the SLT benefits us more in getting to the dance, but we need to keep it in SF at all costs!"  USD: "being in the Great West sucked big time. We are getting better and will soon enjoy beating the XDSU's on a regular basis to knock their egos back down to earth. We need to keep the D4 together at all costs!" UND: "Seriously? We just joined!!!!" |
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 17, 2017 15:50:43 GMT -6
You think SDSU is going anywhere without USD and you are dreaming. Not after we gave up the Big Sky for them in order to stabilize the Summit. Who bailed who out those years ago? Yeah, exactly.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 17, 2017 17:57:27 GMT -6
Just to clarify how I wrote the poll. When I said that the MVC is too big of an upgrade I meant that as a way to make it seem like an easy decision considering that the Coyotes would upgrade in stature and competition. I didn't mean it as that the Coyotes could not make the upgrade. If the Coyotes went it would likely include at least SDSU coming with if not the North Dakota's as well.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 17, 2017 18:09:26 GMT -6
You think SDSU is going anywhere without USD and you are dreaming. Not after we gave up the Big Sky for them in order to stabilize the Summit. Who bailed who out those years ago? Yeah, exactly. I actually disagree. Many SDSU people look down on USD and from a competitive stand point there hasn't been much of a question that SDSU has dominated the sports that matter. Just this last sports season our men's basketball team finally got to an even level or above. The women have caught up but many people in this state still view SDSU as the dominant program. Part of that was because of the constant question being asked during the WNIT run, "would you have rather gone to the NCAA tourney". It's a way of slamming the Coyotes accomplishment. There are many people that support SDSU that wish USD wouldn't exist and most of those people would support leaving a conference that included USD in a heartbeat if it was considered an upgrade for SDSU. The perception is that SDSU is always trying to one up USD and also that USD just wants to try to keep up with SDSU. SDSU fans consider themselves above USD. Considering the results on the field and court they kind of have a point. The men's semi-final at the summit tourney just goes to show that even as underdogs for the first time they still prevailed. It was almost as if it was meant to be. Almost everyone at USD wants to hitch their wagon to SDSU. That isn't a feeling that is necessarily mutual. That is one of the big reasons I would love USD to start up hockey and get businesses in Sioux Falls to go in with it and support it. That is the one way that USD could make a mark for itself without SDSU being a part of it. USD has always kind of been a follower when it comes to decisions regarding their future and conference membership. I wish USD would be a leader more often. I am not saying SDSU is looking to run away but they are going to do what is best for SDSU. I think it might actually be more likely that the state of south dakota would step in and prevent SDSU leaving USD conference then for SDSU to prevent it themselves. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 18, 2017 7:45:37 GMT -6
Politics CF, politics. You forget about all the powerful people in the state that control the purse strings that are USD grads or have USD ties. SDSU isn't taking off for anywhere without feeling the pain, especially after USD came back to the Summit to save their butts. In that moment right there USD had an opportunity to be a leader and forge our own path, instead we got sucked back in with SDSU.
If we went to the BSC, right now we wouldn't be talking about USD's conference uncertainty or worrying about the future. In fact, we would be in such a rock solid position that SDSU and NDSU would probably be knocking on the door to get in the conference if they hadn't already and UND would have never left the conference.
I was on record way back when that the BSC was the conference choice we should have made and I maintain that stance today, given everything that has gone on. The MVFC has been great, it's the best conference in FCS. Playing against the other Dakota schools has been great. The SLT in Sioux Falls has been great. But none of it means anything if the Summit erodes underneath our feet, the conference goes to junk, and we end up in some Great West type of situation again or a conference so small that we can't schedule crap for MBB and are always under threat of going extinct. Right now, I'd trade stability over all those good things the Summit brings, that and USD football would have been much more successful in the BSC over these last few years.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 18, 2017 15:17:10 GMT -6
Politics CF, politics. You forget about all the powerful people in the state that control the purse strings that are USD grads or have USD ties. SDSU isn't taking off for anywhere without feeling the pain, especially after USD came back to the Summit to save their butts. In that moment right there USD had an opportunity to be a leader and forge our own path, instead we got sucked back in with SDSU. If we went to the BSC, right now we wouldn't be talking about USD's conference uncertainty or worrying about the future. In fact, we would be in such a rock solid position that SDSU and NDSU would probably be knocking on the door to get in the conference if they hadn't already and UND would have never left the conference. I was on record way back when that the BSC was the conference choice we should have made and I maintain that stance today, given everything that has gone on. The MVFC has been great, it's the best conference in FCS. Playing against the other Dakota schools has been great. The SLT in Sioux Falls has been great. But none of it means anything if the Summit erodes underneath our feet, the conference goes to junk, and we end up in some Great West type of situation again or a conference so small that we can't schedule crap for MBB and are always under threat of going extinct. Right now, I'd trade stability over all those good things the Summit brings, that and USD football would have been much more successful in the BSC over these last few years. Everything in this post is spot on. |
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Post by gorabbits on Sept 24, 2017 10:27:01 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 24, 2017 11:56:55 GMT -6
If that is the case I guess improving the league is way back on the list of priorities for the conference. This is what I figured would happen so no surprise. |
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