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Post by usdcoyote on Dec 5, 2017 21:12:39 GMT -6
State led #6 Wichita by 13 in the second half. They led most of the way but Wichita took over the last 5 minutes and won by 10. That was pretty much their biggest lead all game. State looked really good. I know I said it before but they are clearly better than they were last year. Good news is I think we are better than last year as well.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 6, 2017 9:58:33 GMT -6
no question they are better. getting to the big dance will probably require beating them in Sioux falls which will be a tough task.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 9, 2017 6:54:26 GMT -6
ORU lost to NAIA Southern Nazarene 68-60.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 9, 2017 8:08:54 GMT -6
ORU lost to NAIA Southern Nazarene 68-60. They know they've already qualified for Sioux Falls, saving their efforts for then.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 9, 2017 18:08:13 GMT -6
Lets face it this conference is a 2 team race between the Jacks and Coyotes. No other teams is having even close to the non conference season as the top two right now. NDSU is always scrappy but I don't know if they can keep up with the SD schools right now. ORU is on a flume ride down a steep hill and the bottom doesn't seem very near.
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Post by aldewitt on Dec 10, 2017 14:22:07 GMT -6
NDSU beat UND last night 79-72.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 10, 2017 18:35:24 GMT -6
Drake beat UNO 93-74. UNO had defeated Drake 75-73 in Omaha a couple weeks ago for their only win thus far.
Oral Roberts beat Missouri State 73-66. Missouri State holds wins over NDSU, SDSU, and Colorado State...Oral Roberts lost to an NAIA school two days ago. Incredible.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 10, 2017 18:41:20 GMT -6
Drake beat UNO 93-74. UNO had defeated Drake 75-73 in Omaha a couple weeks ago for their only win thus far. Oral Roberts beat Missouri State 73-66. Missouri State holds wins over NDSU, SDSU, and Colorado State...Oral Roberts lost to an NAIA school two days ago. Incredible. Ya got me...
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 10, 2017 19:50:59 GMT -6
Drake beat UNO 93-74. UNO had defeated Drake 75-73 in Omaha a couple weeks ago for their only win thus far. Oral Roberts beat Missouri State 73-66. Missouri State holds wins over NDSU, SDSU, and Colorado State...Oral Roberts lost to an NAIA school two days ago. Incredible. There will in all likelihood be some real head scratchers in conference play this season but in the long run none of it matters. It all boils down to three games in March. One poor shooting night or one turned ankle and a season might be over. Hate to be a downer but face it, The Summit isn't getting any at large berth any time soon because basically the committee will look for any excuse to get a P5 team in and, on the other side of the coin, any excuse to keep a mid major out. At least that's reality the way I see it. Solution: just win in March.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 11, 2017 8:07:15 GMT -6
I will continue to disagree that the only thing that matters is the SLT. I understand why some people will think that - and for them, the decision of a good season or a bad season can simply be answered by 'did we win the SLT?'
I am not one of those people.
I like the non-conference, as it shows where the team stacks up nationally. I like the conference, as it shows were the team stacks up against true peers. And I like the tourneys because they are fun (but do very little to decide 'who is better').
Please do not try to diminish the regular season for the people who enjoy the BB season (which would include all of us at the games this week).
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 11, 2017 8:37:52 GMT -6
I'm 100% with you gopheryote and I'll tell you why. I don't care what team you are in the Summit, it's highly unlikely you are ever going to win the NCAA tournament, nor make a deep run. That's not a slam to our program, or SDSU's or NDSU, it's just a fact. When you win the league in "long haul" of a season that truly has to be a grind, that says for the 75 days it took to prove your mettle, you were the best.
The SLT is also fun because it is the one tournament held in that time of the year that you can win. That makes it fun, or disheartening, depending upon whom you are cheering for. If we happen to win the tournament then get a rematch with Duke only to lose by 16 again, awesome. Maybe, depending upon if the regular season champ wins the tournament also, you go in as a 12 seed or so, and knock off a team like Minnesota or Butler. That's great. But after the first weekend is over, no one will remember. Case in point, SDSU knocked us out last year and got pounded by Gonzaga. That's didn't diminish their tournament championship one bit. However, the trophy for the regular season title is in Vermillion. Playing Iowa in the NIT wasn't as sexy granted, but we sure as hell had a great chance to win that game. Maybe two, outside chance at 3. To me, that's the fun of it. Being one time a D2 program now paying the likes of Duke and UCLA in regular conference games is awesome.
I think the situation that makes my point possibly the best is the lady Coyotes WNIT run 2 years ago. 7000 people + packed the Dome and watched us win what many would have thought to be the impossible. Yes it would be fun to win the SLT once and go to the dance, I get it, but if I was honest I'd tell you I would rather win the SLT and turn down the NCAA if I knew ( which you never would ) that we could win 5 games in the NIT and win the title beating a team like Iowa State or Stanford on the finals. Win a first round game against Wyoming, then Southern Illinois, next Brigham Young, win the similar final round against Oklahoma State then the final. To me, a tournament run like that would do more to create excitement and fun then a one and done in the dance. Remember I said I'd rather win the SLT then win the NIT which can't happen.
Last thought on this is I do wish there was a tournament for all the leagues below the Power leagues in basketball. Much like FCS football. Then win the SLT and win that tournament.
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 11, 2017 8:54:25 GMT -6
I will continue to disagree that the only thing that matters is the SLT. I understand why some people will think that - and for them, the decision of a good season or a bad season can simply be answered by 'did we win the SLT?' I am not one of those people. I like the non-conference, as it shows where the team stacks up nationally. I like the conference, as it shows were the team stacks up against true peers. And I like the tourneys because they are fun (but do very little to decide 'who is better'). Please do not try to diminish the regular season for the people who enjoy the BB season (which would include all of us at the games this week). I enjoy the basketball season immensely and haven't missed a single home game, men or women, since the new arena has been opened. Granted less than two seasons, but the streak extends several years beyond that. Doesn't make me a bigger or better fan than anyone else and contributes nothing to the narrative of "did we have a good season or not". I'm not trying to diminish the regular season in any way, but the fact remains: if a goal is to make the NCAA's, the only way is to win three games in March. It's simply the frosting on the cake. P5 schools don't have that worry. And, yes, I'd trade a (W)NIT championship for a NCAA berth any day, but where is the point of diminishing returns?
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Post by usdcoyote on Dec 11, 2017 9:16:12 GMT -6
Drake beat UNO 93-74. UNO had defeated Drake 75-73 in Omaha a couple weeks ago for their only win thus far. Oral Roberts beat Missouri State 73-66. Missouri State holds wins over NDSU, SDSU, and Colorado State...Oral Roberts lost to an NAIA school two days ago. Incredible. There will in all likelihood be some real head scratchers in conference play this season but in the long run none of it matters. It all boils down to three games in March. One poor shooting night or one turned ankle and a season might be over. Hate to be a downer but face it, The Summit isn't getting any at large berth any time soon because basically the committee will look for any excuse to get a P5 team in and, on the other side of the coin, any excuse to keep a mid major out. At least that's reality the way I see it. Solution: just win in March. I really wanted to argue hard against this, because I really enjoy the regular season and get really pissed off when we lose a game. In all reality it probably does not matter that much (for the non conference) for the reasons you stated. It's not like we are getting an at large bid. I still think the conference season matters. For one, the better you do in conference, the better path you create for yourself in the SLT. Also, it's nice to be able to call yourself conference champs. Obviously the true test of who is the best team in the conference is who is the regular season champs that is decided over the course of the season. Also, it guarantees yourself at least an NIT bid.
While the non conference is not as important, I still think there is some importance to it. If you are to win the SLT your overall body of work is going to determine the seed you get. State obviously had a shitty regular season last year and got the 16 seed. However, we have had conference champions get a 12 seed before which gives you a much better chance at winning a game or two. So for that reason the non conference is still important, and that game against Northern Colorado is going to continue to piss me off for the rest of the year. If we win the SLT I don't want a 14-16 seed, and if we go to the NIT I don't want an 8 seed.
On a side note, I really wish we could get some more home and homes with MVC teams. Even if we had to do 2 for 1's with teams like Northern Iowa that would be nice. I have to imagine we have tried to get those games.
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Post by JWKunzman on Dec 11, 2017 11:27:27 GMT -6
There will in all likelihood be some real head scratchers in conference play this season but in the long run none of it matters. It all boils down to three games in March. One poor shooting night or one turned ankle and a season might be over. Hate to be a downer but face it, The Summit isn't getting any at large berth any time soon because basically the committee will look for any excuse to get a P5 team in and, on the other side of the coin, any excuse to keep a mid major out. At least that's reality the way I see it. Solution: just win in March. I really wanted to argue hard against this, because I really enjoy the regular season and get really pissed off when we lose a game. In all reality it probably does not matter that much (for the non conference) for the reasons you stated. It's not like we are getting an at large bid. I still think the conference season matters. For one, the better you do in conference, the better path you create for yourself in the SLT. Also, it's nice to be able to call yourself conference champs. Obviously the true test of who is the best team in the conference is who is the regular season champs that is decided over the course of the season. Also, it guarantees yourself at least an NIT bid.
While the non conference is not as important, I still think there is some importance to it. If you are to win the SLT your overall body of work is going to determine the seed you get. State obviously had a shitty regular season last year and got the 16 seed. However, we have had conference champions get a 12 seed before which gives you a much better chance at winning a game or two. So for that reason the non conference is still important, and that game against Northern Colorado is going to continue to piss me off for the rest of the year. If we win the SLT I don't want a 14-16 seed, and if we go to the NIT I don't want an 8 seed.
On a side note, I really wish we could get some more home and homes with MVC teams. Even if we had to do 2 for 1's with teams like Northern Iowa that would be nice. I have to imagine we have tried to get those games.
Coach Smith at Lunch with the U said Northern Iowa won't come play us. Not sure if he was just using them as an example while talking about the MVC teams in general don't want to come play us, but I would assume you're right and we've tried. Makes perfect sense to play UNI in non-conference games.
As much as I would love a SLT title (especially if we beat state in the finals) and NCAA berth, the regular season title means more to me because of the grind it takes to win it. I'd rather have a good USD team make a deep run in the NIT than go play Duke or Kansas first round of NCAAs and lose. Nice to have for exposure to the program though.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 11, 2017 13:05:10 GMT -6
I absolutely believe in competitive fairness in college athletics. I hate when money gets put on a higher pedestal which it unfortunately does. I just really have a problem with a school like IPFW as a #1 seed in the men's tourney having to play road games in every way to get to the NCAA tourney. That just seems wrong in every way. Getting to the big dance in men's college basketball is their number one goal of their athletic department and because of having the tourney in Sioux Falls that goal is extremely more difficult. I don't even want to hear about fan interest and money because if fan interest and money drives everything than why not have NDSU be at home for every conference football game and why not have SDSU be at home for every conference basketball game. IMO to have a good conference all members need to feel valued and until that happens I don't think the Summit is a good conference. It might not show up in the headlines but I am sure one of the big reasons that IUPUI left the Summit was because of the tourney being in Sioux Falls. That also might hinder the league trying to recruit good members. They don't want to have to come to Sioux Falls either.
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