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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 12, 2018 11:38:09 GMT -6
I'd have that RPI blown up on a poster board in the locker room every day and be hammering the lack of respect card hard. Nobody thinks you're even half the team the Jacks are. Every day. Yote women aren't half as good, just look at their conference record and head to head record.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Feb 12, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -6
Like I said.
Every day. Shutting me up about how they're just the Jacks' little sister would be on their mind every, single day.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 12, 2018 12:47:53 GMT -6
I'd have that RPI blown up on a poster board in the locker room every day and be hammering the lack of respect card hard. Nobody thinks you're even half the team the Jacks are. Every day. Well said. Teams that feel like they aren't respected will play with a chip on their shoulder. Even if a team is respected it never hurts to find reasons why they think they are not respected just because it keeps the motivation level high. A team that feels like they have something to prove is possibly the biggest motivator.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 15, 2018 14:50:19 GMT -6
rankings as of Feb 15 (after win @ Omaha):
Massey 40 SDSU 54 USD 86 WIU
156 ORU 183 Denver
254 Omaha 294 NDSU 336 Ft Wayne
RPI 38 SDSU 69 USD 104 WIU
178 Denver 191 ORU 239 Omaha 285 NDSU 324 Ft. Wayne
We moved up slightly in both ratings.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 19, 2018 8:25:51 GMT -6
rankings as of Feb 19 (after win vs ORU)
Massey 37 SDSU 55 USD 92 WIU
166 Denver^ 169 ORU
261 Omaha 290 NDSU 336 Ft Wayne
RPI 32 SDSU 67 USD 109 WIU
171 Denver 187 ORU
240 Omaha 276 NDSU 331 Ft. Wayne
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 22, 2018 9:48:39 GMT -6
rankings as of Feb 22 (after win vs SDSU) final regular-season game
Massey 39 SDSU 53 USD 96 WIU
166 ORU 167 Denver
266 Omaha 293 NDSU 337 Ft Wayne
RPI 32 SDSU 57 USD^(jumped 10 points)
113 WIU
172 Denver 181 ORU
241 Omaha 278 NDSU 330 Ft. Wayne
...And just like that, the RPI gets a major correction. Surprisingly, the Jacks' rank did not move at all. Weird. The chances of an at large for the Summit is still there, but this loss probably hurts them in the committee's eyes anyway. Losing three times to us would probably rule them out regardless of RPI.
#57 likely still isn't high enough for an at-large, and our first two opponents in the Tournament won't help us at all. It's tournament title or bust for the big dance.
Whichever team from SD goes to the WNIT will be poised for a deep run again, I think. Not sure why State didn't accomplish that last year, though. The team that goes to the big dance should be seeded #11-13, which would be favorable for an upset win.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 22, 2018 12:05:26 GMT -6
rankings as of Feb 22 (after win vs SDSU) final regular-season game Massey39 SDSU 53 USD96 WIU 166 ORU 167 Denver 266 Omaha 293 NDSU 337 Ft Wayne RPI32 SDSU 57 USD^(jumped 10 points)113 WIU 172 Denver 181 ORU 241 Omaha 278 NDSU 330 Ft. Wayne ...And just like that, the RPI gets a major correction. Surprisingly, the Jacks' rank did not move at all. Weird. The chances of an at large for the Summit is still there, but this loss probably hurts them in the committee's eyes anyway. Losing three times to us would probably rule them out regardless of RPI. #57 likely still isn't high enough for an at-large, and our first two opponents in the Tournament won't help us at all. It's tournament title or bust for the big dance. Whichever team from SD goes to the WNIT will be poised for a deep run again, I think. Not sure why State didn't accomplish that last year, though. The team that goes to the big dance should be seeded #11-13, which would be favorable for an upset win. I guess I just don't understand RPI at all. The Yotes have better record, have beaten SDSU twice and yet are 22 spots behind? How does that make sense?
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Post by obc on Feb 22, 2018 12:22:21 GMT -6
rankings as of Feb 22 (after win vs SDSU) final regular-season game Massey39 SDSU 53 USD96 WIU 166 ORU 167 Denver 266 Omaha 293 NDSU 337 Ft Wayne RPI32 SDSU 57 USD^(jumped 10 points)113 WIU 172 Denver 181 ORU 241 Omaha 278 NDSU 330 Ft. Wayne ...And just like that, the RPI gets a major correction. Surprisingly, the Jacks' rank did not move at all. Weird. The chances of an at large for the Summit is still there, but this loss probably hurts them in the committee's eyes anyway. Losing three times to us would probably rule them out regardless of RPI. #57 likely still isn't high enough for an at-large, and our first two opponents in the Tournament won't help us at all. It's tournament title or bust for the big dance. Whichever team from SD goes to the WNIT will be poised for a deep run again, I think. Not sure why State didn't accomplish that last year, though. The team that goes to the big dance should be seeded #11-13, which would be favorable for an upset win. I guess I just don't understand RPI at all. The Yotes have better record, have beaten SDSU twice and yet are 22 spots behind? How does that make sense? Apparently USD needed to play and lose to higher ranked teams. Head to head and conference results should tell the story IMO. USD has been better than SDSU in aggregate during this conference season and the conference seasons the past few years. SDSU has been better in the SL tournament. SDSU most likely feels like they can beat USD. USD knows that they can beat SDSU because they have already done so twice this year - in two different ways. This third match-up will be an opportunity to leave no doubt in anyone’s mind that the USD women are just a better team this year. SDSU is a very good team with some all-Star caliber players and a very accomplished coach. I just think USD is more focused, hungry, and confident. My opinion is the constant barrage of plaudits and ass-kissing by the media has had an effect on both programs. We will be treated to another epic battle soon. Get there if you can in person. They deserve our support.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 22, 2018 12:32:26 GMT -6
rankings as of Feb 22 (after win vs SDSU) final regular-season game Massey39 SDSU 53 USD96 WIU 166 ORU 167 Denver 266 Omaha 293 NDSU 337 Ft Wayne RPI32 SDSU 57 USD^(jumped 10 points)113 WIU 172 Denver 181 ORU 241 Omaha 278 NDSU 330 Ft. Wayne ...And just like that, the RPI gets a major correction. Surprisingly, the Jacks' rank did not move at all. Weird. The chances of an at large for the Summit is still there, but this loss probably hurts them in the committee's eyes anyway. Losing three times to us would probably rule them out regardless of RPI. #57 likely still isn't high enough for an at-large, and our first two opponents in the Tournament won't help us at all. It's tournament title or bust for the big dance. Whichever team from SD goes to the WNIT will be poised for a deep run again, I think. Not sure why State didn't accomplish that last year, though. The team that goes to the big dance should be seeded #11-13, which would be favorable for an upset win. I guess I just don't understand RPI at all. The Yotes have better record, have beaten SDSU twice and yet are 22 spots behind? How does that make sense? RPI= 25% record 50% opponent's record 25% opponent's opponent's record So Strength of Schedule is essentially 75% of the formula. It's a very simple formula, and not good at predicting the outcome of games. The Jacks always try to schedule as many very-high-RPI teams as possible in the non-conference in order to boost RPI. It is a strategy that many mid-majors employ to manipulate the RPI. Most of the Summit League tries to do this, to some extent, but the Jacks schedule is always the toughest. I think it has something to do with the power teams' lack of willingness to schedule very low RPI teams. They want teams they can beat that also won't tank their own RPI. It's a calculated risk thing. I think the Yotes should be able to schedule tougher as their reputation grows nationally, too.
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Post by formeryote on Feb 22, 2018 13:19:23 GMT -6
Good explanation of RPI rankings because all this time I thought the Agrus Leader sports writers were computing the RPI.
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Post by yotefan90 on Feb 22, 2018 13:29:43 GMT -6
Don't forget that State not only schedules those tougher games but wins some as well. That will have the largest bearing on their higher RPI.
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Post by obc on Feb 22, 2018 13:47:12 GMT -6
Don't forget that State not only schedules those tougher games but wins some as well. That will have the largest bearing on their higher RPI. They beat Oklahoma this year (OU is 15-12 overall and 10-6 in conference), at home but also lost to USD twice and Creighton ( a team USD beat). Flawed system.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 22, 2018 14:30:20 GMT -6
All good points and thanks kiyoat for the breakdown, but bottom line: beat State twice and 22! spots behind? Just doesn't compute. Maybe slightly ahead because of strength of schedule, but not that far. That's what gets me.
Quick question too if anyone remembers: Were the loses to Tulsa and SFA when Duffy was out and wasn't Trimboli hurt at the same time?
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 22, 2018 14:52:45 GMT -6
They both played against Tulsa but Duffy was injured vs SFA.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2018 15:23:38 GMT -6
No computer will ever get it completely right, but the RPI is massively flawed.
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