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Post by JWKunzman on Dec 19, 2017 8:18:54 GMT -6
12/19/17 kenpom.com rankings
USD 94 sdsu 111 Ft Wayne 160 NDSU 171 ORU 219 Denver 251 Western 252 Omaha 278
The Coyotes take on the UCLA Bruins tonight who came in at 54. Indiana, who got beat by 20 by Ft Wayne last night, comes in one spot behind the Yotes at 95
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 19, 2017 20:30:16 GMT -6
The SDSU ranking seemed to low, but as it turns out, there are only 6-5 against D1 teams. They have a good win against Buffalo, but their only other win against a sub-200 team was #189 (Ole Miss). So, the rankings make sense, and don't need my approval it seems.
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Post by JWKunzman on Dec 20, 2017 8:50:03 GMT -6
After last night's game kenpom moved the Yotes up five spots to 89 and dropped the Bruins one to 55
gopheryote the jacks did beat Iowa who is currently sitting at 74 and Ole Miss is at 83. At least those are where they are on kenpom today. jacks are 106
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 21, 2017 7:15:46 GMT -6
I used realtimerpi when I looked it up. There seem to be a larger than normal difference between the various sites/methods. Should we adopt on as our go-to metric? Anyone have one they like?
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Dec 21, 2017 7:34:29 GMT -6
Most of them are pretty volatile early on in the season.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 21, 2017 7:54:46 GMT -6
I've always used realtimerpi. I can't say it's super accurate or anything, it's just always been my go to.
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Post by JWKunzman on Dec 21, 2017 8:28:53 GMT -6
I've always used kenpom as my go to because it's been noted as being one of the more accurate at predicting game outcomes and tournament selection. Interesting to see other rankings though.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 21, 2017 12:18:06 GMT -6
I've always used kenpom as my go to because it's been noted as being one of the more accurate at predicting game outcomes and tournament selection. Interesting to see other rankings though. I agree with this. Kenpom has proven to be one of, if not the best. Sagarin and Massey are well-respected as well. I use them mainly because I can access both the men and women. Any RPI, be it the "official NCAA" one or another site is just not as accurate as a prediction of actual team strength because the formula is very simple. It only looks at wins/losses and strength of schedule. It isn't what I would consider "advanced metrics" or a predictive tool. The only reason it is still used is because the NCAA and the general public are used to using it. It has become the "traditional" ranking. It is still good to look at, especially if you are a bubble team, because the NCAA still uses it. In recent years the selection committee has claimed to have been using other rankings systems too, but the at-large selections have not backed that assertion up.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 21, 2017 12:28:38 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 3, 2018 16:30:57 GMT -6
Jan 3 update (after Denver):
Sagarin 89 USD 93 SDSU 132 NDSU^^ 169 Ft Wayne^^ 215 ORU 251 Denver 255 Omaha 273 WIU\/\/
Massey 80 USD 90 SDSU 129 NDSU^^ 168 Ft Wayne^^ 207 ORU ^^ 235 WIU\/\/ 265 Omaha^ 268 Denver
vs. RPI... 78 SDSU 91 USD 93 NDSU
166 ORU^ 171 Ft Wayne^ 234 WIU\/\/\/ 237 Omaha^^ 306 Denver
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Post by JWKunzman on Jan 4, 2018 9:32:21 GMT -6
1/4/18 kenpom rankings:
USD 83 sdsu 85 NDSU 147 Ft Wayne 157 ORU 210 Denver 257 Western 260 Omaha 271
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 8, 2018 9:06:25 GMT -6
Jan 8 update (after loss to NDSU):
Sagarin 86 SDSU 101 USD 130 NDSU 164 Ft Wayne 194 ORU^
254 Omaha 260 Denver 270 WIU
Massey 69 SDSU^ 99 USD\/ 123 NDSU 168 Ft Wayne 188 ORU ^
245 WIU 264 Omaha 277 Denver
RPI 63 SDSU 100 NDSU 116 USD\/
161 ORU 178 Ft Wayne 229 Omaha 244 WIU
310 Denver
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 12, 2018 15:20:46 GMT -6
Jan 12 update (after win @ FW):
Sagarin 65 SDSU^ 79 USD^
148 NDSU 182 ORU 184 Ft Wayne\/ 227 Omaha^ 274 WIU 275 Denver
Massey 67 SDSU 88 USD
156 NDSU\/ 174 Ft Wayne 191 ORU 243 Omaha^ 253 Denver ^ 269 WIU \/
RPI 65 SDSU 110 USD 135 NDSU\/ 172 ORU 182 Ft Wayne 208 Omaha^
278 WIU\/ 283 Denver ^
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 19, 2018 8:54:06 GMT -6
Jan 19 update (after win vs. ORU):
Sagarin 66 SDSU 78 USD 155 NDSU 190 Ft Wayne 192 ORU 233 Omaha 274 WIU 286 Denver
Massey 66 SDSU 83 USD 165 NDSU 186 Ft Wayne 200 ORU 244 Omaha 252 WIU 259 Denver
RPI 61 SDSU 115 USD 156 NDSU \/ 184 ORU 203 Ft Wayne\/ 222 Omaha 262 WIU 269 Denver
Still no respect in the RPI. That should change when we beat State in the SCSC next week.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 19, 2018 9:01:10 GMT -6
I like the KenPom rankings a lot better... (Jan 19)
80 SDSU 81 USD 159 NDSU 175 Ft Wayne 193 ORU 240 Omaha 267 Denver 275 WIU
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