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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 13, 2017 9:55:25 GMT -6
I am still waiting on an example.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 13, 2017 10:21:29 GMT -6
I am still waiting on an example. I'm not going to waste my time going through the entire board looking for your many, many, many, wrong attendance guesses, estimations, and assumptions. You post them all over the board. I might give you a tiny bit of credence if there were any corroboration or agreement from other posters that had attended the same events. Instead the reverse is true. Here is a recent example from the Drake men's BB game (2101 official attendance): Coyote Fan: "...I am fairly certain that the actual butts in the seats was closer to 7 or 800 than to 2000 plus...." gasser86: "...there were at least 1500 people there. To say that we had three times fewer than the ‘official’ attendance is ludacris...."
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Post by Yotes on Dec 13, 2017 10:27:18 GMT -6
Engaging CF is a waste of time and derails so many discussions. What was this topic supposed to be about again?
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 13, 2017 10:34:24 GMT -6
And BTW, the only reason I bother to argue with you on this is one simple fact: It hurts the program. Perception is reality. For people that read this board and don't attend the game that is being discussed, they generally believe what people post.
When you consistently paint a picture that is exaggerated and skewed toward the negative, it negatively affects some people's views of Coyote sports. As a fan that claims to love Coyote athletics, and frequently posts in this forum, you should understand the impact that you have, and wield it for the good.
I'm not advocating false positive propaganda. Facts are facts, and attendance is an issue that needs addressed. Exaggerations towards the negative does much more harm than good IMHO.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 13, 2017 10:40:10 GMT -6
Thinking back USD has definitely eliminated many of the side gigs with basketball games. Good halftime shows, inflatables, hot tubs, blimps, etc. I am sure cost has much to do with it but there were a handful of ideas that people seemed to like that no longer exist. One thing has been proven and that is a brand spanking new shiny arena and winning basketball teams seem to do little to nothing to excite the fan base. I really don't know what else USD can do. They have done their job now with the facility and the quality winnning basketball. No more excuses as the onus is now on the fans to do their part which they are not doing in good numbers. With the product, the arena and the winning I cannot believe that the Yotes cannot even average 1500 per game. There is really no reason at all that the average isn't well above 2,000 and for the better game there should be 3 or 4K every time. People are so into the major teams like Minnesota, Iowa or whatever but these Coyotes are pretty much as good as both of them, people just need to realize it. The answer is to make the NCAA Tourney a couple of times and maybe even win a game or two. If you go down to Sioux City and talk CBB, most people in Iowa will talk about UNI and Creighton in the same breath as Iowa, ISU, and Nebraska. They don't talk about USD basketball as being on the same level. Heck, most people don't even realize that USD is a D1 school, or if they do it is a low D1 school. Making the NCAA Tourney validates your existence as D1 CBB program. If USD can go on some sustained success at making the Tourney and maybe win a few games you would see the SCSC (we really need a better nickname for this building other than some acronym or 'New Arena') fill up.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 13, 2017 10:42:17 GMT -6
I am not referring to paid attendance but instead actually attendance which is a very different thing. The men are not averaging 2100 per game in butts in seats. BTW, give me an example of how my estimates and fake numbers are or somehow misguided??? With the football estimates I showed my work and I don't know what else needs to be done. I won't apologize for seeking out the truth. Seek the truth all you want. I'm a big fan of seeking truth. That's the basis of scientific research, which I'm also a big fan of. Conducting research with shoddy methodology and speculative estimates, and then using those numbers repeatedly as if they are fact is called propaganda. I'm not a fan of propaganda. You just nailed it. CF's propaganda about football attendance is annoying. Swear to God, at the SDSU game this season there couldn't have been more than 4,000 at the game. The Dome just doesn't hold that much. SMH.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 13, 2017 12:50:54 GMT -6
I am still waiting on an example. I'm not going to waste my time going through the entire board looking for your many, many, many, wrong attendance guesses, estimations, and assumptions. You post them all over the board. I might give you a tiny bit of credence if there were any corroboration or agreement from other posters that had attended the same events. Instead the reverse is true. Here is a recent example from the Drake men's BB game (2101 official attendance): Coyote Fan: "...I am fairly certain that the actual butts in the seats was closer to 7 or 800 than to 2000 plus...." gasser86: "...there were at least 1500 people there. To say that we had three times fewer than the ‘official’ attendance is ludacris...." I knew you would never come up with an example. Point Proven.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 13, 2017 13:03:09 GMT -6
Seek the truth all you want. I'm a big fan of seeking truth. That's the basis of scientific research, which I'm also a big fan of. Conducting research with shoddy methodology and speculative estimates, and then using those numbers repeatedly as if they are fact is called propaganda. I'm not a fan of propaganda. You just nailed it. CF's propaganda about football attendance is annoying. Swear to God, at the SDSU game this season there couldn't have been more than 4,000 at the game. The Dome just doesn't hold that much. SMH. This is how it works basically. When I make an accurate estimate or bring up facts people only like it when it fits their agenda. When I bring up things people don't like (even if it is a reasonable opinion or fact) suddenly it is propaganda. The Trump world we live in is having a big effect on the way people think. Fake news is only fake new when the person viewing the news doesn't agree with it. I always seek the truth whether that results in popular conclusions or not. For those that are certain I am so negative sure haven't been reading many of my posts in the basketball threads lately. People will always see what they want to see. People will always believe what they want to believe. People don't look at all sides of things but just the things that fit their own agenda. I don't do that and it really bugs the heck out of many people. That is why cults exist because there are people that will go to their graves believing things just because they may have been told something. My advise is that everyone should be an independent thinker. Take advise from others but be careful to avoid going down a road of tunnel vision because looking at things from all angles is almost never a bad thing.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 13, 2017 13:39:20 GMT -6
I'm not going to waste my time going through the entire board looking for your many, many, many, wrong attendance guesses, estimations, and assumptions. You post them all over the board. I might give you a tiny bit of credence if there were any corroboration or agreement from other posters that had attended the same events. Instead the reverse is true. Here is a recent example from the Drake men's BB game (2101 official attendance): Coyote Fan: "...I am fairly certain that the actual butts in the seats was closer to 7 or 800 than to 2000 plus...." gasser86: "...there were at least 1500 people there. To say that we had three times fewer than the ‘official’ attendance is ludacris...." I knew you would never come up with an example. Point Proven. Yeah, except that I did... Many on this board simply choose to ignore some of your idiosyncrasies, and I do as well. For the most part. I sometimes enjoy your perspective. But I will continue calling you out on your false low attendance counts until I am blue in the face, or until you stop doing it (which will be never). You are entitled to your opinion, but if you accuse the university of padding numbers you better have better evidence than a rough pessimistic estimate.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 13, 2017 15:05:56 GMT -6
do keep in mind that when the university reports attendance they likely report paid attendance. I usually comment on actual attendance. doesn't the word attendance imply that one has to attend to be counted. if someone pays for their seat but doesn't attend then that person should not be associated with the word attendance unless someone is attending to that seat. they should call it "seats paid for" or something like that. I will say this. when people scan over a crowd they tend to over estimate the number of people they see just like many people tend to over exaggerate in life. The SCSC is probably the 6K capacity they say it is. if a crow's is 2k then every third seat should be filled. I have noticed in most home games that the most popular section 116 is at most half full and maybe a third.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Dec 13, 2017 16:14:47 GMT -6
CF, next time you are at a game count every single person in attendance and report it. Don't forget to count those in the concession lines and in the bathrooms. Thanks
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 13, 2017 16:43:09 GMT -6
I'm surprised section 116 is even half full, considering that it doesn't exist.
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 13, 2017 17:07:31 GMT -6
You just nailed it. CF's propaganda about football attendance is annoying. Swear to God, at the SDSU game this season there couldn't have been more than 4,000 at the game. The Dome just doesn't hold that much. SMH. This is how it works basically. When I make an accurate estimate or bring up facts people only like it when it fits their agenda. When I bring up things people don't like (even if it is a reasonable opinion or fact) suddenly it is propaganda. The Trump world we live in is having a big effect on the way people think. Fake news is only fake new when the person viewing the news doesn't agree with it. I always seek the truth whether that results in popular conclusions or not. For those that are certain I am so negative sure haven't been reading many of my posts in the basketball threads lately. People will always see what they want to see. People will always believe what they want to believe. People don't look at all sides of things but just the things that fit their own agenda. I don't do that and it really bugs the heck out of many people. That is why cults exist because there are people that will go to their graves believing things just because they may have been told something. My advise is that everyone should be an independent thinker. Take advise from others but be careful to avoid going down a road of tunnel vision because looking at things from all angles is almost never a bad thing. Truly a legend in your own mind.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 13, 2017 19:25:14 GMT -6
This is how it works basically. When I make an accurate estimate or bring up facts people only like it when it fits their agenda. When I bring up things people don't like (even if it is a reasonable opinion or fact) suddenly it is propaganda. The Trump world we live in is having a big effect on the way people think. Fake news is only fake new when the person viewing the news doesn't agree with it. I always seek the truth whether that results in popular conclusions or not. For those that are certain I am so negative sure haven't been reading many of my posts in the basketball threads lately. People will always see what they want to see. People will always believe what they want to believe. People don't look at all sides of things but just the things that fit their own agenda. I don't do that and it really bugs the heck out of many people. That is why cults exist because there are people that will go to their graves believing things just because they may have been told something. My advise is that everyone should be an independent thinker. Take advise from others but be careful to avoid going down a road of tunnel vision because looking at things from all angles is almost never a bad thing. Truly a legend in your own mind. So what is your opinion on some of the posts in the basketball threads. I know that it is probably very hard for you to have to admit that there is a lot of positiveness in those posts but you are probably too busy picking apart the negative parts of it.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 14, 2017 6:42:09 GMT -6
I see for the WBB game on Saturday they are running a promo for half priced tix for seniors and half priced tix for families to sit in the bleachers. I don't know if that is actually being advertised at all though (I saw it on goyotes.com).
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