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Post by gopheryote on Jan 17, 2018 20:30:28 GMT -6
Why? What was the size of the crowd? Only 1430 OK. I'll bite. And here is jacksfan29's (or something like that) post: "Your links show a decent crowd in Brookings, an empty arena in Vermillion. Come on CF, at least if you intend to make things up, don't provide the evidence that shows just how wrong you are. USD seem to have decided to count "tickets sold" much like ORU. There were less then a 1,000 people in the seats for that women's game. 2K? Funny stuff. " I have zero doubt that SDSU has more fans, and I also think that the trend (getting better, flat, getting worse) is 1000 times more important than the actual attendance for both programs at this stage. So, here is a reality check. Frost has 2,187 permanent seats. There are GA bleachers up high on 3 sides, though the ends are usually pushed in. Two sections (AA & FF) each have around 220 seats, but face the end upper bleachers - not the court. Even so, they of those 440 seats, ~270 are sold as season tix. Above is the bench side. Go ahead and count - there are not 300 people on that side. I didn't copy pictures, but there are less than 150 students on the two endlines. So we are at ~450 going into the non-bench side. Above is the non-bench side. Quick scan of the 'good seats' are not 2/3 to 3/4 full. On other shots you can see the corners and higher seats are really empty (which is to be expected in a non-sell-out). The problem here is that to get to 1430 in attendance, we need 1000 sitting on this side. Quick scan would say there is closer to 600, and I'm round up for the corners. Not going to get there. Attendance for the Wichita State game was 1486. I think the paid attendance is around 1400, and that is the 'base' for what is reported. Main point: SDSU is better at hiding empty seats (camera angles and lighting) so it appears like more people are there than actually are. SCSC is the opposite - there are more people there than you can see on TV. And both teams are in the general range of each other anyway - it isn't like one is drawing 4500 and the other is drawing 200. I think a bigger 'ah ha' here is anytime that SDSU reports 4000 or so for a State/U game, it should raise an eyebrow. Capacity there is pretty limited - likely much more limited than being reported.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 17, 2018 21:11:24 GMT -6
For some of the people that are season ticket holders that don't show up are going to come to a quick conclusion that they don't actually need to purchase season tickets to get decent seats for all but 1 or 2 games. I don't think the school can rely on people buying tickets and not showing up as a long term way to have a program thrive. We have such a nice arena but even that is not really helping the cause for attendance.
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Post by coyote70 on Jan 17, 2018 21:34:42 GMT -6
I have a one-word solution to all this attendance and how-it-looks-on-TV BS:
Mannequins
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Post by sdyotefan75 on Jan 17, 2018 21:49:37 GMT -6
The reported att tonight was 2351. I wasnt there but watched on espn3. There wasnt 1500 there. Do they count students that didnt show up too?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 17, 2018 22:51:03 GMT -6
The reported att tonight was 2351. I wasnt there but watched on espn3. There wasnt 1500 there. Do they count students that didnt show up too? Between this and gopheryote's previous post, can't we all just acknowledge that everyone posts bogus numbers all the time?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 17, 2018 23:07:58 GMT -6
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Post by yoteforever on Jan 17, 2018 23:30:58 GMT -6
The reported att tonight was 2351. I wasnt there but watched on espn3. There wasnt 1500 there. Do they count students that didnt show up too? Between this and gopheryote's previous post, can't we all just acknowledge that everyone posts bogus numbers all the time? Amen. Just drop it
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 18, 2018 6:50:59 GMT -6
Maybe we can have a catch-all basketball attendance b!tching thread in the "other USD talk" forum for mods to cut and paste those discussions out of otherwise productive threads where they are non-sequiturs. Otherwise visiting lurkers just think we are completely obsessed with this topic (instead of just one or two of us).
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Post by yoteforever on Jan 18, 2018 7:26:33 GMT -6
Maybe we can have a catch-all basketball attendance b!tching thread in the "other USD talk" forum for mods to cut and paste those discussions out of otherwise productive threads where they are non-sequiturs. Otherwise visiting lurkers just think we are completely obsessed with this topic (instead of just one or two of us). Done...great suggestion
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Post by yotebewithyou on Jan 20, 2018 16:03:58 GMT -6
SDSU beats Western 84-48 in Brookings... What's going on with the Leathernecks?
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 20, 2018 22:06:12 GMT -6
SDSU beats Western 84-48 in Brookings... What's going on with the Leathernecks? Maybe Coach P provided a good template?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 4, 2018 2:06:50 GMT -6
We have kind an interesting situation developing in the Women's race. Western Illinois had a big win at Oral Roberts today basically guaranteeing themselves the #3 seed based on sweeping them head to head. Right now Western Illinois is 2 games back of the Jacks so there is a chance they could still catch them but unfortunately when I viewed the tie breaker scenarios I didn't like what I saw. When teams are tied and they have split with each other and don't have any other differences in their wins or losses from the top of the conference on down instead of a coin flip (which I thought was the case) they base the last tie breaker on RPI. That is going to give the Jacks almost certainly every advantage if all other things are equal.
Here is the Jacks remaining schedule
vs Denver vs Oral Roberts at Western Illinois at South Dakota
Here is the Leather Necks remaining schedule
vs Omaha vs South Dakota State at North Dakota State at Denver
There is a very reasonable chance that WIU could defeat the Jacks at home and than the Jacks could fall at USD. If that were to happen WIU could still catch the Jacks but with both teams having split in the scenario and both teams having been swept by the Coyotes there are no other tie breakers in play until the RPI which I believe the Jacks would win.
The Coyotes are going to be no worse than the #2 seed because they have a 3 game lead on WIU with the tie breaker in hand. The problem could be if they lose to the Jacks at home. If both teams end up 13-1 in the league the Jacks would probably win that stink'n RPI tie breaker. F the RPI as that is getting to be an archaic way to determine the better team. They should use a more updated rating system.
The bottom line is that we definitely should be cheering for Western Illinois to take down the Jacks in Macomb because if they do the Coyotes could potentially clinch the out right title with a win over ORU before they even take on the Jacks assuming they take care of business at Fort Wayne and Omaha.
The Summit Tie Breaking procedures are below which could come into play for the Men or Women.
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Tiebreaker Procedures
Tiebreaker procedures shall be used ONLY to determine seeds for the League tournament. Regular season standings shall stand.
If there are multiple ties, the ties shall be broken in descending order. (i.e., a tie at the #1 position will be broken before any others).
Once a tie is broken using the procedures below, it shall remain broken for purposes of all future comparisons.
Two-team Tiebreaking Criteria. The following criteria should be applied (in order) to break ties between two teams:
Results of head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.
Comparison of each tied team's record against the team occupying the highest position in the standings continuing down through the standings until a team gains an advantage.
When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group's own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams. If a tie still cannot be broken after applying criteria (1), (2) and (3), it will be broken by comparing each tied team's RPI (based upon the RPIratings.com Report issued on the morning following the last regular season League game).
Multiple-Team Tiebreaking Criteria. The following criteria should be applied to break ties between more than two teams: Results of each tied team's collective record against the other teams tied for the same position.
If multiple ties still remain, then each tied team's record shall be compared to the team or group (if 2 or more are tied) occupying the highest position in the standings continuing down through the standings until a team gains an advantage.
If the above results in two teams remaining, the two-team tiebreaker is used. If a tie involving three or more teams still cannot be broken after applying criteria (1) and (2), it will be broken by comparing each tied team's RPI (based upon the RPIratings.com Report issued on the morning following the last regular season League game.)
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 4, 2018 6:00:31 GMT -6
#1 seed >>>>#2 seed this year because of the possibility of avoiding the leathernecks in the second round. ORU can still play spoiler/wildcard of course, but I'm a little less concerned.
I've got zero problem with cheering against the Jacks. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd be doing that anyway.
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Post by sdyotefan75 on Feb 4, 2018 8:10:38 GMT -6
Western has lost 3 games by a combined 71 pts vs us and the jacks. I think it will be tough for them to beat the jacks. But thats why you play the game.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 4, 2018 11:58:16 GMT -6
Not sure anyone would be too surprised if WIU beat the rabbits in Macomb. But either way, I really really like our chances of beating the rabbits in Vermillion.
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