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Post by yotebewithyou on Jan 23, 2018 15:54:41 GMT -6
This one gets the old blood pumping!!
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Post by sdyotefan75 on Jan 23, 2018 16:09:44 GMT -6
as much as most will argue otherwise the only game that matters is the one is Sioux falls. let's just hit the fast forward button. the coyotes could sweep the jacks and it wouldn't matter if they don't beat them at the tourney. Wednesday's game is nothing but a warm up. give the auto bid to the regular season champ and it means everything but that is not how it works. Every conference in the NCAA has a postseason tourney. The Ivy League use to give the bid to the regular season champ until last year. So apparently all conferences are doing it wrong. According to you..,,
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Post by usdcoyote on Jan 23, 2018 16:39:26 GMT -6
as much as most will argue otherwise the only game that matters is the one is Sioux falls. let's just hit the fast forward button. the coyotes could sweep the jacks and it wouldn't matter if they don't beat them at the tourney. Wednesday's game is nothing but a warm up. give the auto bid to the regular season champ and it means everything but that is not how it works. I am really surprised to hear this kind of talk coming from you. You have talked before about how you rather be in the tournament like the NIT, where you have a realistic shot at winning some games, over the NCAA tournament where you thought we would be a one and done. So for people with your line of thinking, this game is even more important than the ones in Sioux Falls. It's the regular season champ that is guaranteed the bid to the NIT. You are the last person I would expect to say the regular season title, and thereby the NIT birth, doesn't mean anything. Tomorrow is huge for you CF, if we lose you can kiss your NIT bid goodbye. You might end up having to settle for a trip to the Big Dance instead.
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Post by gorabbits on Jan 23, 2018 17:11:18 GMT -6
I'll be in the stands at USD tomorrow night. Looking forward to a great game that could go either way. 8 of us are coming from Sioux Falls, some Jack fans, some Yote fans. I don't think any of us have attended a game in you new arena so are looking forward to it. I won't tell you where my seats are but I will be wearing blue in a sea of red. Got the tickets for the group on Jan. 2, at 9:00 am, the first day they were available to us so the seats aren't bad.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 23, 2018 18:21:59 GMT -6
as much as most will argue otherwise the only game that matters is the one is Sioux falls. let's just hit the fast forward button. the coyotes could sweep the jacks and it wouldn't matter if they don't beat them at the tourney. Wednesday's game is nothing but a warm up. give the auto bid to the regular season champ and it means everything but that is not how it works. I am really surprised to hear this kind of talk coming from you. You have talked before about how you rather be in the tournament like the NIT, where you have a realistic shot at winning some games, over the NCAA tournament where you thought we would be a one and done. So for people with your line of thinking, this game is even more important than the ones in Sioux Falls. It's the regular season champ that is guaranteed the bid to the NIT. You are the last person I would expect to say the regular season title, and thereby the NIT birth, doesn't mean anything. Tomorrow is huge for you CF, if we lose you can kiss your NIT bid goodbye. You might end up having to settle for a trip to the Big Dance instead. What matters to me and what matters to most people may not jive but honestly after what happened last year the Coyotes cannot truly get revenge until they meet in Sioux Falls assuming both teams end up playing one another. Last year I was very excited about the game in Vermillion but ultimately it didn't really matter. The Jacks will win the Summit Tourney because that is what they do. I really like our basketball team don't get me wrong, but the Jacks are the better team currently and for the Coyotes to defeat them in Sioux Falls they will probably need to be 10 points better than the Jacks. As long as TJ is in Brookings the Coyotes will be hard pressed to win the Summit Tourney. The State of South Dakota wants the Jacks to win this this game, the Summit League wants the Jacks to win this game and the SDSU fan base expects to win this game. I will have faith that the Coyotes can truly get to the same level as the Jacks once the fan base no longer accepts losing to this team. I do not see any evidence of this currently. As I said in a previous post Jacks fans want to beat the Coyotes, Coyote fans just simply want to play the Jacks and the vast disparity in attendance for Coyotes fans against them vs against any other team bares that out. For most USD people the result isn't really that big of a deal as long as they get the game experience. I am actually quite sick of losing to the Jacks in everything but I remain on an island with that way of thinking. I have had one too many depressing walks out of the Premier Center after each loss to this team. I can't take the depression much longer.
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Post by usdcoyote on Jan 23, 2018 19:01:32 GMT -6
I am really surprised to hear this kind of talk coming from you. You have talked before about how you rather be in the tournament like the NIT, where you have a realistic shot at winning some games, over the NCAA tournament where you thought we would be a one and done. So for people with your line of thinking, this game is even more important than the ones in Sioux Falls. It's the regular season champ that is guaranteed the bid to the NIT. You are the last person I would expect to say the regular season title, and thereby the NIT birth, doesn't mean anything. Tomorrow is huge for you CF, if we lose you can kiss your NIT bid goodbye. You might end up having to settle for a trip to the Big Dance instead. What matters to me and what matters to most people may not jive but honestly after what happened last year the Coyotes cannot truly get revenge until they meet in Sioux Falls assuming both teams end up playing one another. Last year I was very excited about the game in Vermillion but ultimately it didn't really matter. The Jacks will win the Summit Tourney because that is what they do. I really like our basketball team don't get me wrong, but the Jacks are the better team currently and for the Coyotes to defeat them in Sioux Falls they will probably need to be 10 points better than the Jacks. As long as TJ is in Brookings the Coyotes will be hard pressed to win the Summit Tourney. The State of South Dakota wants the Jacks to win this this game, the Summit League wants the Jacks to win this game and the SDSU fan base expects to win this game. I will have faith that the Coyotes can truly get to the same level as the Jacks once the fan base no longer accepts losing to this team. I do not see any evidence of this currently. As I said in a previous post Jacks fans want to beat the Coyotes, Coyote fans just simply want to play the Jacks and the vast disparity in attendance for Coyotes fans against them vs against any other team bares that out. For most USD people the result isn't really that big of a deal as long as they get the game experience. I am actually quite sick of losing to the Jacks in everything but I remain on an island with that way of thinking. I have had one too many depressing walks out of the Premier Center after each loss to this team. I can't take the depression much longer. I don't know where the hell you get that USD fans only care about playing the Jacks but not beating them. That has not been my experience with USD fans at all. I also don't know why it sounds like you are always seeing us lose to them. You must only attend road games, because in basketball we almost always beat them at home. Hell, Boots was here forever and he had a winning record against them. You talk like a fan of a team who has never beaten them. Yes we have a lot more fans at that game than others, but the same can be said for when we play up there. They draw a lot more fans to that game than any other. Do you think people don't care about losing unless they get on a message board and call for coaches to get fired after every loss? About the only thing you said that had any validity is that we need to be 10 points better than them at the SLT to beat them. That is true. Last year we were only 9 points better and that wasn't good enough. We have to understand that Daum is going to get away with traveling whenever he wants and he will be able to run people over all night and go for any block he wants and never get a foul called on him. If we jump out to a lead the refs will do whatever they can to bring the Jacks back in it, even if that means going through a 12 minute stretch where they call 8 fouls on us and 0 on them. Sure that's tough to swallow, but no use bitching about it, it's just the way that it is. We need to overcome it. But everything else you said besides that was a bunch of shit. With all due respect.
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Post by coyote70 on Jan 23, 2018 19:24:25 GMT -6
Well, CF I guess I'm in your perceived minority because I actually expect a victory. High expectations are what I always placed on my kids as they were growing up; the standards my staff and fellow co-workers were held to when I was in the workforce; and even myself as I matured and at least learned from my mistakes. Kind of like what the famous "Hawthorn Study" bore out years ago in studying what made organizations successful. I think you know this...
I don't want to talk you down here but the issue I take with you is that a defeatist attitude, such as what you seem to exhibit, is counter productive. Attitude is everything. If the Yotes lose tomorrow they will definitely learn from their mistakes and improve going forward. With a defeatist attitude how can you learn? You were destined to lose.
There is always a "next time". With high expectations, which no doubt our team has, comes room for improvement. With low expectations comes continued lack of improvement. That's just the way it is in my opinion.
I may seem a little "high and mighty" in this post but please understand that I'd rather lose and expect a win than lose and thought that was the way it was supposed to be.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 23, 2018 21:22:16 GMT -6
blah blah blah..... but ultimately it didn't really matter. The Jacks will win the Summit Tourney because that is what they do....Blah blah blah... the Jacks are the better team ... blah blah blah... the Coyotes will be hard pressed to win the Summit Tourney....blah blah blah.... I will have faith that the Coyotes can truly get to the same level as the Jacks once the fan base no longer accepts losing to this team. ...blah blah blah So to summarize: I'm a sad defeatist little persecuted fan. I have given up all hope. I'm going to trash the USD fan base for being.... defeatist?? Wait, What? Does not compute.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 23, 2018 21:48:38 GMT -6
The Coyotes beat the Jacks about half the time at home but that is the point because it doesn't go beyond that. The Coyotes have not been better than the Jacks since about the turn of the century. The Coyotes were better for about half a season and now we are back to playing second fiddle to them once again. It took the Jacks less than a year of struggles to regain their status above the Yotes. That is true with both football and men's basketball this year.
As long as the Coyotes and the Jacks are both in the Summit and the tourney is in Sioux Falls the Jacks will likely get at least 5 times the amount of NCAA appearances as will the Coyotes. Once the Jacks are complete with the Frost Arena refurbishment the Coyotes will lose the one advantage they have in having the nicer arena. At least we can look forward to plenty of WNIT runs from the Women and an occasional NIT run from the men but probably quite a few CBI runs instead. The Coyotes are a good program but will always be over shadowed by the Jacks. That is just the order or business in the State of South Dakota. If the Coyotes were in the Big Sky like I wanted them to be they would probably have one NCAA berth and be the favorites this year as well but since USD nation is obsessed with playing the Rabbits they will very rarely make the NCAA tourney. Just the way it is.
We can get all excited now as long as we are all prepared for the inevitable which is the Jacks going to the NCAA tourney in March at the Coyotes expense. There is nothing wrong with being the 2nd best program in the state. Once the Jacks get their pick of the litter with the recruits at least the Yotes can get the next best tier of athletes available.
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Post by elcoyote on Jan 23, 2018 23:04:44 GMT -6
The Coyotes beat the Jacks about half the time at home but that is the point because it doesn't go beyond that. The Coyotes have not been better than the Jacks since about the turn of the century. The Coyotes were better for about half a season and now we are back to playing second fiddle to them once again. It took the Jacks less than a year of struggles to regain their status above the Yotes. That is true with both football and men's basketball this year. As long as the Coyotes and the Jacks are both in the Summit and the tourney is in Sioux Falls the Jacks will likely get at least 5 times the amount of NCAA appearances as will the Coyotes. Once the Jacks are complete with the Frost Arena refurbishment the Coyotes will lose the one advantage they have in having the nicer arena. At least we can look forward to plenty of WNIT runs from the Women and an occasional NIT run from the men but probably quite a few CBI runs instead. The Coyotes are a good program but will always be over shadowed by the Jacks. That is just the order or business in the State of South Dakota. If the Coyotes were in the Big Sky like I wanted them to be they would probably have one NCAA berth and be the favorites this year as well but since USD nation is obsessed with playing the Rabbits they will very rarely make the NCAA tourney. Just the way it is. We can get all excited now as long as we are all prepared for the inevitable which is the Jacks going to the NCAA tourney in March at the Coyotes expense. There is nothing wrong with being the 2nd best program in the state. Once the Jacks get their pick of the litter with the recruits at least the Yotes can get the next best tier of athletes available. This particular strain of herpes is especially hard to shake. In medical parlance it's referred to as "twerpes".
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Post by usdcoyote on Jan 23, 2018 23:25:01 GMT -6
The Coyotes beat the Jacks about half the time at home but that is the point because it doesn't go beyond that. The Coyotes have not been better than the Jacks since about the turn of the century. The Coyotes were better for about half a season and now we are back to playing second fiddle to them once again. It took the Jacks less than a year of struggles to regain their status above the Yotes. That is true with both football and men's basketball this year. As long as the Coyotes and the Jacks are both in the Summit and the tourney is in Sioux Falls the Jacks will likely get at least 5 times the amount of NCAA appearances as will the Coyotes. Once the Jacks are complete with the Frost Arena refurbishment the Coyotes will lose the one advantage they have in having the nicer arena. At least we can look forward to plenty of WNIT runs from the Women and an occasional NIT run from the men but probably quite a few CBI runs instead. The Coyotes are a good program but will always be over shadowed by the Jacks. That is just the order or business in the State of South Dakota. If the Coyotes were in the Big Sky like I wanted them to be they would probably have one NCAA berth and be the favorites this year as well but since USD nation is obsessed with playing the Rabbits they will very rarely make the NCAA tourney. Just the way it is. We can get all excited now as long as we are all prepared for the inevitable which is the Jacks going to the NCAA tourney in March at the Coyotes expense. There is nothing wrong with being the 2nd best program in the state. Once the Jacks get their pick of the litter with the recruits at least the Yotes can get the next best tier of athletes available. Last 8 home games we are 6-2 against State, not as good as I would like but it is what it is. You act like there is such a long history of them just dominating us, but that isn't the case. I will grant you that they have had more success so far at the DI level, but it's not fair to say they have been better than us since the turn of the century. We certainly had the upper hand by the time they left DII (as we did for a lot of the DII years). Then State went through some pretty shitty years, worse than we have ever seen. We weren't playing them at that time but it was clear we were the better team. And last year we were conference champs, as once again we were the better team (and even you have admitted this CF). State did get hot and win the SLT, but honestly the SLT is a crap shoot. NDSU could win it this year. UNO was a shot away from winning it last year and they certainly weren't the best team. The conference champ this year is TBD. Tomorrow night should be a good game, I see we are three point favorites without one of our best players. Hopefully we play well. If State is hot from 3 then we could be in for a very long night. (without Hurst this becomes more likely). If we want to go back to back we need this win. This thing better sell out.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 24, 2018 0:18:21 GMT -6
I am surprised it is 6-2. I thought it was closer to 4-4. This is my biggest worry. The Coyotes will come out much more fired up against the Jacks tomorrow and end up winning the game. I don't think it is bad that they would win, but what I do think is that they would get kind of satisfied by enacting a sense of revenge of sorts and then not have quite the edge when or if they play them again in Sioux Falls.
Back to back regular season champs would be nice but it would put even more pressure on the tourney for the Coyotes. I would almost rather see the Yotes as the #2 seed and the under dog in Sioux Falls. Normally I do put more stock in the regular season but for this season anyway last year changed that. Not only the loss to the Jacks but the heart wrenching way that it happened. Last year the Coyotes were new to being a good team in the Summit so them not winning the tourney wasn't disasterous in itself as much as it was the way it happened. This year is different. The Coyotes are aiming their whole season on winning that tourney and to come up short would be discouraging. Because of the circumstances is why I am not as excited for either regular season matchup as I would normally be.
When it comes to the Men's NIT it is a much different scenario than it is for the Women. The team probably isn't playing at home and probably isn't lasting very long either. Until the men get to the NCAA tourney I am no longer going to care about the NIT. Once they do make the tourney than I will resume caring about it again.
All the former NCC move ups UNC, UND, NDSU and SDSU have all made the NCAA tourney but the Coyotes have obviously not joined that group. The more years that pass without that happening, the more pressure each and every year will contain.
For Coyote fans it's got to be NCAA tourney or bust. Nothing less should do for Yote fans.
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Post by azsod73 on Jan 24, 2018 0:25:26 GMT -6
I thought I understood masochism but wanting everyone to think you are an arse hole puts a new twist on it in my book.
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 24, 2018 6:55:25 GMT -6
This probably isn't a surprise since the rabbits have the 250th ranked defense, but the Yotes are forcing twice as many turnovers per game in conference play (15.5 vs 7.8). Also of note, 4 of the 5 teams the rabbits have played have scored above their season average of points, while USD has held 5 of 6 below their average.
It looks like the Yotes may shoot fewer FT's tonight since SDSU plays "ole' defense."
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 24, 2018 8:08:46 GMT -6
One offense caveat: while SDSU is averaging 91.6 per game in SL, 4 of the 5 games they played are against the worst defensive teams in the league (which is saying something, since this have never been a strong-d-league). The one game against someone in the top half in defense (ORU) they scored 78 at home.
It is entirely possible that some of the great O they have displayed is directly attributed to the poor defense they have faced...
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