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Post by yoteforever on Apr 5, 2018 20:17:51 GMT -6
I’d be worried about Nebraska. Also, if a couple other guys start jumping ship then Mooney definitely won’t be back. So is this when the bunny fans start hoping and praying that Mooney leaves and now you're even wishing for the entire team to bail? Then next season you'll be the first to whine about RPI and strength of conference etc. Thank you for your concern. I don’t think SDSUALUM08 meant that. What he said I think is pretty accurate. It’s not out of the realm we can win SLT next year with everyone back. However if people bail then Matt bails also. That’s a fair statement. SDSUAlum08 iscreasonable and provides good insight unlike some of his peers. I don’t think he meant any harm or disrespect
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 5, 2018 20:26:10 GMT -6
Matt won’t go to Nebraska by the way......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 20:30:49 GMT -6
Matt won’t go to Nebraska by the way...... Why is that?
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 5, 2018 21:26:28 GMT -6
So is this when the bunny fans start hoping and praying that Mooney leaves and now you're even wishing for the entire team to bail? Then next season you'll be the first to whine about RPI and strength of conference etc. Thank you for your concern. I don’t think SDSUALUM08 meant that. What he said I think is pretty accurate. It’s not out of the realm we can win SLT next year with everyone back. However if people bail then Matt bails also. That’s a fair statement. SDSUAlum08 iscreasonable and provides good insight unlike some of his peers. I don’t think he meant any harm or disrespect I agree that he's a very good poster on this board, but I also feel that the common thought among the majority of State fans is that they really want Mooney to leave, others to transfer and our program to go back to square one as it would clear the way for them to repeat in the Summit. Since we are the top two teams now, if we were to have to go back into rebuild mode it would be reasonable to assume strength of conference would also fall resulting in a lower seed for whoever would happen to win the Summit bid next season and also further setting the conference back in the bid to ever become a multibid league. It's a case of maybe be careful what you wish for.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 5, 2018 21:35:10 GMT -6
If he leaves, in my opinion, it would be for 3 reasons. 1.) Closer to home 2.) NCAA tourney team likely 3.) Chance to play in front of large crowds and higher exposure
Nebraska doesn’t fill the bill on #1. #2 is about the same odds as USD winning the SLT and going. #3 is like yeah whatever. Football school first
Earlier Yote 53 gave some good logic on reasons he shouldn’t transfer. Matt is really to young to think about the lifetime friendships that will only be enhanced if he stays. To this day, I can tell you how proud I was to play for USD, have some team success, but most importantly have MANY lifetime friends and people I care for very much that still get together and have awesome times together. Also friends I’ve cried with because we lost “one of us”, or a spouse.
In our Coyote Brotherhood, we had one give his kidney for another teammate. 34 guys tested and were willing to make that sacrifice. We raised over $10,000 for Weber States wife who’s battling cancer. And we are close to putting together the last pieces to provide athletic scholarships for today’s athletes at USD.
If I could sit down with Matt, this is what I would tell him. He has a real opportunity to have the same thing, but likely loses that by leaving. Staying and finishing the deal he will be more proud of when he’s 60 than now. Staying and crossing that last hurdle of winning the SLT and going to the dance will mean more to him than going to some big school that he possibly helps do good things but will be forgotten quicker than he was remembered.
All those things add up to why he should stay. It’s really special to be a former athlete at USD, which makes you a Coyote for life.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 5, 2018 21:39:11 GMT -6
I don’t think SDSUALUM08 meant that. What he said I think is pretty accurate. It’s not out of the realm we can win SLT next year with everyone back. However if people bail then Matt bails also. That’s a fair statement. SDSUAlum08 iscreasonable and provides good insight unlike some of his peers. I don’t think he meant any harm or disrespect I agree that he's a very good poster on this board, but I also feel that the common thought among the majority of State fans is that they really want Mooney to leave, others to transfer and our program to go back to square one as it would clear the way for them to repeat in the Summit. Since we are the top two teams now, if we were to have to go back into rebuild mode it would be reasonable to assume strength of conference would also fall resulting in a lower seed for whoever would happen to win the Summit bid next season and also further setting the conference back in the bid to ever become a multibid league. It's a case of maybe be careful what you wish for. I agree with you that many bunny boosters do want that. One of their mods and I go back and forth because he thinks the vast majority of our posters are blinded with hate for SDSU. I claim that just as high of percentage, or higher, want USD to be crap forever. All that being said, I don’t think SDSUAlum08 is one of them. He’s a good contributor as you are my friend. I’d defend you both
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Post by flagshipU on Apr 5, 2018 21:44:42 GMT -6
He's gone. Stinks, but I get it. Coach that recruited him left so I hold nothing against him for leaving too. He'll get a chance at a bigger program where they'll be able to get an at-large bid to the tournament with hopes of a deep run, instead of his current situation where the best possible scenario is field of 64. Today made me remember the post game comments from matt after being eliminated from the SLT in 2017. Talking about how every kid dreams of playing in the NCAA tournament. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if going to a program with a much better chance because they could get an at-large berth isn’t a major factor in his decision. I actually thought of the comments that he made this year when he apologized for letting the fans down. He didn't have a great game by any means, but he put forth great effort and didn't let anyone down. Ironically, if he left now, he would most definitely be letting the fans down.
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Post by flagshipU on Apr 5, 2018 21:48:27 GMT -6
If he leaves, in my opinion, it would be for 3 reasons. 1.) Closer to home 2.) NCAA tourney team likely 3.) Chance to play in front of large crowds and higher exposure Nebraska doesn’t fill the bill on #1. #2 is about the same odds as USD winning the SLT and going. #3 is like yeah whatever. Football school first Earlier Yote 53 gave some good logic on reasons he shouldn’t transfer. Matt is really to young to think about the lifetime friendships that will only be enhanced if he stays. To this day, I can tell you how proud I was to play for USD, have some team success, but most importantly have MANY lifetime friends and people I care for very much that still get together and have awesome times together. Also friends I’ve cried with because we lost “one of us”, or a spouse. In our Coyote Brotherhood, we had one give his kidney for another teammate. 34 guys tested and were willing to make that sacrifice. We raised over $10,000 for Weber States wife who’s battling cancer. And we are close to putting together the last pieces to provide athletic scholarships for today’s athletes at USD. If I could sit down with Matt, this is what I would tell him. He has a real opportunity to have the same thing, but likely loses that by leaving. Staying and finishing the deal he will be more proud of when he’s 60 than now. Staying and crossing that last hurdle of winning the SLT and going to the dance will mean more to him than going to some big school that he possibly helps do good things but will be forgotten quicker than he was remembered. All those things add up to why he should stay. It’s really special to be a former athlete at USD, which makes you a Coyote for life. Well stated! I couldn't agree more.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 5, 2018 21:50:11 GMT -6
If he leaves, in my opinion, it would be for 3 reasons. 1.) Closer to home 2.) NCAA tourney team likely 3.) Chance to play in front of large crowds and higher exposure Nebraska doesn’t fill the bill on #1. #2 is about the same odds as USD winning the SLT and going. #3 is like yeah whatever. Football school first Earlier Yote 53 gave some good logic on reasons he shouldn’t transfer. Matt is really to young to think about the lifetime friendships that will only be enhanced if he stays. To this day, I can tell you how proud I was to play for USD, have some team success, but most importantly have MANY lifetime friends and people I care for very much that still get together and have awesome times together. Also friends I’ve cried with because we lost “one of us”, or a spouse. In our Coyote Brotherhood, we had one give his kidney for another teammate. 34 guys tested and were willing to make that sacrifice. We raised over $10,000 for Weber States wife who’s battling cancer. And we are close to putting together the last pieces to provide athletic scholarships for today’s athletes at USD. If I could sit down with Matt, this is what I would tell him. He has a real opportunity to have the same thing, but likely loses that by leaving. Staying and finishing the deal he will be more proud of when he’s 60 than now. Staying and crossing that last hurdle of winning the SLT and going to the dance will mean more to him than going to some big school that he possibly helps do good things but will be forgotten quicker than he was remembered. All those things add up to why he should stay. It’s really special to be a former athlete at USD, which makes you a Coyote for life. This is a GREAT post. Matt needs to read this. Or... you need to find him and tell him exactly what you said in this post.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 5, 2018 21:53:21 GMT -6
I wished I could. Not likely though
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Post by Iceman on Apr 5, 2018 23:49:52 GMT -6
Today made me remember the post game comments from matt after being eliminated from the SLT in 2017. Talking about how every kid dreams of playing in the NCAA tournament. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if going to a program with a much better chance because they could get an at-large berth isn’t a major factor in his decision. I actually thought of the comments that he made this year when he apologized for letting the fans down. He didn't have a great game by any means, but he put forth great effort and didn't let anyone down. Ironically, if he left now, he would most definitely be letting the fans down. Many good comments about wanting Mooney to stay. Flagshipu, what you said is exactly what I have been thinking. Mooney took those loses against State so hard in the press conferences and after, that he was tweeting out apologies to the fans. I mean, was this all a show for him that he didn’t beat our rival, or did he really mean it? I think he really meant it, and if this is the case, you would think he would want to stay to finish some unfinished business. Like someone else said, grad transfers are a good move for people like Nick Fuller that didn’t get to play much, so he took his extra year and moved down and really helped us out. To me, that is a grad transfer.
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Post by usdcoyote on Apr 6, 2018 7:41:39 GMT -6
I don't think he was tweeting apologies as a show, I think he genuinely felt bad for how he played. He takes the game very seriously and puts in more time than anyone. However, I also don't think he feels great loyalty to the schools he goes to. He transferred a couple of times in high school and has already transferred once in college. He obviously loves to play in front of big crowds. I'm sure many are thinking, who doesn't, but with him you can see how much more aggressive he gets in the bigger moments and with the bigger crowds. I think yoteforever hit the nail on the head with the 3 factors he thinks Mooney will be looking at, especially the last two. Playing in front of big crowds on a nightly basis I think would be very important to him, as would the chances of making the NCAA tournament. However, the difficult thing is going to be determining what his role would be. I don't see him enjoying that atmosphere near as much if he's just a role player, and I don't know how he would do in that role as well. He's used to being "the man" and having the green light to do whatever. It's not like he shoots a really high percentage, he's not going to want to find himself in a role where he has to make the most of his 6-8 shots a game. I think he certainly could play for a lot of power 5 teams, but I also think he might be happier still being the man on a higher level mid major. (I'm just guessing of course as I don't know the man). However, maybe those Notre Dame rumors are true. Maybe he has always dreamed of playing for Notre Dame and he wouldn't care what his role was. If that was to happen I would be interested in seeing what kind of role he did have there. He is a lot stronger than many of the freshman and sophomores he would be going against, however not as quick. I do think he could be a key contributor. I also don't know if he's real close to his teammates or more of a loner. If he is a loner I don't see any chance that he comes back. His only connection to this place was Coach Smith. However, if he has developed a really close bond with his teammates, and they are all staying, then I think it would be awful tough to leave them. On a side note, I don't know how many of you listened to 98.1 yesterday. They were asking questions like "how bad will USD be if Mooney leaves?" They were making it sound like we would be bottom half of the conference if he left. I disagree with that. If everyone else comes back I still think we are top two, but more of a distant 2nd. This year there was such a separation between the top two and everyone else. We could take a step or two back and still be the 2nd best team in the conference in my opinion.
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Post by JWKunzman on Apr 6, 2018 7:57:00 GMT -6
Well everyone outside USD seems to think our sports are one man shows. Haven't you heard that our football team will suck next year without Streveler?
Seriously I really hope Mooney doesn't leave, but if he does we'll be ok. Assuming there isn't any sort of mass exodus.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 6, 2018 8:04:18 GMT -6
They were making it sound like we would be bottom half of the conference if he left. I disagree with that. If everyone else comes back I still think we are top two, but more of a distant 2nd. This year there was such a separation between the top two and everyone else. We could take a step or two back and still be the 2nd best team in the conference in my opinion. Yeah, if they think we would be nothing without Mooney I think they either haven't been paying close enough attention, or they are heavily influenced by all the noise from the vocal Jacks fans. (or playing to that base) Sure, we didn't go undefeated in the conference, but there was a palpable separation between 2nd and 3rd. The Yotes have talent. We literally destroyed Denver in the SLT.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 6, 2018 8:07:46 GMT -6
Well everyone outside USD seems to think our sports are one man shows. Yeah, or one-woman shows. How many times did we hear that without Seekamp we wouldn't be contenders in the conference?
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