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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 26, 2019 20:28:14 GMT -6
MBB and WBB are world's apart. Summit will never be a 2 big league in men's for the foreseeable future unless a team goes pretty much undefeated and gets upset in the SLT Championship game.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 26, 2019 21:52:37 GMT -6
This is why he is the best player in the Summit in my opinion.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 26, 2019 22:39:27 GMT -6
Best all around player in my opinion, not necessarily the best offensive or defensive, but I think five Jon Konchars would beat five of anybody else. Daum would be the obvious top contender, but I don't know if he would be effective as a point guard, defending the perimeter and playing a full court game. That matchup would sure be fun to watch though.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 27, 2019 7:27:39 GMT -6
MBB and WBB are world's apart. Summit will never be a 2 big league in men's for the foreseeable future unless a team goes pretty much undefeated and gets upset in the SLT Championship game. I'd say an at-large bid is just as possible on the men's side, if they could ever post a record like the women's teams have. Just look at Wofford out there sitting at 8 seed with no impressive wins, but holding a gaudy record. I don't believe the SoCon is typically held in high regard either.
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Post by golfingyote on Feb 27, 2019 7:49:50 GMT -6
John Gaskins on KWSN is hyping SDSU men as an at-large consideration, quoting Kevin Connors from ESPN. Zimmer was asked about it and disagreed, citing their losses, NET rank and lack of depth. I agree with Zimmer, and would add that having the WORST non-conference schedule in the league shouldn't be rewarded, unless they ran the table (which they didn't). Gaskins referenced the NET rankings as heavily favoring power conferences, but I'd say the NET is far better than the RPI was, from what I have seen. To be clear, Zimmer wasn't dogging on the Jacks, just being realistic about their lack of a chance at an at-large. Gaskins does a good job at creating interest by "poking the bear". Yeah sorry John...thats going to be a big 0% chance of at large. 99 in the NET and 86 n Kenpom behind a lot of mediocre/crappy power 5 teams and much more deserving mid majors Furman, Toledo, Murray State,etc.
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Post by dave on Feb 27, 2019 7:59:01 GMT -6
I caught bits and pieces of the show yesterday and I think John was trying to make the argument for more mid majors getting at large bids vs high majors with sub 500 conference record. It had something to do with an article written by Seth Davis in the Athletic, tried to read it but I'm not a subscriber, may need to subscribe there has been some good stuff coming from the Athletic.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 27, 2019 8:13:50 GMT -6
I caught bits and pieces of the show yesterday and I think John was trying to make the argument for more mid majors getting at large bids vs high majors with sub 500 conference record. It had something to do with an article written by Seth Davis in the Athletic, tried to read it but I'm not a subscriber, may need to subscribe there has been some good stuff coming from the Athletic. I agree with allowing more mid-majors in, but I think John was just trying to start a controversial discussion for listener interest. Under the current system State doesn’t have a valid argument. I will say that the NET has been a positive step for mid-majors. The Jacks RPI is something like 113, for example. Kenpom would be better, but I’ll take progress towards that. I think the NET will get tweaked each year to be closer to Kenpom (and Sagarin, et. all)
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 27, 2019 8:23:30 GMT -6
Likely finish (IMO) 1 UNO 14-2 (2 wins vs PFW breaks tie) 2 SDSU 14-2 3 PFW 11-5 (win vs SDSU breaks tie if needed) 4 NDSU 9-7 5 ORU 6-10 (wins head-to head) 6 USD 6-10 7 UND 5-11 (wins head-to-head) 8 WIU 5-11 Den 2-14 The Fort Wayne-NDSU game, and the South Dakota-North Dakota game will have seeding implications, but the way the men's games have gone, who really knows what the final seeding will be? Here's is how I would like to see everything shake out, and we have a pretty decent chance of it happening. We need to win two home games vs the ND schools and UNO needs to beat ORU. 1. UNO 2. SDSU 3. IPFW 4. NDSU 5. USD 6. ORU 7. UND 8. WIU Beating NDSU and UNO to get to the Championship would be very realistic. That's not what I would be betting to happen, but it certainly wouldn't be shocking if we were to pull that off. It would be much more of a long shot if we had to go through SDSU and IPFW to get the championship.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 27, 2019 9:10:40 GMT -6
I could see that happening, with the way our Yotes are playing right now. My scenario had us losing to NDSU. These last couple of conference games will be key.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 27, 2019 14:04:40 GMT -6
I didn't realize UNO had the inside track for the 1 seed. Beat ORU and Denver and it's theirs.
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 1, 2019 8:35:32 GMT -6
Damn did UNO let us down last night. I was really hoping we could get the 5 seed and UNO the 1. As it stand now, assuming we beat UND our first round opponent should be IPFW. I rather have had NDSU, but oh well, we should still be looking at UNO in the second round if we were to beat IPFW. Is Oral already guaranteed the 5 seed? I see UND could tie them but I think Oral gets the tiebreaker because of a win over UNO, is that right? If we lose we get the 7, if we win we get the 6. I would probably rather play UNO in the first round over IPFW, but I rather go into the SLT having won our last two games. If we lose at home to UND to end the year I won't be loving our chances to make much noise in the SLT.
Looks like State and Western will be squaring off in the first round once again. Western has almost pulled the 1 v 8 upset two years in a row. They took us to OT and last year they had State beat until the refs took over down the stretch of that game. Then when the Western coach didn't like it they T'd him up and that was that. I'm not holding my breath for an upset this year, but I wasn't last year either and it damn near happened, so you never know.
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Post by easmus on Mar 1, 2019 8:53:26 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 1, 2019 9:20:31 GMT -6
Mar 1 updated Standings:
? SDSU 13-2--WIU ? UNO 12-3---@den
3 PFW 9-6-----NDSU 4 NDSU 8-7---@pfw 5 ORU 7-9
? USD 6-9-----UND ? UND 6-9-----usd
?WIU 4-11----@sdsu ?Den 3-12----UNO
SDSU/Omaha = 1/2 seed. SDSU gets the 1 with a win or an Omaha loss. Omaha wins a tie.
PFW = 3 seed (wins tie) NDSU = 4 seed ORU = 5 seed (wins ties over USD [H2H] and UND [2W vs Omaha])
USD/UND = 6/7 seed based on Saturday H2H.
WIU/Den = 8/9 seed. exact same scenario as SDSU/Omaha. WIU can get in with a win or a Den loss. Den would win a tie.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 1, 2019 9:22:26 GMT -6
Damnit easmus! Could have saved me some calculating... j/k it was fun anyway.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 1, 2019 9:26:42 GMT -6
So basically we are the 6 or 7 seed, and will have to beat all three of SDSU/Omaha/PFW to win the tourney (assuming none of them are upset).
Oh, well. Let's get it.
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