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Post by kiyoat on Dec 17, 2018 15:42:07 GMT -6
I had an opinion poll on this earlier this year, but I wanted to get a fresh take. In the previous poll, 7 of 24 respondents said they were not opposed to Augie in the Summit. (29%). I'm interested to see if the numbers are different, now that we know they will be attempting to get in.
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 17, 2018 15:53:06 GMT -6
I voted undecided/don't care. Is that the proper attitude? What I'd really like to know is how do Western Illinois, Denver, and Oral Roberts feel as I think their opinions matter more than do those in the Dakotas who probably will have a Sanford gun held to their collective heads.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 17, 2018 16:43:23 GMT -6
Go visit their message boards and blogs. The answer is "Hell no, and it's time to get out of this "Dakota" conference". WIU board mentions the OVC as their desired landing spot for all sports and that it would probably help their football program as they would have more success there and can't keep up with the spending on football in the MVFC. ORU board is a "no" and then a discussion of options ensues. Denver is a strong "no". Their desired conference is the West Coast Conference and if they ever get an offer there, or in another viable western US conference, they are gone. Fort Wayne has one foot out the door already and I can't imagine are too keen on another Dakota trip. Can't find anything on Omaha but can't imagine they care one way or another. UND isn't indebted to Sanford money and their fans are wondering why the left the Big Sky so they could associate with Augie.
I don't know why we would alienate the rest of the conference that is not in the Dakotas. Why is Douple not making a push to add UNC and UMKC? They would be much more palatable to the other conference members and would add some non-Dakota balance to the conference. I have no idea why we went through this entire transition and spent all this money on athletics just to be in the same conference as freaking Augustana. Who's next? Morningside? Maybe some Sanford money could move USF up too and then we can have 4 D1 schools in South Dakota. They'd be in the footprint...
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 17, 2018 16:52:34 GMT -6
I will definitely check these out. I wonder what the bunny take on this is? Been a few on here, but I'd be curious to know their overall take.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 17, 2018 17:11:37 GMT -6
If we are talking message boards being the "pulse of the fans opinions", I don't think that's a very fair assumption. Those of us on message boards represent a small demographic sampling of the fan base as a whole. And besides, fan's opinions matter, but not as much as boosters. And boosters opinions matter, but not as much as athletic departments, administators, etc... meaning we matter, but we aren't going to be consulted on what the department decides to do.
What you are getting from reading opposing fans message boards is interesting, but not necessarily representative IMO. Fort Wayne's board hasn't been commented on in like three years. Omaha has a Hockey-only board. Denver has a blog, with a handful of contributors. WIU's board is active, but again, it is the same few people commenting. I'd put ORU in that same category.
So you are left with:
Bisonville
SDSUfans
SiouxSports
GoYotes.net
as the only well-visited and active message boards in the conference. That alone tells you something about the conference, and what its priorities should be.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 17, 2018 18:50:02 GMT -6
I wonder what they are saying on the Augie fan board? Hint: one doesn't exist.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 17, 2018 19:58:45 GMT -6
Go visit their message boards and blogs. The answer is "Hell no, and it's time to get out of this "Dakota" conference". WIU board mentions the OVC as their desired landing spot for all sports and that it would probably help their football program as they would have more success there and can't keep up with the spending on football in the MVFC. ORU board is a "no" and then a discussion of options ensues. Denver is a strong "no". Their desired conference is the West Coast Conference and if they ever get an offer there, or in another viable western US conference, they are gone. Fort Wayne has one foot out the door already and I can't imagine are too keen on another Dakota trip. Can't find anything on Omaha but can't imagine they care one way or another. UND isn't indebted to Sanford money and their fans are wondering why the left the Big Sky so they could associate with Augie. I don't know why we would alienate the rest of the conference that is not in the Dakotas. Why is Douple not making a push to add UNC and UMKC? They would be much more palatable to the other conference members and would add some non-Dakota balance to the conference. I have no idea why we went through this entire transition and spent all this money on athletics just to be in the same conference as freaking Augustana. Who's next? Morningside? Maybe some Sanford money could move USF up too and then we can have 4 D1 schools in South Dakota. They'd be in the footprint... I've changed from OK with it to not trusting of Augie's main booster's motives. BUT I do wonder if SL is allowing Augie in connection with someone else? Maybe they are talking to UNC and UMKC? Or at least Mankato St or someone else transitioning to D1 with AU? Because Augie as a one-off transition from D2 seems like a bad plan for everyone. |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 17, 2018 20:03:35 GMT -6
Regarding UNO, they've already tried leaving for the MVC and Horizon. They aren't committed to the Summit.
With how aggressively Sanford is pursuing Minnesota and the Twin Cities maybe they'll pay Mankato and St Cloud's way too.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 17, 2018 20:22:33 GMT -6
I wonder what they are saying on the Augie fan board? Hint: one doesn't exist. Touché |
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 17, 2018 21:35:58 GMT -6
I checked out the following three schools and this is what I arrived at:
Oral Roberts- really couldn't find any comments one way or another. My speculation only, they are huge into baseball and the Summit basically gives them a free pass every season to the NCAA tournament. Do they want to risk that?
Western Illinois- one guy, "redneck" who is the same guy who was just trashing Nielson the week of our football game, was on a rant about the Ohio Valley. He's pretty much the reactionary extremist on their board so I really didn't get much of a feel in the big picture. Not too many others chipped in.
Denver- couldn't find a fan board, just some blogs with comments. One blogger was none too happy with Augie, but in the comment section (six total) "jeb" and "puck swami" were somewhat meh and even thought it might stir up more rivalry with UND and Omaha given the hockey angle. Doing some digging, I think they aspire to the WCAC, but from that conference's perspective Denver doesn't really match up sports too well, hockey, lacrosse and no aquatics, and no one is too thrilled flying east over the Rockies into a different time zone for one school. Denver would go in a heartbeat, but there doesn't seem to be any invite in the offing. I know their lacrosse competes in the Big East so there's always that.
Peeked at the bunny board too and they had a thread, but I didn't read it because it was a whole lot of pages so I imagine there are some strong opinions over there. Might be worth the effort.
Yote 53, I respect your opinion and your reasoning, but I'm somewhat resigned to the fact that if they want in, they're in. Like I said before, and it's my thought only, Sanford gun to the head of both USD and SDSU. I'll chalk it up to the ego of one rich guy who's not Denny. Maybe a school(s) bolt, but I don't see a lot of options for them either. Some people seem to look down their noses at UMKC, but I don't think they'd be that bad of an addition. They fit the footprint, also safety in numbers and all that. That's a school the conference should be targeting. Maybe they are.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 17, 2018 23:43:00 GMT -6
Regarding UNO, they've already tried leaving for the MVC and Horizon. They aren't committed to the Summit. With how aggressively Sanford is pursuing Minnesota and the Twin Cities maybe they'll pay Mankato and St Cloud's way too. You can look this up, Minnesota told Sanford to pound sand. They tried to takeover/merger with one of the hospital systems up there a few years ago, 2013 I think, that included the U of M medical school. Lots of tough questions got asked of Sanford and, I'm being nice, it wasn't pretty. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 17, 2018 23:44:51 GMT -6
I checked out the following three schools and this is what I arrived at: Oral Roberts- really couldn't find any comments one way or another. My speculation only, they are huge into baseball and the Summit basically gives them a free pass every season to the NCAA tournament. Do they want to risk that? Western Illinois- one guy, "redneck" who is the same guy who was just trashing Nielson the week of our football game, was on a rant about the Ohio Valley. He's pretty much the reactionary extremist on their board so I really didn't get much of a feel in the big picture. Not too many others chipped in. Denver- couldn't find a fan board, just some blogs with comments. One blogger was none too happy with Augie, but in the comment section (six total) "jeb" and "puck swami" were somewhat meh and even thought it might stir up more rivalry with UND and Omaha given the hockey angle. Doing some digging, I think they aspire to the WCAC, but from that conference's perspective Denver doesn't really match up sports too well, hockey, lacrosse and no aquatics, and no one is too thrilled flying east over the Rockies into a different time zone for one school. Denver would go in a heartbeat, but there doesn't seem to be any invite in the offing. I know their lacrosse competes in the Big East so there's always that. Peeked at the bunny board too and they had a thread, but I didn't read it because it was a whole lot of pages so I imagine there are some strong opinions over there. Might be worth the effort. Yote 53, I respect your opinion and your reasoning, but I'm somewhat resigned to the fact that if they want in, they're in. Like I said before, and it's my thought only, Sanford gun to the head of both USD and SDSU. I'll chalk it up to the ego of one rich guy who's not Denny. Maybe a school(s) bolt, but I don't see a lot of options for them either. Some people seem to look down their noses at UMKC, but I don't think they'd be that bad of an addition. They fit the footprint, also safety in numbers and all that. That's a school the conference should be targeting. Maybe they are. I'm resigned to the fact too, but maintain it's not good for us or SDSU. Augie will be an anchor around our necks and this conference's neck. This is a really bad idea. |
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Post by aldewitt on Dec 18, 2018 5:25:54 GMT -6
UND can’t afford the Big Sky. They should know that after cancelling baseball and their pride: women’s hockey while in the Big Sky. In addition they are starting to realize they will be a bottom feeder in the MVFC. Their defense against that is their undeserved arrogance.
Its the presidents that decide.
UMKC would be the next logical member.
None of the schools that sooth the ego are interested in including any of the Dakotas. The outsiders on other boards said the same thing about every Dakota school that moved up.
If the big time is your goal go to Hollywood or move back east. That’s big time. Around here we are a bunch of hicks. Those message boards aren’t complimenting any of us when they run Augie down. We are in Hicksville. Embrace it. The best is rubbing their face in it. NDSU is doing a wonderful job of that. KSU fans look down their nose at a coach that runs circles around their overated, bloated program.
if of course your goal is to get them to pat you on the head then by all means play the role of the superior Augie because we are all hicks and targeted as the bloody chicken by those whose approval some covet.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 18, 2018 6:02:00 GMT -6
Regarding UNO, they've already tried leaving for the MVC and Horizon. They aren't committed to the Summit. With how aggressively Sanford is pursuing Minnesota and the Twin Cities maybe they'll pay Mankato and St Cloud's way too. You can look this up, Minnesota told Sanford to pound sand. They tried to takeover/merger with one of the hospital systems up there a few years ago, 2013 I think, that included the U of M medical school. Lots of tough questions got asked of Sanford and, I'm being nice, it wasn't pretty. True story, and add to that the prior rejection of Sanford by his Alma mater U of M when he wanted to donate a large sum towards the new football stadium. From what I remember, he wanted naming rights and wanted some kind of creative control over the design? That was the first time they told him to pound sand, I believe. It ended up working out well for SF and SDSU/USD, because that may have been the start of his athletic giving around here. Obviously there is a downside, as we are now beholden to a donor that likes to control those he gives to. |
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 18, 2018 14:49:27 GMT -6
With 25 votes in, Here are the results:
4 strong support
4 somewhat support
1 undecided
8 somewhat against
8 strongly against
so the poll earlier this year was 29% not opposed, 71% opposed. And now we have 9/25(36%) not opposed. A slight increase, but clearly there is still a majority 16/25(64%) that are opposed to Augie.
I have no idea if the voters are all Coyote fans, or if there are substantial Jacks/Bison/Sioux/Vikings participating. Interesting that there is at least some correlation between the two polls.
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