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Post by kiyoat on Mar 7, 2019 10:06:08 GMT -6
... The school I wouldn't mind seeing being kicked to the curb would be Youngstown. They're so far out of our footprint and are the only school in neither the MVC nor Summit. I don't know if they'd mind all that much either. They are a "convenience" member that is just biding its time IMO. They want in the MAC badly, but were turned down. Kinda like Denver and the WCC/MWC. They are only here because they can't be somewhere else. If they left the MVFC, but stayed in FCS.... Where would they go? They are actually a geographic outlier in basically any FCS league, but are far closer to three conferences than the MVFC: 1. Northeast Conference: they are very close to three NEC members that are in West PA: Robert Morris, Duquesne and Saint Francis. For football they wouldn't fit the profile. Too weak of a conference. 2. Patriot League: again an outlier, but far closer than the MVFC. Again, a huge step down in competition. One advantage: only 7 current FB members means they would have freedom to schedule four non-con games, plus almost a guaranteed yearly playoff spot. 3. Colonial Athletic: This makes the most sense. Not a big step down in competitiveness/ prestige, and a much smaller travel budget. NINE Colonial schools are closer to YSU than Indiana State! Big minus: they currently have 12 FB members. Why add a 13th?
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 7, 2019 10:46:02 GMT -6
You have to remember that the MVFC/Gateway prior to the 4 Dakota school entries had a geographic center of approx. the Illinois/Indiana state line. UNI was the northern/western most member, YSU the easternmost, and Missouri State as the southern/western most point. The conference was geographically compact. The addition of the (now) 4 Dakota schools has tilted the conference west to the point that UNI is practically in the middle. It's not our place to call YSU "out of the footprint". We're the schools that are the outliers.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 7, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -6
Well, they ARE out of the current footprint. By many many miles. Nobody is going to be "kicked to the curb" anyway. Things change. The power of the conference, in terms of the best teams, and the geography has shifted west. I'd say the Dakota 4 have every bit as much right to call this our conference as any other team. Hell, YSU has only been in this conference 10 years longer than the xDSU's. They were independent before that.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 7, 2019 12:23:27 GMT -6
You have to remember that the MVFC/Gateway prior to the 4 Dakota school entries had a geographic center of approx. the Illinois/Indiana state line. UNI was the northern/western most member, YSU the easternmost, and Missouri State as the southern/western most point. The conference was geographically compact. The addition of the (now) 4 Dakota schools has tilted the conference west to the point that UNI is practically in the middle. It's not our place to call YSU "out of the footprint". We're the schools that are the outliers. I'd argue that the Dakota schools now hold a lot more sway in the MVFC than Youngstown does regardless of when we entered. As kiyoat indicated, the only thing keeping them here is for now is lack of a better option. They'll bail at the first opportunity whatever that may be.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 7, 2019 13:05:57 GMT -6
Don't doubt that one bit that they would bail. I've heard them rumored to the CAA for years.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 25, 2019 6:03:24 GMT -6
Had to laugh as it seems Und has their super bowl scheduled for 2021. NDSU will return to grand forks for the first time since they quit the series. By the time The Bison take the field it will have been 18 years since Und quit the series assuring the NCC they were in the conference to stay. they would shortly quit those school too. Hope they don't wet them selves at the prospect of the biggest game ever in GF. They haven't had a big game since they quit.
They found out its easy to quit but tough to get back in. Its all they got and its all they ever had.
With that Und should be integrated into all the MVFC schedules. They will skip UNI and the Sycamores for their first 2 years of conference play.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 25, 2019 7:31:43 GMT -6
Had to laugh as it seems Und has their super bowl scheduled for 2021. NDSU will return to grand forks for the first time since they quit the series. By the time The Bison take the field it will have been 18 years since Und quit the series assuring the NCC they were in the conference to stay. they would shortly quit those school too. Hope they don't wet them selves at the prospect of the biggest game ever in GF. They haven't had a big game since they quit. They found out its easy to quit but tough to get back in. Its all they got and its all they ever had. With that Und should be intergrated into all the MVFC schedules. They will skip UNI and the Sycamores for their first 2 years of conference play. So you come to the USD board to spout this drivel? USD has had a lot of big games with UND over the years since they broke up with the Bison, games that decided conference championships, etc. By saying UND hasn't had a big game in 18 years you are basically belittling our program too.
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 25, 2019 9:00:44 GMT -6
aldewitt is short for dimwitt most of the time. Be care what you wish for. UND destroyed 22nd ranked Montana last year 41-14. Just imagine if the vaunted bizon would lose to them? The shame, the heart rending, etc. Kinda like when the Yotes ended their 26 game home conference win streak when they had Wentz at QB! Guess that was a big game for the bizon and they LOST!!!
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Post by Yotes on Apr 25, 2019 9:01:43 GMT -6
Remember that time this guy said he wasn't an NDSU fan? Yet half his posts are belittling UND. Excellent content.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 25, 2019 9:13:05 GMT -6
My take is aldewitt has been a valued poster with facts and good information. Also has done a lot of statistical analysis providing “picks” and “predictions” for games that’s fun to read.
I also tire of the NDSU crap. I don’t care. When the comment was made about the 2021 game in Grand Forks being their “Super Bowl” it reminded me of all the crap we hear from up north and their self anointed superiority. The big brother / little brother stuff. My hope is the Sue knock the stuffings out of the Bizun.
At the end of the day I like Aldewitts posts but wish he would temper the BIZUN ARE SUPERIOR attitude he has. I think he’s a good guy, well intentioned that sometimes gets caught up in posting things on here we could care less about.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 26, 2019 7:17:05 GMT -6
I’m not too worried about any MVFC game. Some teams I like, NDSU, SDSU & USD are among them. We watch to see who wins. With the GAM I usually know ahead of time but it’s still fun.
The GAM hasn’t put NDSU on the losers end too often. It even predicted the KSU game (a team the Yotes should have beaten) and the Iowa win. You have to like a team like that. Take a look at their straight up odds any football weekend. Most bettors don’t think they will lose. That’s probably why NDSU has the largest regional/national fan base of any team in the Dakotas. Count me among the millions.
Taking notice of Youngstown (as some have done), Augie (I mention them more than UND) or any other MVFC team seems appropriate. Noticing the irony in UND fans wetting themselves to play a team they quit playing because of their pettiness 20 yrs ago is funny.
As far as the actual game I dont think the UND/Montana game is a guide. Last time the 2 teams met saw UND hopelessly outgunned. It was as bad as the USD 45-0 win. Beating a weak Montana team is a poor indicator of how they may do against the Bison. The best team they ever had was made a play-off laughing stock in one of the biggest televised chokes in history. They don’t have a body of impressive statistics to rely on and their talent level is sub par. If they should happen to win enjoy it. It would be a legendary upset and worth the time for any football fan to watch.
I’m going to dust off the GAM in a while but UND was never close to NDSU last year and I don't think things are going to change this year. They lost more than NDSU and have less capacity to replace it.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 26, 2019 11:48:08 GMT -6
What is the synopsis on Indy St this year? They were MUCH improved last year -- took the Yotes into 3 OTs where we eventually lost... should have beaten the bunnies and eventually lost to them in OT. then they beat the #22 ranked Redbirds the following week...
7-4 overall and I thought much deserving of a playoff berth, but were slighted by the playoff committee...
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Post by easmus on Apr 26, 2019 14:40:29 GMT -6
Don’t forget Teeds that the Indy St 7-4 record was skewed by 2 things. 1. NDSU was the team they didn’t play in MVFC schedule. That was an L for everyone else’s conference record. 2. One of those wins was against a D2 team, so I don’t believe it counts in the record the playoff committee considers. That’s also why we may laugh at an SDSU playing Ark-Pine Bluff. But at least AK-PB was FCS and “counts” towards the playoffs.
Don’t get me wrong, Indy St was much improved and their QB a stud. But their record wasn’t as simple as 7-4.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 26, 2019 16:31:03 GMT -6
Curt Mallory is the head coach with a lot of D1 recruiting connections and a good coach in his own right. I was surprised last season when the GAM had them rated so high. He was coming off his first year 0-11 I believe.
yep. I looked it up. Mallory was 2018 MVFC Coach of the year too. Biggest turn around in college football last Year.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 26, 2019 19:13:43 GMT -6
The good news is that it shows you a team can rebound quickly. I was at the Indiana State game and we had it won except for a very very stupid personal foul penalty at the end of the game or else it was over. The Coyotes are right there. My understanding is Simmons had a FANTASTIC spring and grew big time as a leader. If our O line can get it going and not bogged down,I’m cautiously optimistic for this year.
I really liked Coach Moose a lot, but the decision was made to bring in a very innovative D coordinator, and a D coordinator that has a lot of schemes to match his players strengths can mask some shortcomings. Pieces still need to fall into place but I’m starting to get a warm and fuzzy feeling about this years team.
In conclusion, Coach Mallory has the pedigree. He won’t be there long. On the other hand, our head coach is a proven winner. I like our chances.
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