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Post by yoteforever on Jun 22, 2019 7:26:11 GMT -6
I have been a volleyball enthusiast for a number of years I could help if needed as well. Perfect. Chime in anytime. Let’s start
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 22, 2019 7:44:49 GMT -6
Basic rules 101:
Play a best 3 out of 5 sets to determine match winner. Games to 25 but must win by 2. If tied after 4, final set is played to 15. Again win by 2
Each serve counts as a point as opposed to yesteryear. You can score serving or on serve receive. Every point matters.
6 girls on the floor at all times. Typically there’s a setter and 2-3 attackers along with 2-3 back row players. We will get into that later
Coaches can substitute players throughout the set. A team is limited to a total of 12 maximum substitutions per set. Teams typically substitute a front row player for a back row player and vice versa. Each time possession changes after a point, the team that will serve has to rotate one position. So if you have a back row player that now must move to the front left, typically a coach will substitute a taller player for hitting and blocking purposes. That said, there are some gals that can play both front and back because they have all the skill sets. In that same rotation where the back row player comes out and they sub in a front row player, keep in mind that the person in front right must now rotate to the server position. There might be a substitution there as well. Again the idea is to get your best back row players in the back and front row players in the front as often as you can. If games go back and forth and beyond 25 and you are out of the (12) substitutions, you must play out the set with who is ever on the floor at the time.
There is also a position called libero. That’s the young lady that wears the opposite color jersey as her teammate so she can easily be identified. She can go into a game to play back row for any player without the team being charged a substitution. In other words, she is on the floor about 90% of the time and each time she enters the match it does not go against your (12) substitution limit. They don’t have to stand by the ref and be waived in by the floor ref, they simply enter the match behind the 10’ line and the exiting player exits behind the 10’ line. More times than not, she enters the match for the middle blockers. She can also enter the match and serve, but for only one of the people she goes in for. I’d SUE is our libero and MARY our middle blocker, and SUE enters the match for MARY, she can serve for MARY. However, if the other middle blockers name is JOAN, she can only enter the match for JOAN once JOAN is done serving. In other words, she isn’t in the set at that time and the team operates without a libero.
Ok...I’m going to post this so it doesn’t get so lengthy each time. I’ll move on. Bob, chime in at any time or correct me if you see an error.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 22, 2019 8:02:25 GMT -6
WAYS TO SCORE:
1. The team puts the ball on the floor inside or on the line that makes up the boundaries of the court. If any part of the ball is deemed to have touched the line the ball is considered in. 2. If you serve and the team fails to bring the ball across the net within the 3 allotted touches, you score a point. That can include shanks. Out of bounds attacks, balls hit into the net, etc 3. If the other team has a player that touches the net a point will be awarded to the offending team. That can happen during the attack where during the downstroke her hand touches the net, or if you are on defense trying to block the other teams attack and you touch the net, the other side gets the point. 4. You score if the other team puts the ball on the floor outside the lines or outside the antenna. In other words, any ball that goes into the other teams court must have cleared inside the antenna at the time of the attack, or it will be deemed out. 5. You score when you block the other teams attack and the ball lands on the floor of your opponent without crossing the net. Side note: if one girl is solely responsible for the block she will be awarded a “solo block” in the game stats. If two or more girls participate on the block ( called setting a wall ) and the ball is blocked, each player will be awarded a block assist for game stats. 6. You score if the other team serves and the ball goes into the net or out of bounds on the serve 7. You score if one player “touches” the ball twice in succession. It’s called a double hit. You’ll see the official blow the whistle and hold up two fingers. That means a player touched it twice in a row. Often times happens when receiving a serve or a setter doesn’t get a clean set and the ball sorta goes from one hand to the other very quickly but officials are trained to see that. 8. In order to score the ball must be put down from a front row player anywhere on the court or from a back row player behind the 10’ line. In other words, a back row player cannot attack the ball from in front of 10’ line. If a back row player is in front of the 10’ line they can place the ball over into opponents side but not jumping or attacking. Simply being flat footed. 9. A team can score if the opponent uses a back row player to block at the net. Simply put, back row players cannot block at the net. 10. A team will score a point if the opponents team is out of rotation at the time of the serve. We’ll get more into that later on strategies.
For the most part this catches the vast majority of scoring opportunities. Thee are others but rarely see them
Any questions??
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Post by elcoyote on Jun 22, 2019 9:05:14 GMT -6
Thanks for taking the time to do this. That's a lot of extremely helpful information to digest, none of which I had any clue about before. If I go to a game this fall, I'm sure I'd reread this once or twice before I went.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 22, 2019 9:32:35 GMT -6
We’re just starting. You’ll be a junkie by fall. Lol
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 22, 2019 13:01:58 GMT -6
I think the information you provided is very accurate. Thank You for doing it. A couple of misc. additions.... Coaches are also allowed 2 timeouts per set. One nuance coaches use is a substitution of a player into the back row for the sole purpose of serving and then they rotate out.
I will throw in one fun game term.... pancake. No this is not what the players eat during pregame meals but rather a defensive term for a player diving on the court placing their hand flat on the court, in order to keep the ball from hitting the floor and saving a point. The current team's defense thrive at performing this play.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 22, 2019 15:55:52 GMT -6
Strategies: Setter play
There are (2) different offenses that coaches run in college volleyball. They will either run a 5 1 or a 6 2. The second number determines the different number of setters the coach plans to use in a match. In the 5 1 the setter will stay in the game the entire time. So when she rotates from the back row to the front, that now means she only has (2) effective hitters she can set to. That’s because she is the third person in the front. So by using a 5 1 offense you give up some stack options when she’s playing front row. Once she gets back to the back row, she now has a full compliment of attackers she can set because there are (3) attackers in the front. Left, middle, and right side.
In a 6 2 offense there are (2) things a coach feels like they have a competitive advantage on. First, the coach feels like their team is much better at blocking the ball than they are at back row defense. If you get blocks, or even touches slowing down the ball, you don’t need the full compliment of back row players. So in the 6 2, every time the setter in the floor rotates to the front, they sub her out and replace her with a front row attacker. In that same rotation where the setter goes to the front, there’s a front rsw player that rotates to the back. The coach subs that gal out and replaces her with setter #2. Once again, you now have 3 front row attackers and a back row setter.
There’s some food for thought. We’ll expand on that more next post
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 22, 2019 23:39:44 GMT -6
Good stuff! This is a big eye-opener for me. I knew about rotation from playing in PE classes, and Rec teams, but I didn’t realize how the different positions had to conform to rotation with substitutions. That’s a level of complexity you don’t notice just by watching a lot of matche.
Thanks for the primer. Very good stuff for me. Although I’d possibly suggest more of a simple explanation of “dig, set, spike” for a new novice volleyball watcher....
Also, if anyone is confused about scoring, keep in mind that sets and games are the same thing in volleyball (unlike tennis). A final volley in tennis is stereotypically (and accurately) called “game, set, match”. But in volleyball it would more accurately be: “point, game/set, match”. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 23, 2019 7:45:18 GMT -6
Good stuff! This is a big eye-opener for me. I knew about rotation from playing in PE classes, and Rec teams, but I didn’t realize how the different positions had to conform to rotation with substitutions. That’s a level of complexity you don’t notice just by watching a lot of matche. Thanks for the primer. Very good stuff for me. Although I’d possibly suggest more of a simple explanation of “dig, set, spike” for a new novice volleyball watcher.... Also, if anyone is confused about scoring, keep in mind that sets and games are the same thing in volleyball (unlike tennis). A final volley in tennis is stereotypically (and accurately) called “game, set, match”. But in volleyball it would more accurately be: “point, game/set, match”. Hopefully that makes sense. Good point. Each team is allotted 3 “touches” on their side of the court before the ball has to go back over the net. You also can send it over the first or second touching, there’s no rule regarding that. But when your opponent attacks the ball onto your side the first touch is usually where the defender prohibits the ball from touching the floor and attempts to pass the ball cleanly to the setter. That’s the PASS. Once the pass is received the setter now SETS the ball to one of her attackers so they can try to put the ball to the floor of their opponent to ascertain a point. That third “touch” is called the attack. If the attacker is successful in doing so, that’s also called terminating the point. So in review: Pass: The actual pass from the first touch to the setter Set: This is where the setter moves the ball to one of her attackers to attempt to terminate Attack: The last phase of pass, set, attack. Where the hitters take the set and try to put the ball down on opponents side
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 23, 2019 8:02:45 GMT -6
Ways to score:
1. Pass, set and attack is successful 2. Often your opponents are perceived as very good blocking teams. So if that’s the case, on the third “touch” if the hitter sees a solid block in front of them or more than one blocker across the net side by side, that’s called setting a wall. So as your opponents go up to block your attack and the hitter feels like she can’t power the ball through, she will “tip” the ball so that it slowly goes over the outstretched hands of the defense so they can’t block it, but not so high that they can land back down and recover and get the ball. The “tip” is designed to hit the floor before the defense recovers. Back row players are trained to stand behind the block to get the tip but often they are still deep in anticipating a hard ball coming through. 3. The setter dumps the ball. Very good setters are reading defenses across the net from them as to try and pick up a clue where the defense is vulnerable. Sometimes players across the net leave early to go to a spot on the floor to block the ball. If a setter sees that, instead of “setting” the ball to her attacker she will attempt to dump the ball across the net quickly into a “hole” created by defenders leaving early. That’s called a setters dump. 4. You score if you attack the ball and your opponent touches the ball and then goes out of bounds. You get the point because opponent was last one to touch 5. You score if your opponent hits the ball into the net and fails to cross over 6. You score if your opponents attacks go wide or long and no one on your team was deemed as touching the ball 7. You score if you serve the ball and your opponent doesn’t bring it back over. ACE 8. You score if your opponent serves the ball into the net or goes long ( like the attack ) 9. You score if one or more of your opponents were called for being into the net with hands or body
There are probably one or two I’m not thinking of but this would catch 99% of the typical scoring in a match
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 23, 2019 14:04:09 GMT -6
Not a rule but more a USD Volleyball Tradition.. When USD has a set point and at match point and they are receiving the ball... the crowd yells "U" the second touch.... The crowd yells... "S" the 3rd Touch or attack... the crowd yells... "D". This will be repeated until they get the win or it is no longer a match point for USD.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 24, 2019 8:31:10 GMT -6
... Each team is allotted 3 “touches” ...before the ball has to go back over the net. ...the first touch is usually .. the PASS... Just a point of clarification on blocking and touches (correct me if I'm wrong): Block attempts are sometimes not counted as one of the three touches, right? I'll give you a few scenarios, and you tell me if I'm wrong: 1. Opponent attacks with a spike at the net. The home team sends two blockers up, and the block is successful. This means that they deflect the ball back to the opponent, and it hits the floor inbounds on the opponent's side. In this case, the block is a touch, because essentially there was just one touch. It also scores a point, regardless of who served. (Rally scoring) It also shows up in the stats as a "Block". If one player touched the ball it is a solo block. If two players touched it, or it's just hard to tell who touched it, Each player appears with 1/2 a block in the stats. 2. Opponent attacks with a spike. The home team sends two blockers up, and the block appears successful at first, but the ball lands just out-of-bounds on the opponent's side. (on the line is in, just like tennis) The opposing team scores a point. Although this has all the appearance of a block, unsuccessful block attempts do not show up in stats as a block unless they are successful. This can be confusing if you are new to VB stats, like I am. Having a handful of blocks in a game is a big deal. As an analogy, think of "hits" in baseball/softball. players actually hit the ball a lot more than they have "hits" in the stats, because only sucessful on-base hits are counted. Also, in this case the block is counted as a touch, obviously. 3. Opponent attacks with a spike. The home team sends up a blocker, and the ball appears to go right through her hands. The ball was over-hit, and lands just outside the base-line. The home crowd cheers, but it is followed by confusion, as the net umpire makes the call that it was, in fact, touched by the blocker at the net. The point is awarded to the opponent. In this case, the block is also counted as a touch. That small, almost imperceptible touch was the difference in the point. 4. Opponent attacks with a very hard spike at the net. The home team sends up two blockers that make a valiant attempt at stopping the ball, and almost do. They both touch the ball, and take out most of the momentum, but the ball then weakly deflects over both of their heads, falling perilously toward the "hole" in the center of the court. Luckily for the home team, they have a star defensive player (as the Yotes do) with very quick reflexes. This back-court player dives for the ball, and is able to get a hand under it just in time, possibly saving the point.... tune in to a Coyote match to see what happens next.... Not only is this an exciting scenario, and a good reason to watch volleyball, it is also an example of when the block is not counted as a touch. In this case, the "dig" or "pass" is counted as the first touch, and the home team still has an opportunity to set and spike (attack) the ball. Right?
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 24, 2019 8:33:04 GMT -6
Also, is "dig, set, spike" synonymous with "pass, set, attack" or is there a difference? I'm more familiar with the former.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 24, 2019 13:47:44 GMT -6
... Each team is allotted 3 “touches” ...before the ball has to go back over the net. ...the first touch is usually .. the PASS... Just a point of clarification on blocking and touches (correct me if I'm wrong): Block attempts are sometimes not counted as one of the three touches, right? I'll give you a few scenarios, and you tell me if I'm wrong: 1. Opponent attacks with a spike at the net. The home team sends two blockers up, and the block is successful. This means that they deflect the ball back to the opponent, and it hits the floor inbounds on the opponent's side. In this case, the block is a touch, because essentially there was just one touch. It also scores a point, regardless of who served. (Rally scoring) It also shows up in the stats as a "Block". If one player touched the ball it is a solo block. If two players touched it, or it's just hard to tell who touched it, Each player appears with 1/2 a block in the stats. 2. Opponent attacks with a spike. The home team sends two blockers up, and the block appears successful at first, but the ball lands just out-of-bounds on the opponent's side. (on the line is in, just like tennis) The opposing team scores a point. Although this has all the appearance of a block, unsuccessful block attempts do not show up in stats as a block unless they are successful. This can be confusing if you are new to VB stats, like I am. Having a handful of blocks in a game is a big deal. As an analogy, think of "hits" in baseball/softball. players actually hit the ball a lot more than they have "hits" in the stats, because only sucessful on-base hits are counted. Also, in this case the block is counted as a touch, obviously. 3. Opponent attacks with a spike. The home team sends up a blocker, and the ball appears to go right through her hands. The ball was over-hit, and lands just outside the base-line. The home crowd cheers, but it is followed by confusion, as the net umpire makes the call that it was, in fact, touched by the blocker at the net. The point is awarded to the opponent. In this case, the block is also counted as a touch. That small, almost imperceptible touch was the difference in the point. 4. Opponent attacks with a very hard spike at the net. The home team sends up two blockers that make a valiant attempt at stopping the ball, and almost do. They both touch the ball, and take out most of the momentum, but the ball then weakly deflects over both of their heads, falling perilously toward the "hole" in the center of the court. Luckily for the home team, they have a star defensive player (as the Yotes do) with very quick reflexes. This back-court player dives for the ball, and is able to get a hand under it just in time, possibly saving the point.... tune in to a Coyote match to see what happens next.... Not only is this an exciting scenario, and a good reason to watch volleyball, it is also an example of when the block is not counted as a touch. In this case, the "dig" or "pass" is counted as the first touch, and the home team still has an opportunity to set and spike (attack) the ball. Right? For the most part, yes. Let’s go through each one. 1. Yes on scoring. A block is not considered a touch though. Irrelevant anyway because the ball goes down in your example. 2. You’re right when you say the opponent scores when the result of the block goes out of bounds on opponents side. One correction is if you successfully block the ball from coming into your zone BUT the ball goes out of bounds on opponents side of the court as a result of that attempted block, it will go into the books as a blocking error or BE. One phrase coaches use in certain game type scenarios is called TOOLING THE BLOCK. Let’s say the setter pushes the ball out to left side and your opponent has a wall in place. Players are trained to take a swing at the ball in a manner where they are sorta “cutting” the ball so when it hits the blockers hands it spins off them out of bounds. Players will “tool the block” when it appears almost impossible to hit through or around the block. By cutting the ball it creates a swing pattern where the right arm is almost swinging across her body instead of straight so the ball begins that right to left motion and is exaggerated even more when it hits opponents hands. 3. Correct. Again a block or the touching of an attempted block is not considered a touch. Think about when the opponent attacks and are blockers touch the ball, it goes up in the air but is in play on our side of the net. You still can pass, set, and attack. The touching on a block does not count as first touch 4. Correct
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 24, 2019 14:42:52 GMT -6
Outstanding questions and Awesome responses. I would concur on the observation on the excellent back row defenders. They are all very instinctive and volleyball IQ smart. They study their opponents and pick up on their tendencies. One thing to note... USD made it to the NCAA championships with a freshman setter who under Coach Williamson's tutelage (she too was a setter) should only get better at making in game decisions. Defense is the where the Coyotes hang their hats.
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