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Post by elcoyote on Jun 25, 2019 17:44:11 GMT -6
You people should author a book; call it, let's say, "Volleyball for Dummies". Really nice job on explaining a lot of things. Thanks!
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 25, 2019 18:58:02 GMT -6
Yoteforever managed to Bobbize the game of volleyball. Manage to make it so even Bob could understand!!!! LOL Great Job!!!
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 25, 2019 19:47:18 GMT -6
Lineups
There are some things to think about when discussing your lineups. Positions are: left sides, middle blockers, right sides, setters, liberos and defensive specialists.
Here are some things to understand about each position.
LEFT SIDES : They obviously play on the offensives left side. They are 99.99% of the time right handed, which means they attack with their right hand. That way the ball doesn’t “cross” their body on the set. There are (2) left sides that play. When they rotate to the back row on a side out to serve, the other “left side” comes into the game and a defensive back row player exits.
RIGHT SIDES: They are on the offensive right side. From a mechanical standpoint, right side players are hopefully left handed, opposite of left side p,Ayers. Same reasoning. So the ball doesnt cross their body. When a right side player is in the game that means you have (3) front row attackers in the set at that time. When the right side player rotates to back row to serve, the setter now transitions to the front, leaving you now with only (2) front row attackers. Left side and middle. The 3rd player in front row is the setter. Remember in matches where the setter will set the ball to a back row players behind the 10’ line? This usually happens when you have only 2 front row attackers and you don’t want to be predictable.
MIDDLE BLOCKERS: There are (2) middles. Typically taller. Their job is to attack from center but block or block assist from half way to left side to half way to the right side. Middle blockers have a large territory they cover.
SETTERS: They set the ball
LIBERO: They are back row players who come freely into the game without counting as a substitution. They are the ones that wear the opposite color jersey. If the Coyotes are wearing red the libero will wear white. Hustlers. Great feel for the game. They are in the game simply to keep the ball in play.
DEFENSIVE SPECIALISTS: They sub into the match for front row players rotating to back row.
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 25, 2019 20:09:13 GMT -6
The only addition I could think of is ... Those that enter the game for the sole purpose of serving and then rotate out. Nice Lineup explanation!!! This change would go against the # of substitutions within a set.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 26, 2019 7:07:21 GMT -6
The only addition I could think of is ... Those that enter the game for the sole purpose of serving and then rotate out. Nice Lineup explanation!!! This change would go against the # of substitutions within a set. I thought of that but ignored it because very few times does it happen because of the reason you listed at the end. It counts as one of the 12 official substitutions. But good point to bring up. I would imagine they are referred to as serving specialists although I’ve never heard the term. Time for question about any facet of the game. The more you understand it the better the game becomes.
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 26, 2019 11:56:31 GMT -6
If you are trying to keep track of the substitutions it can be confusing with the libero's ability to re-enter the games without counting against the number. Keep in mind each substitution must check in with the official and be given the ok prior to the move. You can keep track during this process.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 26, 2019 15:23:17 GMT -6
All of this gives me even more respect for volleyball coaches. Trying to decide when and whom to substitute must be difficult when your substitutions are limited. This is unlike basketball and football, both sports with unlimited substitutions. The forced rotation, and limits on back-court players seems to create a strategic game-within-the-game. Like 3D chess. I certainly couldn't do it.
It also makes versatile players that much more valuable, so you can reserve substitutions, I would guess. Lolo W. and H. Dotseth come to mind.
Not knowing about rotation and substitution certainly doesn't detract from enjoying watching a match, though. The "exciting" moments in a match are pretty accessible, frequent, and easy to understand: for example...
- A powerful, violent spike that cannot be defended, sometimes glancing off of helpless defenders. Like a dunk in basketball, or a sack in football. (except it happens more often)
- A dominating block at the net can be demoralizing. Similar to an Umude or Sjerven block.
- A Setter dump, or an off-speed attack can be sneaky. Like misdirection plays in Football.
- A desparate, diving "pancake" dig that saves the point is like a diving outfield catch in baseball/softball, or a one-handed catch in football.
Like Yote53 said: "just start watching it." You'll like it.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 26, 2019 15:26:14 GMT -6
If you don't mind, I'd like to hear more about the "Libero" position. I believe that our Anne usually plays that position (indicated by her contrasting jersey). The rules for that position kind-of break all the other rules. They used to not be able to serve, but they can now, I believe.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 26, 2019 19:39:25 GMT -6
If you don't mind, I'd like to hear more about the "Libero" position. I believe that our Anne usually plays that position (indicated by her contrasting jersey). The rules for that position kind-of break all the other rules. They used to not be able to serve, but they can now, I believe.[/quote For starters, Liberos are in the set for the sole purpose of playing defense. They can’t block or attempt to block ay any time. Liberos can’t attack the ball anywhere on the floor if on contact with the ball the ball is higher than the net. A libero can push the ball over at any point if the ball is below the net. Many times when teams mishandle the ball and it’s apparent they are not going to attack because the passing game broke down you’ll see liberos stand flat foot and just hit it over to keep the ball in play. As noted earlier there’s no substitution when the libero comes into the match. They enter the floor from behind the 10’ line and the replaced player exits the same way. Or all substitutions take place at the net where the official blows the whistle and rotates their hands as a signal that a proper substitution has taken place. The official that presided over that is called the down official. Liberos can serve, but once they have that’s the only rotation they can serve in. They are limited to that one spot, or in other words, one of the six slots on the floor. Let’s say we are in serve receive and our front right position is SUSAN. After a couple exchanges we get a block and get a side out. Time to rotate. SUSAN now goes back to the serving spot ( spot 1 ). The coach decides they want the libero to serve and not SUSAN. Let’s say our opponent gets a side out. They rotate. But the next time our libero can serve is when it’s SUSANS turn again. 6 rotations.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 26, 2019 19:40:01 GMT -6
If you don't mind, I'd like to hear more about the "Libero" position. I believe that our Anne usually plays that position (indicated by her contrasting jersey). The rules for that position kind-of break all the other rules. They used to not be able to serve, but they can now, I believe.[/quote For starters, Liberos are in the set for the sole purpose of playing defense. They can’t block or attempt to block ay any time. Liberos can’t attack the ball anywhere on the floor if on contact with the ball the ball is higher than the net. A libero can push the ball over at any point if the ball is below the net. Many times when teams mishandle the ball and it’s apparent they are not going to attack because the passing game broke down you’ll see liberos stand flat foot and just hit it over to keep the ball in play. As noted earlier there’s no substitution when the libero comes into the match. They enter the floor from behind the 10’ line and the replaced player exits the same way. Or all substitutions take place at the net where the official blows the whistle and rotates their hands as a signal that a proper substitution has taken place. The official that presided over that is called the down official. Liberos can serve, but once they have that’s the only rotation they can serve in. They are limited to that one spot, or in other words, one of the six slots on the floor. Let’s say we are in serve receive and our front right position is SUSAN. After a couple exchanges we get a block and get a side out. Time to rotate. SUSAN now goes back to the serving spot ( spot 1 ). The coach decides they want the libero to serve and not SUSAN. Let’s say our opponent gets a side out. They rotate. But the next time our libero can serve is when it’s SUSANS turn again. 6 rotations.
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Post by announcerbob on Jun 27, 2019 0:47:03 GMT -6
Kiyoat, You mentioned Haley D being so valuable in an earlier post. Typically a player would either play the line nearest the net (front line player) and leave when they rotate to the back row or vice versa for those who play the back row. What made Haley so important is that some players are considered a 6 rotation player and can play at a high level in both lines.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 27, 2019 7:59:44 GMT -6
POSITION NUMBERING:
Server spot.... 1 Front right...... 2 Middle front..... 3 Left front....... 4 Back left...... 5 Back middle..... 6
Weird part is you go from serving to position 6 on next rotation.
Inside the game: If you want an idea where the coach wants the ball to be ideally served watch her give a hand signal to her server. Often the coach will hold up a clip board to hide her hand so the opponents can’t see their instructions. So if you are in the arena where you can watch coach give a hand signal look at her hand. If there’s one finger showing she’s telling the server to place the ball in the opponents serve area. If she clenches her fist, that indicates she wants the serve to be back middle. 5 fingers would mean position 5 or back left.
Another tactic in serving or attacking is hitting the ball to the setter in an attempt to force her to make the first touch. The reason for doing that is if she indeed is forced to play it, and knowing you can’t touch the ball twice in succession, you now force another player to “set” the ball instead of the setter. In essence disrupting their offense. Make no doubt the girls are trained to be aware of where the opponents setter is 24/7. If you’re not going to get a clean swing on the ball in a kill attempt, the next best option is to force your opponents setter to make first play. Other girls are trained to set, but obviously it’s not their strength.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 27, 2019 8:03:00 GMT -6
Kiyoat, You mentioned Haley D being so valuable in an earlier post. Typically a player would either play the line nearest the net (front line player) and leave when they rotate to the back row or vice versa for those who play the back row. What made Haley so important is that some players are considered a 6 rotation player and can play at a high level in both lines. There are some girls that indeed play all around but not what I would call standard operating procedure. 99 out of 100 times or more, you can bet for sure the middle blocker will come out when rotating to the back. That’s usually ( not mandatory ) when the libero switches in and out.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 27, 2019 8:27:50 GMT -6
...you now force another player to “set” the ball instead of the setter. In essence disrupting their offense... This is very interesting in learning about strategy. Good stuff. It also brings up some VB terminology that you hear a lot when coaches or players are interviewed. "in system" or "out-of-system" I think what you are describing when attacking or serving to the setter is a strategy to force the other offense to be "out-of-system". Throwing their offense out-of-whack. When the defense gets an easy dig, passing it right to the setter, and the setter has at least two options of attackers (three with the "dump" option), it is functioning at a high level, and could be said to be playing "in-system", right? This is also a way to understand why having great defensive specialists (including the Libero) is so critical in keeping your offense in-system. Anne and the other DS players are good not only at getting to the ball and making saves, but also good at finding the setter. They keep the offense on the rails, so to speak.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 27, 2019 8:29:23 GMT -6
Kiyoat, You mentioned Haley D being so valuable in an earlier post. Typically a player would either play the line nearest the net (front line player) and leave when they rotate to the back row or vice versa for those who play the back row. What made Haley so important is that some players are considered a 6 rotation player and can play at a high level in both lines. There are some girls that indeed play all around but not what I would call standard operating procedure. 99 out of 100 times or more, you can bet for sure the middle blocker will come out when rotating to the back. That’s usually ( not mandatory ) when the libero switches in and out. How is this possible with only 12 substitutions allowed in the set? Aren't there times when you have to have hitters and blockers in the back row, to save subs?
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