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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 10:37:44 GMT -6
I take it by the sarcasm about the "get more athletic" comment that the Coyotes do not need to get more athletic. Watch the Oregon game again. They are plenty athletic enough against Drake and the Summit teams. No one is denying that. If we have reached a plateau as a program than everything is just fine and no need to strive higher but those that think that please don't complain if the program does not win a first round game. I take it that anyone that suggests the team get more athletic and to raise their level any more is wrong in that thought process because that is the tone that a few posters are setting.
Why do so many people want to set limits on what the programs can do at the University of South Dakota.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Nov 19, 2021 10:57:37 GMT -6
Seriously, who besides LeBron James and Bo Jackson hasn't needed to "get more athletic?"
The sarcasm is directed at the comment because it's entirely meaningless.
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Post by fightsd on Nov 19, 2021 11:05:17 GMT -6
I take it by the sarcasm about the "get more athletic" comment that the Coyotes do not need to get more athletic. Watch the Oregon game again. They are plenty athletic enough against Drake and the Summit teams. No one is denying that. If we have reached a plateau as a program than everything is just fine and no need to strive higher but those that think that please don't complain if the program does not win a first round game. I take it that anyone that suggests the team get more athletic and to raise their level any more is wrong in that thought process because that is the tone that a few posters are setting. Why do so many people want to set limits on what the programs can do at the University of South Dakota. Good grief, nobody is setting limits for the team. Overreacting after not being able to match up with the best team in the country is ridiculous. We obviously weren't as athletic as SC. I said it earlier, until you can convince McDonald's All Americans that USD is a better place for them than the big P5 schools, we probably won't match up with those teams physically. Not saying we can't compete with them, but we aren't going to play bully ball in the post with 6-8 girls that look like they would start for our men's team. I completely agree that if we want to see growth in the program we need to find more size and athleticism, but I don't think SC is a realistic measuring stick.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:22:05 GMT -6
I am not talking about being able to athletically matchup with South Carolina. No one is complaining about that. What I am talking about is (the stated goal of the team) to win a first round game. If you go back to the tourney appearances the Coyotes lost to Stanford, Oregon and Clemson and one of the takes in those games cumulatively was how athletic those teams were. Stanford I give a pass to that one because I believe they were a 2 seed. But the Oregon game stuck out quite a bit. Even against Clemson when the Yotes were the 8 seed and Clemson was a 9 the Coyotes wore down later in the game because Clemson was more athletic. I don't think it was all about just pure height but quickness etc. I believe Clemson started pressing the Coyotes and it had an effect. The Coyotes don't have the team to be able to go out and press another team the way other teams do it to them when you are talking about post season. When the Coyotes lose games to teams like Oklahoma which they should have been a slight favorite, it is going to affect their seeding if they make the tourney. So if the Coyotes were a 6,7 or 8 seed it gives them a better chance to win a game. If they lose to teams like Oklahoma it is going to push them down closer to that 12 or 13 line and than suddenly welcome to the next super athletic team on the tourney docket. Of course the season can still be a very good one but it annoys me when people think losses like the one to Oklahoma are not a real big deal because that loss is a big deal in the big picture.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Nov 19, 2021 11:24:54 GMT -6
You lost that Clemson game because your best player was playing on one leg.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 19, 2021 11:27:37 GMT -6
Lol
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:33:33 GMT -6
The good news is that the Coyotes are going to be playing Pitt and Northwestern and those games are very winnable and against respectable conferences. I think I saw a Texas A&M score where perhaps they weren't as impressive as their ranking. If the Coyotes can run the table and sweep that tourney than they absolutely are back in the conversation for an at large. I am guessing that Texas A&M will be fairly athletic and a good barometer to where the Coyotes are.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:34:59 GMT -6
You lost that Clemson game because your best player was playing on one leg. A loss is a loss and good teams don't make those types of excuses. I think a better reason for the loss was that Clemson started playing a full court game and the Coyotes were not able to play that style but to each their own.
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Post by usdguy99 on Nov 19, 2021 11:48:02 GMT -6
You lost that Clemson game because your best player was playing on one leg. A loss is a loss and good teams don't make those types of excuses. I think a better reason for the loss was that Clemson started playing a full court game and the Coyotes were not able to play that style but to each their own. As a person that was at the Clemson game in person, it was not a matter of a full court press. Injuries and post match-ups were the biggest issues in that game. 2 things learned from that game... A. There is a reason those student athletes are playing for a P5 program; B. We need to schedule more teams like Clemson for our non-conference games. Dawn and her staff have embraced letter B and that has made us an all around better team. Based on your comments/posts and your stellar college basketball IQ, you must have been a college basketball coach or official for 25+ years?
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Nov 19, 2021 11:48:06 GMT -6
Your theory is that they wore down late in the game due to Clemson's athleticism and I'm telling you, they "wore down" because your best player/ballhandler was playing on one leg.
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 19, 2021 11:51:07 GMT -6
... I think I saw a Texas A&M score where perhaps they weren't as impressive as their ranking. If the Coyotes can run the table and sweep that tourney than they absolutely are back in the conversation for an at large. I am guessing that Texas A&M will be fairly athletic and a good barometer to where the Coyotes are. It's actually hard to gauge how good TAMU is because they haven't played anyone good yet. We will be their toughest opponent so far. That bodes well for us if we can pull off a win because they will still be a top-25 team. I'm sure they probably are worthy of the ranking, but they certainly don't go out of their way to challenge themselves in the non-con like USC does.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Nov 19, 2021 11:56:00 GMT -6
And sometimes guards just make shots. And two of Clemson's guards just got hot in the second half of that game. Athleticism wasn't the decider in that one.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 12:09:31 GMT -6
... I think I saw a Texas A&M score where perhaps they weren't as impressive as their ranking. If the Coyotes can run the table and sweep that tourney than they absolutely are back in the conversation for an at large. I am guessing that Texas A&M will be fairly athletic and a good barometer to where the Coyotes are. It's actually hard to gauge how good TAMU is because they haven't played anyone good yet. We will be their toughest opponent so far. That bodes well for us if we can pull off a win because they will still be a top-25 team. I'm sure they probably are worthy of the ranking, but they certainly don't go out of their way to challenge themselves in the non-con like USC does. Well it will be an interesting matchup. I believe they are the 2nd game of the tourney and one where the Coyotes will play 3 straight days. It seems like the depth of players getting minutes is a bit down so far so to win all 3 it will probably take some players to play a few more minutes than they have been and contributing as well. I did not look at minutes played so far but it seems like the depth hasn't been established as of yet.
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 19, 2021 12:31:32 GMT -6
This currently trendy "more athletic" cliche is sure getting beaten to death here.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Nov 19, 2021 12:38:06 GMT -6
A&M lost two All-Americans off a team that went 25-3 but they recruit the top-100 and have brought five or so in off that list in the last two classes. They've got former Minnesota All-Big Ten player Destiny Pitts as their third leading scorer. They're going to be tough as hell.
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