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Post by gopheryote on Mar 6, 2023 6:52:17 GMT -6
Is there a replay somewhere? Twitter is saying not only was the foul obvious, but there was also goaltending. Maybe someone can post the screen shots, but yeah, the goaltending is pretty obvious - the dude grabbed the rim. Oddly enough, the fact that two guys sandwiched Hayes made it harder easier to not call the foul, but all that momentum (Skunkberg pushing Hayes from behind as they both go to the rim) caused Miller (coming towards Hayes) to go flying. I guess NDSU would say that means it is a charge? LOL Tough way to lose a game.
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Post by yodayote on Mar 6, 2023 14:15:15 GMT -6
You can't really blame that on the officials, it's hard to blow the whistle there. Hayes took the ball to the front of the rim allowing the defender to challenge him. If he would have taken it to the side of the rim or off the glass the defender would have had to have gone through the net to get there and forcing the officials to call something.
The turnover with 26 seconds to go was inexcusable and our last second shot seemed really poor. The announcers were even questioning why were not taking the timeout to advance the ball to half court and then get a legitimate shot off.
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Post by dbyote on Mar 6, 2023 14:20:50 GMT -6
You can't really blame that on the officials, it's hard to blow the whistle there. Hayes took the ball to the front of the rim allowing the defender to challenge him. If he would have taken it to the side of the rim or off the glass the defender would have had to have gone through the net to get there and forcing the officials to call something. The turnover with 26 seconds to go was inexcusable and our last second shot seemed really poor. The announcers were even questioning why were not taking the timeout to advance the ball to half court and then get a legitimate shot off. I thought the same thing about going off the glass when I saw it live. If he gets it up to the glass you might get the foul and the goal tend.
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Post by 90yote on Mar 6, 2023 14:45:24 GMT -6
You can't really blame that on the officials, it's hard to blow the whistle there. Hayes took the ball to the front of the rim allowing the defender to challenge him. If he would have taken it to the side of the rim or off the glass the defender would have had to have gone through the net to get there and forcing the officials to call something. The turnover with 26 seconds to go was inexcusable and our last second shot seemed really poor. The announcers were even questioning why were not taking the timeout to advance the ball to half court and then get a legitimate shot off. No advancement of the ball in the men's game.
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Post by dbyote on Mar 6, 2023 14:46:43 GMT -6
You can't really blame that on the officials, it's hard to blow the whistle there. Hayes took the ball to the front of the rim allowing the defender to challenge him. If he would have taken it to the side of the rim or off the glass the defender would have had to have gone through the net to get there and forcing the officials to call something. The turnover with 26 seconds to go was inexcusable and our last second shot seemed really poor. The announcers were even questioning why were not taking the timeout to advance the ball to half court and then get a legitimate shot off. No advancement of the ball in the men's game. Exactly. Announcers were talking about hurrying the ball across half court and calling time out, hopefully with between 2 and 3 seconds left to set up a play. It may have been one of the few coaching blips from the game. I thought it was the best coached game of the year. The scouting report was fantastic. That being said, NDSU is not a dynamic team this year.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Mar 6, 2023 16:26:21 GMT -6
I don't know. Looked like a hell of a defensive play to me. That NDSU freshman made three HUGE plays down the stretch.
Yotes didn't.
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Post by dbyote on Mar 6, 2023 16:38:08 GMT -6
I don't know. Looked like a hell of a defensive play to me. That NDSU freshman made three HUGE plays down the stretch. Yotes didn't. Nelson coming over the top from behind was clean. The one coming from the other side got Hayes on the forearm. If you want to argue that the block occurred first you might have an argument. I personally don't think you can argue that there was insufficient contact to call a foul, especially given how they called the rest of the game.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Mar 6, 2023 16:41:55 GMT -6
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Post by dbyote on Mar 6, 2023 16:54:34 GMT -6
You and I are absolutely not seeing the same thing. His hand and arm hit Hayes on the arm before they hit the ball. It doesn't really matter. All we would have done is extend our season another day. We weren't winning the tournament.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 6, 2023 17:03:05 GMT -6
Arm or not, and I think there was, there was plenty of body contact. Go back a few minutes in the game when Hayes had his feet on the floor and didn't bring his arms down at all and was whistled for fouling on a driving Nelson who I thought initiated contact. End of game whistle swallow was just a ref not having the balls to make a call at that point in time. Completely inconsistent with how the rest of the game had been officiated.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Mar 6, 2023 17:04:54 GMT -6
We're not. From the first couple angles I can see how it looked like there was some arm contact, but that last angle shows pretty definitively that the only contact was basically the very edge of the hand/pinkie as the ball was swatted, which is never getting called and shouldn't.
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Post by 90yote on Mar 6, 2023 17:38:45 GMT -6
I thought Skunberg got him with the body from behind.
But I think the bigger problem is that, while I love Damani, our roll guy on the biggest play of the season is a 6-3 power forward. If Damani is 6-8 it's a foul no question, and maybe an and-1. That's not a knock on coaching either, just a comment on the current roster.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Mar 6, 2023 17:42:31 GMT -6
I thought Skunberg got him with the body from behind.But I think the bigger problem is that, while I love Damani, our roll guy on the biggest play of the season is a 6-3 power forward. If Damani is 6-8 it's a foul no question, and maybe an and-1. That's not a knock on coaching either, just a comment on the current roster. That would be the place on that play where I could see a call being made.
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Post by burbankbob on Mar 6, 2023 17:49:27 GMT -6
The game lost of the high pass to our big guy. He should have caught it. One point lead, the ball and 3 guys shooting about 80% from the line. Tough one.
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Post by lakesbison on Mar 6, 2023 17:51:26 GMT -6
You threw this game away with that backcourt throw over your Centers head (why is he out that far)
plus you didn't adjust your defense when ndsu kept getting fouls. if you go zone you win. ndsu only hit 2 shots in last 9
also. what the heck was that last shot? you could've dribbled up to the 3 pt line easily THATS how you gave ndsu the win not the no call at end.
Richman is the luckiest 13-16 coach in history
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