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Post by slostang on Nov 28, 2012 22:34:50 GMT -6
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 28, 2012 22:36:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the info. He is a 3 star recruit per ESPN recruiting website and also had offers from Arizona and Nevada.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 28, 2012 23:54:58 GMT -6
This kid could provide an instant impact. Huge get. Offers early hope for this class.
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Post by dman67 on Nov 29, 2012 9:37:10 GMT -6
Nice recruiting job by Coach Williams
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2012 10:59:04 GMT -6
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Post by obc on Nov 29, 2012 11:03:16 GMT -6
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2012 11:33:59 GMT -6
Good to see that his HS team already plays in a 3-4 defense. At least that should reduce the learning curve for him.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2012 12:38:52 GMT -6
Your preaching to the choire with that one. I wasn't the one that said anything about not being able to recruit players such as this. I was told to get realistic expectations by another poster. I believe when I explained what kind of a team or offense I would have if I was AD or coach someone told me that the kind of players I wanted or hoped for weren't realistic. The only players that aren't realistic come from people that think they can't be recruited or won't try for them. I am not saying we will get players on the level of LSU type players but we can get good people in here. I always shoot high in my thought process. I really don't care how we go about it but I just want to see winning period. It looks like this guy might be able to help that train of thought. Why does everyone say that it takes time to get good players in the program. Well that clock should have started a few years ago so why are we resetting it now like it starts all over again. Ed Meierkort wasn't that great with X's and O's but I didn't think his players were all that bad. That was apparently his strength but maybe that is not the case either. We had 4 years of transition to get players in here but I guess D1 FCS level players weren't starting to come until now. I remain confused on the thought process down that road. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2012 12:42:22 GMT -6
If good players aren't in the program already than why wasn't that recognized a few years ago. I thought Ed should have been fired 2 or 3 years prior to when he was. For those that don't think we have that good of players should have been on board with that notion. I didn't hear anyone preaching for a change back then. Ed was good at something. I think it was that his players were good but his coaching wasn't. Maybe many disagree.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 29, 2012 13:01:56 GMT -6
You couldn't get top notch players before because, at best, they could have been eligible for post season play for a couple years. Good players want to compete for championships and play with other good players. This isn't some sort of secret, man. This is basic recruiting.
In the transition phase we could get a hand full of really good players, but to be a great team you need to have a depth of good/great players. IT TAKES TIME.
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Post by nolesfan on Nov 29, 2012 17:24:53 GMT -6
Was Ed's record over 8 years 30-54 or 54-30? And what were the previous 8 years before him? Coyote fan you act like that guy had 1 winning season in 8 years not 7 out of 8. An how would you know EM x's and o's he never called plays on either side of the ball. He got kids to produce a year ago that were non factors this year. As for this recruit that is huge! Great step for new staff and momentum going forward. Looks like he can have an immediate impact in the valley. Go Yotes
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2012 18:22:44 GMT -6
You couldn't get top notch players before because, at best, they could have been eligible for post season play for a couple years. Good players want to compete for championships and play with other good players. This isn't some sort of secret, man. This is basic recruiting. In the transition phase we could get a hand full of really good players, but to be a great team you need to have a depth of good/great players. IT TAKES TIME. I am not quite catching your drift Cousin Eddie. Somehow SDSU and NDSU got good enough players to be competitive in their first year in the MVFC so recruiting didn't seem to be a big problem for them. NDSU got good enough players to only have 1 loss during their first or second year of transition which was well prior to where the Coyotes are now. There is always an excuse of why the Coyotes don't do well. Kind of confusing for me how our so called peers always seem to find a way to be good but USD fans are always rationalizing why USD is not good. Do you see a disturbing correlation there. The NCC transition to D1 FCS is not nearly the big leap that most people make it out to be. NCC teams were routinely giving UNI fits when they would go to Cedar Falls to play them, except the Coyotes of course. When will the time come where people will have legit, concrete reasons why USD is winning instead of always explaining what went wrong. All I am going is putting some logic behind things. This is not anything more than a losing culture at the University of South Dakota. You can spin it whichever way you want to but that is the primary reason for just about everything. Didn't matter if it was D2, D1 or whatever because it's always the same thing. Glenn couldn't prove that he could win at Wyoming. Is USD the Wyoming of FCS? Here is the thing. Apparently everything we saw this season on the field way kind of an anomoly because the way it sounds from the coach to the assistant coaches to the quarterback everything will stay the same for next year. Isn't anyone kind of disturbed by that. What other MVFC program would finish 0-8 in the league and feel that not even one significant change needed to be made other than slight upgrades in the talent (which by the way I don't totally buy into that as the reasons for our ills). So we continue to make the same mistake in this program that we have made for 25 years but yet people are still completely convinced that the results will somehow be different this time. They may but the odds will tell you that isn't likely to be the case. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2012 18:41:46 GMT -6
If anyone wants to argue that Meierkort was a good coach or was good at recruiting players than wouldn't you kind of have to be of the belief that Glenn isn't a very good coach. Whatever your opinion is you cannot have it both ways. Either Ed was a pretty good coach or he had good players or both but if you think Ed was a good overall coach than wouldn't you have to kind of believe that Glenn isn't a very good coach or at the least can't adjust his coaching style to the players he has.
This is what I think personally. I think Ed had some pretty good players whether by his own doing or from Austin. His teams did very well when he didn't have to outcoach an opponent. His teams IMO dominated athletically on the field vs the teams he played. That is to his credit. I don't think he was a great coach. He won when the schedules were rather weak. When the schedule got tougher and coaching became more important is when things kind of fell apart for Ed. I think Ed left decent talent but maybe undisciplined talent. I am not going to just give Glenn a complete pass because of the players he acquired. They may have been undisciplined but I think by the end of this year that should have improved but didnt.
OK onto Coach Glenn. Joe Glenn surrounded by the right people could do well, I will definately admit that. Problem is he came in and became Mr. Coyote rah-rah-rah which is ok but I feel as if he is putting too much loyalty into coaches and/or players that he probably shouldn't be putting so much loyalty into. I think we are seeing that with Josh and with Wes along with others. Since they were Yotes when he got here maybe he is affraid to make changes even if those changes are best for the well being of the program. I think Glenn's downfall could very well be that he is loyal to the point of it being unhealthy. It's good to be loyal to a point but not where inferior talent is in positions where it shouldn't be. That goes for players and coaches. If there was one reason to pinpoint the reason for our struggles I would say that may be problem #1. Apparently Sayler wanted to start clean with the coaches under Ed but Glenn or someone else may have changed his mind on that.
I certainly don't know everything, eventhough some of you think I think I do. What I do know is that we generally had a big problem and QB, on offense and on special teams. Even the defense was up and down. I base my opinions on what I see and I don't understand why nothing of substance is changing this off season. That just boggles my mind and why I feel this program is being held back and has been for so long.
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Post by coyote70 on Nov 29, 2012 18:59:35 GMT -6
Coyotefan - still like/read your posts but beware of putting words in my mouth. Maybe you did not grasp the entirety of my earlier post. In that message regarding being realistic in our expectations about recruiting, I stated that USD might get a few players like the Finley kid every year. I sincerely hope we get more. Likely, though the great majority of recruits won't be of this calibur no matter what our recruiting goals are. I'm not wishing for this to happen. It's just that this is what has happened in the past. I don't like it, but I sure as heck am going to plan for that possibility.
I'd like to think we don't disagree that much; the main difference being I prefer to recruit players into a system and that system be run-oriented.
In any event I'm looking forward to a large, talented bunch of recruits and hope this will translate to success down the road.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 29, 2012 19:06:37 GMT -6
I predicted during the Coyotes last year of D2 that Yotes fans would be using the transition excuse for the entirety of the transition or something to that effect. That has basically happened. What I can foresee happening if the next failure happens is that it was difficult to recruit to a 1-10 team. The excuses are never ending for a losing program. Winning programs overcome the exact type of excuses that are being used to rationlize this season. There is no rationlizing 1-10 period, and I put an emphatic period at the end of that......By keeping everything the same is rationilizing this and inviting more of the same to come. I am ruthless but often times correct.
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