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Post by yoteforever on Feb 17, 2013 10:24:07 GMT -6
I'm not going to try and be a Debbie Downer with this thread, but I must admit after watching the men's games on Thursday and Saturday, I'm frustrated.
Starting with football, I think we have taken the right steps in an attempt to bring us back to a competitive level. Time will tell, but I do believe Joe Glenn will get the job done. The problem is is that he can't do it alone. He needs help. By that I mean he needs boosters, donors, crowd participation, and high attendance. What he doesn't need is another "home game" to be played outside the Dome. He needs 9000 rabid fans in that place to create a hostile environment that EVERYONE hates to come into.
Men's basketball. I really feel sorry for our guys. Be objective, and just look at the physical stature of the lineups. We are outgunned at least 3-4 inches per guy, have less physical stature, and appear to be a step behind. That being said, I love Kasperbauer and Bos as players. But you can't continue to run this weave, because our opponents know we have no inside game, so they shut down the perimeter. Trev is being pounded and two timed underneath. That is coaching, and not in the X's and O's sense, but in the recruitment. If we have a couple of formidable BIGS, they don't have to be awesome, then you open up the outside game. Our players as a group look whipped when they hit the floor. There is very little energy, very little enthusiasm, and do very little to pull the crowd into the game. Now, that being said, our crowd is horrible. Until it changes, I wouldn't even think about coming here. Why would you? I would want to play in a home arena that was loud and enthusiastic. So what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Does the crowd elevate in an attempt to bring up the team, or does the team play with high energy that provokes crowd excitement?
I'm tired of getting beat. I'm not advocating firing of staff, or anything like that, but I would like others to chime in and give their 2 cents worth. We need a wholesale change of attitudes at USD, so how do we achieve that? Thoughts?
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Post by azsod73 on Feb 17, 2013 11:28:37 GMT -6
Nothing wins over fans better than winning teams.
The football program is going to get better - a lot better over the next couple of years. They are recruiting the right kind of players and when these players are developed, via conditioning and coaching, we are going to be good.
I think the WBB team will get better as Coach Williams recruits her own players. She has some of the pieces in place and needs a couple of good recruiting classes. She knows how to coach, and I think it is more than the Xs and Os. She is a competitor and conveys that to her players.
As for the MBB program, I am not so sure. Nothing against current players, as there are some very good players to build around, but the program needs a big boost. It is extremely disappointing to see other teams improve as the season goes on but not this Yote team. And a big part of this is, as yoteforever notes, we are at a physical disadvantage. You just can't coach around being out manned. You can't defend if you are not big enough and you can't out-shoot the other team when they know you are a one dimensional offense.
A HUGE plus on the horizon is the new arena, and all that will come with that. It will make a big difference with recruiting, which will lead to better teams, better winning percentages, and better attendance.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 17, 2013 18:17:09 GMT -6
Winning is always the best remedy. It will improve attendance, area recruiting & Sioux Falls & Sioux City media coverage. (We already get great coverage from the Yankton P & D)
New arena should be a huge help in recruiting and fan attendance. The Dome is an OK venue for games that draw a big crowd, but it is hard to generate much excitement in the Dome with smaller crowds. By the way, I finally got the chance to see the more detailed plans for the new arena, track complex and soccer stadium along with the dome renovations and the new facilities will be a game changer. If anybody hasn't pledged some $$ to the project, now is the time to get on board.
I agree with earlier positive comments about the band & the cheer & dance teams also do a good job. The rest of the game production needs big improvements. If we want a successful D1 program, we need to act like a successful D1 program.
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Post by 2002jack on Feb 18, 2013 9:45:23 GMT -6
I have to laugh. You guys sound like SDSU fans from five or six years ago.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 18, 2013 12:27:35 GMT -6
Good point. We shouldn't be content with where things are today, but we do need to keep things in perspective.
Onward
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 19, 2013 16:22:48 GMT -6
I would comment on this but since 90% of the people don't want to hear it I won't post it.
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Post by yotemeal on Feb 19, 2013 16:41:46 GMT -6
From Mick's blog today:
"The Coyotes were 4-4 in the Summit League after winning on the road at Oakland on Jan. 19. Included among the four conference losses were a last-second 73-71 defeat against Western Illinois at the DakotaDome, a 90-86 loss to Kansas City and a 62-60 loss at Fort Wayne. If anything, the 4-4 mark at that point was misleadingly poor. USD easily could have been 6-2 with some luck."
Call it a silver lining. Maybe a bit too 2012 Coyote Football Season-ish. In any event, I've taken a few deep breaths since Saturday and concluded that things are headed in the right direction. A new arena is in the works, and I think we're building a legitimate D-I basketball roster. I placed this in a different thread:
I actually think we'll have good size and tons of depth. Norris is only 6', but that's not uncommon at his position. Bos and Kasperbauer do not have elite size, but I'm comfortable with their efforts and intangibles. Moreover, I'm wondering if Bos won't see time at the point? Having any combination of Norris, Bos and Kasperbauer in the game at once obviously creates a shorter lineup. However, I think we have the luxury of trying some combinations we weren't previously equipped to even attempt. I'd personally like to see us move away from such guard-heavy lineups. For example, we could, theoretically, start Bos/Norris (about 6'), Larson (6'3"), Thoseby (6'5"), Flack (6'7") and Gruis (6'10"). That's good size, and consider who we would have "coming off the bench": Robertson (6'8"), Rowson (6'5"), Tecker (6'5"), Kasperbauer (6'1"), and our new guys. That's not too shabby.
I really think Flack's development will be important to our success. Having he and Gruis complementing one another in the post should open some things up.
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Post by sd4ever on Feb 19, 2013 19:14:10 GMT -6
I would comment on this but since 90% of the people don't want to hear it I won't post it. Oh, go ahead and do it Mr. CF. You know I want to hear it. And you know there is really not much of a board without you. Some one needs to bring some reality to the situation. It seems (as much as I hate to say it) USD is just kinda like a 'two-bit' D1 member right now. Kinda fumbling around and not doing a lot of things very well. I just don't get the feeling that there is as much passion as there should be about the whole deal. Not like there is at, very unfortunately, the other three institutions in the Dakotas. I hope it changes sometime in my lifetime. It would be nice to travel back 'home' sometime to watch the Yotes play either ndsc or sdsc in a nicely remodeled Danger Dome with about 15 to 16 thousand in attendance going absolutey crazy. Of course I would want the game to be for the MVFC championship and a top seed in the FCS playoffs. I would also like the score to be about 47 to 10 against either one of them. I would be loving every second of that. It would also be nice to be around some basketball season for a season ending home stand in the state of the art SD4ever Arena housing CoyoteFan Court. Then carry over into the Summit League Tournament at the brand new Sioux Falls Events Center. I would really enjoy watching the Yotes take down, oh let's say, omaha, then the bison and of course and predictably the jackies in the final with a trip to The Dance on the line. How crazy would that senario be? I can just about imagine how The Argus would play up Brooksville for that one. So one can hope that dreams like the ones I just shared will someday come true for USD, the student athletes on the teams, and the faithful in the Coyote Nation. People really need to truly want it bad enough. The next few years will answer the questions won't they? In the mean time even though I'm a little down right now The Infamous One and Only SD4ever will always be a Coyote Fan. I believe Joe Glenn is gonna get it done and I believe that men's Bball will sort itself out too. I'm looking forward to those trips back 'home'. Go South Dakota! Go Coyotes! FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!
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Post by sd4ever on Feb 21, 2013 17:40:37 GMT -6
I'm patiently waiting Mr. CF.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 21, 2013 17:51:11 GMT -6
Honestly by obervation I have only watched about half of the games. Dave Boot's need to learn to coach to the style of player that he has on his team. I get the feeling he is slow to adjust or simply won't do what it takes to take advantage of having a small team on the court. If you are small I can understand needing to play more zone. It actually makes sense. What I don't understand is why the team isn't constantly forcing the pace to an uptempo game more often tha n they do. The more the game turns into a half court game the more the Yotes will suffer.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 23, 2013 19:48:42 GMT -6
Honestly by obervation I have only watched about half of the games. Dave Boot's need to learn to coach to the style of player that he has on his team. I get the feeling he is slow to adjust or simply won't do what it takes to take advantage of having a small team on the court. If you are small I can understand needing to play more zone. It actually makes sense. What I don't understand is why the team isn't constantly forcing the pace to an uptempo game more often tha n they do. The more the game turns into a half court game the more the Yotes will suffer. I agree with this
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 25, 2013 1:53:48 GMT -6
I am moving this debate from the women's basketball thread to here to continue focusing on and having open discussions on what needs to be done to move this program along and point it down a path of success.
The last few entries were from Coyotefan and one of them centered around a question I asked him, and that was how does the athletic department handle what I'll refer to as the average Coyote fan that doesn't have the propensity to give at this point but still want to be a part of the action. I won't paraphrase him, I'll ask people to shuffle back and read his response to that question.
I think there is some validity to his argument about the purchasing of single season games, or purchasing tickets to out of town games counting for something on the point system that has been enacted for ticket sales and seating priorities. The tickets purchased for out of town games would have to be made through our department in order for to be accounted for.
The other thing I like about his post is simply awknowledging the fans that go to games, buy tickets, hot dogs, comes, shirts, etc. There is absolutely no doubt we need fans in the seats. Ticket revenues must grow, and the sales of single season tickets do just that. That is a fair comment to make.
And although I understand his intent about cheering loud, or having a section for those that do, I think if he steps back and reevaluates that statement, it would be impossible to monitor. The intent is correct. Administration would be impossible. But the fact that he does bring to light is a participating fan base engaged with the team game after game. That is something that lacks right now, but is correctable.
I'm starting to sense maybe a ground swell approach to building this program the correct way. What I do think most athletic departments ignore is hearing the voice of the fans. I am a huge proponent of "customer round tables" or "customer focus groups" in my business. When people feel they are participating and being heard, they become more engaged. In fact as I type this, maybe CF and others that can't financially support the Coyotes right now other than through ticket sales, could be awarded points on the university system for being part of round table discussions. Time should account for something.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 25, 2013 8:54:34 GMT -6
I don't understand why the Coyote Point System is such big deal and topic of discussion around here. Here's the thing, there aren't enough season ticket sales or people going to the Dome right now to affect anybody one way or the other. Right now these points don't mean squat, good seats are available everywhere because nobody goes to the games so why do points even matter.
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Post by wrj on Feb 25, 2013 9:37:53 GMT -6
I don't understand why the Coyote Point System is such big deal and topic of discussion around here. Here's the thing, there aren't enough season ticket sales or people going to the Dome right now to affect anybody one way or the other. Right now these points don't mean squat, good seats are available everywhere because nobody goes to the games so why do points even matter. I remember when the same was true in Brookings ..... but if you want good seats now, it matters!
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 25, 2013 10:12:24 GMT -6
I don't understand why the Coyote Point System is such big deal and topic of discussion around here. Here's the thing, there aren't enough season ticket sales or people going to the Dome right now to affect anybody one way or the other. Right now these points don't mean squat, good seats are available everywhere because nobody goes to the games so why do points even matter. I remember when the same was true in Brookings ..... but if you want good seats now, it matters! I agree with both of you. The idea being that if you want to assure yourself good tickets down the line, assuming interest in Coyote athletics rises, then what you do today counts towards tomorrow. And if we are going to be successful, we better hope and pray the point system comes into play. That means we have accomplished the end game, which is more fans, interest, and ticket revenue.
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