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Post by usdyote2013 on Nov 2, 2013 12:14:23 GMT -6
This probably isn't a huge deal. Garrow is a Jacks fan because I'm sure he has this huge false sense of accomplishment about molding Sumner, Douglas, Moss, and Castle into BIG TIME Jack football players. The t-shirts aren't that big of deal and I'm going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt and say he probably isn't telling recruiters to stay away. He might be pushing them to choose State over the U, but I'm sure there are coaches in other programs that do the same for us. It's just the way it works.
Having said that..IF he actually told USD recruiters to not waste their time, I'd hope the USD staff and people in that community have taken necessary steps to make sure he knows he's acting like a jackass. It's one of those things thats probably not an issue in the big scheme of things, but if you can't see how not giving a recruiter a chance to talk to one of your athletes because you are a fan of the rival school is shady and inappropriate...take off your freakin' blinders. That's just asinine and you should quit rationalizing and acting like thats acceptable adult behavior.
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Post by coyoteyes on Nov 5, 2013 16:49:47 GMT -6
Great post Yotefan. Notkiotees is right, the more gorabbits and 2002jack try to spin this the more it drives home the original point. This issue has nothing to do with cooperation between state agencies you silly rabbits. (this is where some tech savvy kid would insert one of those eye-roll icons)
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Post by fightsd on Nov 8, 2013 0:04:19 GMT -6
I don't post often, but this topic warrants a response. I have nothing against coaches giving advice to their athletes being recruited, but trying to sway them one way or the other is not acceptable. The BV coach is obviously proud of some former players at SDSU and that's great, but good ball players will be good ball players wherever they end up. Coach Glenn is arguably the best recruiter this university has seen in recent memory. He has snagged some unbelievable young players in just two seasons here (not to mention a 1-10). If the Brandon community doesn't like our program then they can go wear blue with those goofy rabbit people up north, won't bother me a bit. The bottom line is, USD is in the position to win the showdown this year and possibly the next couple. When (WHEN, no ifs about it) we start consistently winning against state, a stubborn, bitter coach from Brandon Valley will look awfully stupid telling his players not to come to Vermillion.
I really feel sorry for the players that have been encouraged to dismiss USD as a potential school. There is not a coach in the country that cares more about his school and players than Joe Glenn. This program is so close to becoming a major player in FCS football and seeing interested players steered away from an opportunity to play for the Yotes is just sad.
As always, Fight South Dakota.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 8, 2013 8:37:34 GMT -6
I'll open this thread up to a larger topic. I have been involved in many discussions over the past year with USD fans about recruiting and recruiting in the State of South Dakota. Many native South Dakotans feel USD has not recruited in-state aggressive enough. That Stig and his staff hass taken the time to visit every school throughout the state and cultivate relationships. That USD has never really put the effort into doing that and that we are being "shut out" of in-state recruits because of a lack of our effort.
Is this maybe what is going on in Brandon?
I have my own thoughts on this topic but will share them later.
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Post by 91jack on Nov 8, 2013 10:23:05 GMT -6
I think Garrow is a Jacks fan just because he has several players on their team. USD only has 10 players from SD on their roster and 4 of them are from SF. It doesn't seem like they recruit SD very had. I heard the Ed went to both Douglas's and Sumners's houses but they decided on SDSU over USD. Did the coach recommend SDSU, I don't know but USD's coach was in their house. I couldn't tell you about the rest of the players that went to SDSU from Brandon because I have no knowledge on them. I think a coach should be able to recommend a school but banning coaches from other schools shouldn't happen. If this is happening now (it wasn't 3 years ago), it is wrong.
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Post by canislatrans on Nov 8, 2013 10:25:50 GMT -6
I'm unfortunately not close enough to South Dakota, or SD HS football to comment Yote53, but my one observation is to look at the success of the SD recruits. How many of the SD recruits play and contribute to the program. I think USD has a decent % of SD recruits that have played and contributed (recently Powell, Koch, Lage, Wessel). I think to compete at D1 you need to recruit the best players, from where ever you can find them.
There's not much to fault with Joe Glenn's limited recruiting history at USD. Just keep bringin' 'em in, Joe!
I think cultivating good relationships with SD high schools is important, but more for increasing the chances on keeping some of the top notch players from the FBS schools.
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Post by Iceman on Nov 9, 2013 0:58:21 GMT -6
I think you have to bring in the best players you can no matter where they are from. Do you want to bring in kids from SD? Sure you do, but if you can't get them or they are not there, there is nothing you can do about it. Lets be honest here, SD is not filled with Division I athletes. As a college coach, you win or get canned. If you can't get the athletes in SD that are going to set you up to win, then you have no choice to go elsewhere for recruits. As a coach, I haven't seen a whole lot of athletes that are DI material.
Off topic, but when USF was still NAIA, they got all the good SD recruits that couldn't make it at USD or SDSU. Other NAIA schools in SD had trouble getting the good SD athletes of that caliber because they all wanted to go to USF because they were competing for national titles every year. People always questioned the other NAIA coaches in the state and said they don't recruit SD hard enough. When the talented recruits are gone, they are gone. Nothing you can do about it besides going out of state to recruit.
I think SDSU has had success getting the SD recruits because they have been more successful in football as of late and kids want to go where the team is winning. I think things are starting to change now with the Coyotes playing much better and having more success. They will start getting more SD kids coming in.
Like I said though, the population of SD is way smaller than most states so there are fewer DI football players to go around. You have to fight harder for them.
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Post by wylie on Nov 9, 2013 11:45:54 GMT -6
Honestly, I think there is a lot of over reacting here. Didn't the BV coach used to be an assistant at USF? Also, didn't the QB from Brandon last year go to Augie? I'm confused.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 12:45:29 GMT -6
I think you have to bring in the best players you can no matter where they are from. Do you want to bring in kids from SD? Sure you do, but if you can't get them or they are not there, there is nothing you can do about it. Lets be honest here, SD is not filled with Division I athletes. As a college coach, you win or get canned. If you can't get the athletes in SD that are going to set you up to win, then you have no choice to go elsewhere for recruits. As a coach, I haven't seen a whole lot of athletes that are DI material. Off topic, but when USF was still NAIA, they got all the good SD recruits that couldn't make it at USD or SDSU. Other NAIA schools in SD had trouble getting the good SD athletes of that caliber because they all wanted to go to USF because they were competing for national titles every year. People always questioned the other NAIA coaches in the state and said they don't recruit SD hard enough. When the talented recruits are gone, they are gone. Nothing you can do about it besides going out of state to recruit. I think SDSU has had success getting the SD recruits because they have been more successful in football as of late and kids want to go where the team is winning. I think things are starting to change now with the Coyotes playing much better and having more success. They will start getting more SD kids coming in. Like I said though, the population of SD is way smaller than most states so there are fewer DI football players to go around. You have to fight harder for them. Really? The season is not over yet so don't base that off of conference standings as of right now or at least wait till next Saturday night to make that statement. SDSU is still rated in the top 25 despite of losing to a couple of lack luster teams. After today's game USD and SDSU will be tied. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 9, 2013 16:46:30 GMT -6
I think you have to bring in the best players you can no matter where they are from. Do you want to bring in kids from SD? Sure you do, but if you can't get them or they are not there, there is nothing you can do about it. Lets be honest here, SD is not filled with Division I athletes. As a college coach, you win or get canned. If you can't get the athletes in SD that are going to set you up to win, then you have no choice to go elsewhere for recruits. As a coach, I haven't seen a whole lot of athletes that are DI material. Off topic, but when USF was still NAIA, they got all the good SD recruits that couldn't make it at USD or SDSU. Other NAIA schools in SD had trouble getting the good SD athletes of that caliber because they all wanted to go to USF because they were competing for national titles every year. People always questioned the other NAIA coaches in the state and said they don't recruit SD hard enough. When the talented recruits are gone, they are gone. Nothing you can do about it besides going out of state to recruit. I think SDSU has had success getting the SD recruits because they have been more successful in football as of late and kids want to go where the team is winning. I think things are starting to change now with the Coyotes playing much better and having more success. They will start getting more SD kids coming in. Like I said though, the population of SD is way smaller than most states so there are fewer DI football players to go around. You have to fight harder for them. Really? The season is not over yet so don't base that off of conference standings as of right now or at least wait till next Saturday night to make that statement. SDSU is still rated in the top 25 despite of losing to a couple of lack luster teams. After today's game USD and SDSU will be tied. We're playing top tier teams to the wire and you're getting crushed by Missouri State, pushed by a terrible UND team, and have about one game to be proud of this year. Next week is going to be bad for you guys. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 18:18:19 GMT -6
Really? The season is not over yet so don't base that off of conference standings as of right now or at least wait till next Saturday night to make that statement. SDSU is still rated in the top 25 despite of losing to a couple of lack luster teams. After today's game USD and SDSU will be tied. We're playing top tier teams to the wire and you're getting crushed by Missouri State, pushed by a terrible UND team, and have about one game to be proud of this year. Next week is going to be bad for you guys. You got rocked by WIU who has a worse record than MSU. MSU is in 3rd in the conference. SELA is having a hell of a season. They destroyed McNeese State. The UND game looks closer than it actually was. We were up by 3 scores then left off the gas in the 4th. Zenner damn near had 300 rushing yards. You barely beat a terrible ISU-blue by 3 at home. Stig was pissed at halftime because we were only up by 15. USD did play a tougher occ schedule but not by much. All i know right now is that USD and SDSU are both 3-3 in the conference. Its going to be a helluva game Saturday. I see the Jacks winning late in the 4th with the yotes losing the game at the end again. Don't be acting like USD is superior than SDSU in football just because the yotes won a couple game this year. USD had the chance to knock the Jacks out of the playoffs last year and we all know how that ended. The Jacks know this game won't be a cake walk like year. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 9, 2013 20:15:25 GMT -6
We're playing top tier teams to the wire and you're getting crushed by Missouri State, pushed by a terrible UND team, and have about one game to be proud of this year. Next week is going to be bad for you guys. You got rocked by WIU who has a worse record than MSU. MSU is in 3rd in the conference. SELA is having a hell of a season. They destroyed McNeese State. The UND game looks closer than it actually was. We were up by 3 scores then left off the gas in the 4th. Zenner damn near had 300 rushing yards. You barely beat a terrible ISU-blue by 3 at home. Stig was pissed at halftime because we were only up by 15. USD did play a tougher occ schedule but not by much. All i know right now is that USD and SDSU are both 3-3 in the conference. Its going to be a helluva game Saturday. I see the Jacks winning late in the 4th with the yotes losing the game at the end again. Don't be acting like USD is superior than SDSU in football just because the yotes won a couple game this year. USD had the chance to knock the Jacks out of the playoffs last year and we all know how that ended. The Jacks know this game won't be a cake walk like year. Indiana State was a much better team when we played them, they've had their team completely give up on them since (see All American RB quitting the team), and we are not even remotely close to the same team we were when we played WIU. If you're going to look at our last 6 games and say that we aren't the better looking team you are just being a homer. |
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Post by obc on Nov 9, 2013 20:20:40 GMT -6
You got rocked by WIU who has a worse record than MSU. MSU is in 3rd in the conference. SELA is having a hell of a season. They destroyed McNeese State. The UND game looks closer than it actually was. We were up by 3 scores then left off the gas in the 4th. Zenner damn near had 300 rushing yards. You barely beat a terrible ISU-blue by 3 at home. Stig was pissed at halftime because we were only up by 15. USD did play a tougher occ schedule but not by much. All i know right now is that USD and SDSU are both 3-3 in the conference. Its going to be a helluva game Saturday. I see the Jacks winning late in the 4th with the yotes losing the game at the end again. Don't be acting like USD is superior than SDSU in football just because the yotes won a couple game this year. USD had the chance to knock the Jacks out of the playoffs last year and we all know how that ended. The Jacks know this game won't be a cake walk like year. Indiana State was a much better team when we played them, they've had their team completely give up on them since (see All American RB quitting the team), and we are not even remotely close to the same team we were when we played WIU. If you're going to look at our last 6 games and say that we aren't the better looking team you are just being a homer. It doesn't matter - we all get to see next Saturday. Hope we have a little healthier backfield than today, but I don't think they will be healed up by then. |
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Post by Iceman on Nov 9, 2013 23:43:51 GMT -6
I think you have to bring in the best players you can no matter where they are from. Do you want to bring in kids from SD? Sure you do, but if you can't get them or they are not there, there is nothing you can do about it. Lets be honest here, SD is not filled with Division I athletes. As a college coach, you win or get canned. If you can't get the athletes in SD that are going to set you up to win, then you have no choice to go elsewhere for recruits. As a coach, I haven't seen a whole lot of athletes that are DI material. Off topic, but when USF was still NAIA, they got all the good SD recruits that couldn't make it at USD or SDSU. Other NAIA schools in SD had trouble getting the good SD athletes of that caliber because they all wanted to go to USF because they were competing for national titles every year. People always questioned the other NAIA coaches in the state and said they don't recruit SD hard enough. When the talented recruits are gone, they are gone. Nothing you can do about it besides going out of state to recruit. I think SDSU has had success getting the SD recruits because they have been more successful in football as of late and kids want to go where the team is winning. I think things are starting to change now with the Coyotes playing much better and having more success. They will start getting more SD kids coming in. Like I said though, the population of SD is way smaller than most states so there are fewer DI football players to go around. You have to fight harder for them. Really? The season is not over yet so don't base that off of conference standings as of right now or at least wait till next Saturday night to make that statement. SDSU is still rated in the top 25 despite of losing to a couple of lack luster teams. After today's game USD and SDSU will be tied. Leave it to a typical damn SDSU fan to take things the wrong way like usual. So sick of SDSU fans thinking they are gods gift to South Dakota. What I meant by "more success" was that USD is having more success now than THEY (USD) has had in the past. DID I SPELL THAT OUT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU OR DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN IT IN ANOTHER WAY YET? LET ME KNOW! |
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Post by jackl on Nov 10, 2013 15:05:22 GMT -6
Really? The season is not over yet so don't base that off of conference standings as of right now or at least wait till next Saturday night to make that statement. SDSU is still rated in the top 25 despite of losing to a couple of lack luster teams. After today's game USD and SDSU will be tied. We're playing top tier teams to the wire and you're getting crushed by Missouri State, pushed by a terrible UND team, and have about one game to be proud of this year. Next week is going to be bad for you guys. The one "top tier" team lost to a beat up UNI team who played without their starting QB and running back. Anyway,congrats on your moral victories. |
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