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Post by Charlie on Apr 7, 2014 12:43:59 GMT -6
I just ordered some USD merchandise from the USD online store (the one through the goyotes.com website) and I was appalled. When I placed my order, a processing screen came up and at the bottom was the SDSU logo! I mean come on, SDSU on a USD merchandise site! Let's get it right. I almost cancelled my order.
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Post by GoYotes on Apr 7, 2014 16:49:08 GMT -6
Here are a couple of "come on man" newspaper articles I have ran across lately: First is from the Argus Leader where Terry Vandrovec basically says that had Craig Smith had the foresight to not take the job with the Yotes, he would be in line to replace Saul Phillips at NDSU. Second is this editorial from the Mitchell Daily Repulsive. |
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Post by usdguy99 on Apr 7, 2014 17:07:12 GMT -6
Are Stu and this Tupper guy related?
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Post by coyote70 on Apr 7, 2014 18:02:58 GMT -6
The editorial by Tupper came across as being a bit juvenile. Of course, it was blatantly biased which may pose problems for some of the paper's readership. Nowadays doesn't take much for folks to unsubscribe based on viewpoints they disagree with.
I know I would.
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Post by canislatrans on Apr 7, 2014 18:21:30 GMT -6
Tupper got his journalism degree from SD State College, really? ROTFL
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Post by Yotes on Apr 7, 2014 18:59:31 GMT -6
I have no problem with that Argus article, who knows what may have happened if Smith knew Saul was leaving NDSU.
That article by Tupper is a horrible piece of journalism, and calling that tripe journalism is pretty loose interpretation of the word. Last year SDSU made the tourney, had their early bow out, and we had a run in a lesser tournament. Does anyone with a remotely partial mind believe that SDSU had the better outcome? Not a chance. They made the best out of their situation, but I would rather be one and done in the NCAA Tourney. Everyone would. Saying otherwise is just being a dumb homer. Tupper basically admits to it at the end anyways. Dumb homers shouldn't be allowed to keep their job after letting it show in their articles like that.
If any of our fans were bragging about our run last year to State fans while the bunnies sat home I hope that they were laughed out of the room.
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Post by jackjd on Apr 8, 2014 12:28:37 GMT -6
You have to make a distinction between reporting and opinion/editorial. The piece by the Daily Republic's publisher was an opinion piece. Newspapers have always presented opinions and they do that for several reasons including: 1) to cause their readers to think about an issue; and 2) to sometimes attempt to persuade the readers on a particular issue. Newspapers are acutely aware of the fact that an opinion piece can sometimes cause a loss in readership. In the past, there were examples of a newspaper picking up readers based on its opinion stance on a particular issue.
The primary point presented by Tupper was: SDSU got a lot of attention by its deep run in the WNIT, the second-best post-season tourney. Is that disputable? SDSU's team was on local TV news every day through its loss at UTEP and then for a couple days after that. They were in the local daily newspapers nearly every day.
Tupper didn't say the WNIT was better than the NCAA -- certainly SDSU would have preferred making it to the NCAA tourney. SDSU had to settle for the second-best tourney and it turned those lemons into lemonade with the WNIT final-four distinction. Tupper's opinion piece, it seems to me, was his comment on the amount of attention SDSU's team received following the Summit Tourney compared to the attention USD received following the Summit Tourney. That is pretty easy to measure by adding up print-media stories and electronic media stories and air time following the Summit Tourney. Think of this: if next year SDSU goes to the NCAA Tourney and loses in the first round, and USD goes to the WNIT and advances to the final four, don't you think USD would have very similar media attention that SDSU received this year? In that case, basketball fans in the region would all be talking about USD for a couple of weeks longer than any other school in the Summit League.
Meanwhile, everyone in the Summit should be focused on the day when the SL 1) gets more than one team into the NCAA Tourney; and 2) one or more SL teams win opening rounds and at least one team makes a run to the top eight and then the final four.
I think the more attention either SDSU or USD receives, the other school gets a side benefit. The only time that may not be true is if one school buries the other school and I don't see that happening in the near-term between the SDSU and USD womens' programs.
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Post by jackjd on Apr 8, 2014 12:29:27 GMT -6
Hey, yotemeal. Tell everybody about writing opinion pieces to stir up the readers.  (yotemeal was a very talented writer for the Volante a few years ago.) |
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Post by azsod73 on Apr 8, 2014 17:46:42 GMT -6
You have to make a distinction between reporting and opinion/editorial. The piece by the Daily Republic's publisher was an opinion piece. Newspapers have always presented opinions and they do that for several reasons including: 1) to cause their readers to think about an issue; and 2) to sometimes attempt to persuade the readers on a particular issue. Newspapers are acutely aware of the fact that an opinion piece can sometimes cause a loss in readership. In the past, there were examples of a newspaper picking up readers based on its opinion stance on a particular issue. The primary point presented by Tupper was: SDSU got a lot of attention by its deep run in the WNIT, the second-best post-season tourney. Is that disputable? SDSU's team was on local TV news every day through its loss at UTEP and then for a couple days after that. They were in the local daily newspapers nearly every day. Tupper didn't say the WNIT was better than the NCAA -- certainly SDSU would have preferred making it to the NCAA tourney. SDSU had to settle for the second-best tourney and it turned those lemons into lemonade with the WNIT final-four distinction. Tupper's opinion piece, it seems to me, was his comment on the amount of attention SDSU's team received following the Summit Tourney compared to the attention USD received following the Summit Tourney. That is pretty easy to measure by adding up print-media stories and electronic media stories and air time following the Summit Tourney. Think of this: if next year SDSU goes to the NCAA Tourney and loses in the first round, and USD goes to the WNIT and advances to the final four, don't you think USD would have very similar media attention that SDSU received this year? In that case, basketball fans in the region would all be talking about USD for a couple of weeks longer than any other school in the Summit League. Meanwhile, everyone in the Summit should be focused on the day when the SL 1) gets more than one team into the NCAA Tourney; and 2) one or more SL teams win opening rounds and at least one team makes a run to the top eight and then the final four. I think the more attention either SDSU or USD receives, the other school gets a side benefit. The only time that may not be true is if one school buries the other school and I don't see that happening in the near-term between the SDSU and USD womens' programs. Well, that's one way to spin it. But, too many juvenile jabs to be taken seriously. Tupper must have a well developed (and deserved) inferiority complex to express himself in that manner. |
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Post by jackjd on Apr 8, 2014 18:41:29 GMT -6
Ah, "spin" and "juvenile"...and the dreaded accusation of "inferiority complex" leveled at the newspaper publisher! I guess that says it all!
When getting upset about reading a newspaperman's opinion, which in this case was disclosed as a biased one, don't lose sight of the fact that no one has claimed they'd rather go to the WNIT than the NCAA Tourney. One can take away from the Tupper opinion piece that there may be a cross-over point at which a team can claim a WNIT run is better than a loss in the NCAA Tourney. I've watched SDSU lose in the first round of the NCAA Tourney and for me, the WNIT final four turned out to be a better experience. But, that's just me (apparently it's Tupper too).
Is there anyone who doubts that if the teams were reversed...heck, take SDSU out of the equation...if USD entered the WNIT and beat Creighton, Butler, Minnesota and Indiana and then lost in the final four by three points at the opponent's home court with 12,200+ screaming fans, that the media attention to USD would be different than what it was for SDSU this year? Come on Man!
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Post by Yotes on Apr 8, 2014 18:53:47 GMT -6
That opinion piece is the kind of thing that belongs on message board chatter, not in the newspaper of one of the largest cities in South Dakota. Minnesota won the Men's NIT, and it hit no one's radar. It's the NIT, it garners very little respect. Very few people care about the outcome of any NIT games, aside from their own fans. It's fair to say that SDSU made the best of their situation, and drew some big names to come play in their arena (I say big names because those teams were certainly living off past reputation this season), but to say it was a better outcome than winning the Summit Tourney and making the NCAA Tourney is pretty ignorant. But hey, if you guys just want to go to the NIT every year and let us be the state's one-and-done rep in the NCAA Tourney that is fine by me |
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Post by azsod73 on Apr 8, 2014 18:57:00 GMT -6
Ah, "spin" and "juvenile"...and the dreaded accusation of "inferiority complex" leveled at the newspaper publisher! I guess that says it all! When getting upset about reading a newspaperman's opinion, which in this case was disclosed as a biased one, don't lose sight of the fact that no one has claimed they'd rather go to the WNIT than the NCAA Tourney. One can take away from the Tupper opinion piece that there may be a cross-over point at which a team can claim a WNIT run is better than a loss in the NCAA Tourney. I've watched SDSU lose in the first round of the NCAA Tourney and for me, the WNIT final four turned out to be a better experience. But, that's just me (apparently it's Tupper too). Is there anyone who doubts that if the teams were reversed...heck, take SDSU out of the equation...if USD entered the WNIT and beat Creighton, Butler, Minnesota and Indiana and then lost in the final four by three points at the opponent's home court with 12,200+ screaming fans, that the media attention to USD would be different than what it was for SDSU this year? Come on Man! Not arguing the points you are making, just Tupper's delivery. |
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Post by jackjd on Apr 8, 2014 19:26:43 GMT -6
...Minnesota won the Men's NIT, and it hit no one's radar. It's the NIT, it garners very little respect. Very few people care about the outcome of any NIT games, aside from their own fans.... But hey, if you guys just want to go to the NIT every year and let us be the state's one-and-done rep in the NCAA Tourney that is fine by me Attached is a picture of the upper-part of the front page of the Watertown Public Opinion newspaper from April 2, 2014, in which, at the very top, above the masthead, there's a large U of Minnesota logo with Goldy Gopher leaning on it, and it says "Gophers on Verge of NIT Title" followed by "Minnesota edges Florida State in semifinals, will face Southern Methodist on Thursday. Page 1B". The sports editor, page designer and others at WPO, which has the fourth greatest circulation in South Dakota* probably disagree with your assessment about Minnesota in the NIT. I disagree with your assessment too. I like Minnesota -- for NE South Dakota, its our closest major-conference school -- and hope young Pitino turns the program into a winner. I know your last sentence is meant to poke a little fun but do keep in mind that I do not claim and I am not aware of any SDSU fans who claim they prefer going to the WNIT over an NCAA berth. Our record since joining the Summit League shows our preference. *The Mitchell Daily Republic occasionally publishes circulation numbers which are greater than the WPO's. |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 8, 2014 19:50:41 GMT -6
I am very, very surprised to see the Watertown paper giving such attention to Minnesota's NIT Title. I can't imagine the Vermillion papers having a front page note about Nebraska having success in a sport, and Lincoln is a little closer to Vermillion than Minneapolis is to Watertown. I know there are plenty of Husker fans around, but still.
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Post by jackjd on Apr 8, 2014 20:23:03 GMT -6
And note that the page I showed in the picture was before they won the title. NE SD has a fairly strong connection to the Cities (radio, TV, the StarTribune is delivered every morning etc.). I'll admit driving the kids in for a Twins game and returning all in the same day. From Watertown, we're downtown in about three-and-a-half hours. Minnesota's basketball program is something that sports fans in this neck of the woods have followed. We have quite a few Nebraska fans too (everyone up here knows somebody in Tim Miles's family!) but if Minnesota could get its act together in football and basketball, I think quite a few up here would admit they are Gopher fans.
The fan dynamics are quite different in Vermillion since it's the home of USD. But I think the Yankton Press & Dakotan, while giving good press attention to USD, prints news about the Cornhuskers. Watertown's paper rarely has any news on the 'Huskers.
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