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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 23, 2014 15:23:04 GMT -6
More OT to come.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 23, 2014 15:32:34 GMT -6
Looks like it's just another OT loss. Rough.
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Post by usdcoyotes on Nov 23, 2014 15:39:22 GMT -6
The team doesn't quit but the results are losses. Rough weekend for all of us coyotes!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 23, 2014 16:21:23 GMT -6
Lets hope the team learns from everything from this weekend. First thing is to not fall behind so often. It would be nice to play from ahead some of the time. The team shows good fight which can be taken as a positive moving forward. They never give up even down 11 with under 5 minutes to play. Even down 20 with under 10 minutes to play.
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Post by miniravo on Nov 24, 2014 13:14:11 GMT -6
im not sure why your are so bent out of shape over thoesby? Evidently you didnt watch a single game last year? For every good play/decision he makes, he turns around and makes 2 bad ones. he tries to create his own shot but fails to realize when its not going to work which usually ends up in a turnover. Every once and a great while he gets bailed out by the refs. IF he would play under control and prove that his decision making has improved then i would agree that he at least deserves some minutes, but until he does that he will continue to ride the pine. Playing time on the court during games is not the only way to prove that you have improved either. Coaches evaluate practice more than anything because if you cant bring it in practice, how are they supposed to trust you in a game? His FG % last year was 39.2% (8th on the team) and his 3pt % was 30.1% (6th on the team) and he had an assist to turnover ratio of .54 to 1. So by the numbers he doesnt jump off the page and wow you. From what i have seen, you are either going to do it Smiths way or he will find someone who will. The first person i thought would fade away was Norris but it appears that he has bought into the system as well. In the end, its the players choice to either buy in and make it happen, or to purposely ignore the situation and fade away. I wouldn't say I was bent out of shape over him, but people seem to be ignoring stats and the fact he was brought to Vermillion for a reason. From what I can gather, Smith's starting 5 is one of sentiment; 2 players that he brought to SD and 3 players that are the only seniors on the team. Looking at the stats for this season so far, that FG% puts Thoseby above Bos, Harris and Kasperbauer. Yes, his game time is clearly lower than theirs so you would expect a higher percentage, but then you look at the other stats. Bos is playing over 4 times on average. With that, he's averaging 14.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 1.4 APG and 2.4 TPG. I appreciate that you can't simply multiply stats up, but for the sake of proving a point, if you take what Thoseby is averaging, you'd be looking at 15.8 PPG, 7 RPG, 1.8 APG and 0.9 TPG. I watched every game last season for the record, the majority of the time in the dead of night. I'm sure that you saw the game the other night and I'm sure you'll have great pleasure in pointing out to me that Larson had 23 points, because they are numbers that 'jump off the page and wow you'. But then you look at the box score and realise it took him 43 minutes to score 23 points, off of 8/19 shooting with 4 TO's. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this was college, not the NBA. Another thing, Smith's way seems to be 'if the going gets tough, throw in the towel'. We were down 57-34 and Smith went 5 in 5 out. To me, particularly with the way how this season has gone so far and him rarely abandoning his starters, implied that he just couldn't be bothered with the game anymore and figured he had nothing to lose by playing his bench; yet the bench had a stormer. I think he needs to trust his other players more and not be scared to drop the guys he likes. At the end of it, he should be doing what he can to win, regardless of who is on the floor.
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Post by canislatrans on Nov 24, 2014 15:19:05 GMT -6
Miniravo, I was in attendance for the Wofford game, one thing I can assure you Coach Smith didn't lose interest in the game!
I can't read minds, but the 5 for 5 subbing doesn't look all that strange when you realize that all 10 players had already played and subbed in/out. Whatever, the reason, Coach Smith had a plan, I'm sure.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 24, 2014 15:58:22 GMT -6
Miniravo, Coach Smith is already playing more players and spreading minutes better than any coach that USD has had in 30+ years. Barring a blow out, I can never remember Boots playing 12 guys regularly. In a good year his rotation might have been 8 guys.
This is a new coaching staff with a half new roster. They are playing tons of combinations to get a feel for what they have. Kudos to the staff for getting us talking about the basketball season this early in November. I don't remember this many people being this interested in Coyote basketball this early in the year, ever. That includes last year when Joey took over (I will acknowledge the terrible FB season has something to do with this).
I know what Thoseby was brought in for and I also know what we all expected from him. To say that he has (consistantly) failed to live up to expectations is an understatement. Everytime he gets on the court I pucker up and wait for him to try too hard, go out of control, force something and cause a bad play. I love his passion and it is obvious that he wants to make an impact, but it is fairly obvious that he does so at the expense of the rest of his team.
I strongly disagree that Smith has some sort of bias against incumbent players in favor of new ones. Frankly, I am quite shocked as how many minutes players like Kasperbauer, Larson and Norris have plaid. I sort of expected them to vanish from the team this year in lieu of the new guys. Instead, I would suggest that each of them have made significant strides to improve their OVERALL game (I acknowledge that Casey's shooting has been down).
Lastly, as a point of information, shooting percentages for the team thus far (according to SI.com):
Thoseby: 31.6% Harris: 41.7 Larson: 42.4 Burnette: 31.8 Hunter: 55.6 Bos: 33.3 Kasperbauer: 26.1 Robertson: 58.3 Davis: 60.0 Sparks: 66.7 Norris: 50.0 Mayot: 33.3
Unless you are regularly watching practice, let's not pretend to know more than the coaches know at this early point in the season.
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Post by miniravo on Nov 24, 2014 16:18:57 GMT -6
Miniravo, Coach Smith is already playing more players and spreading minutes better than any coach that USD has had in 30+ years. Barring a blow out, I can never remember Boots playing 12 guys regularly. In a good year his rotation might have been 8 guys. This is a new coaching staff with a half new roster. They are playing tons of combinations to get a feel for what they have. Kudos to the staff for getting us talking about the basketball season this early in November. I don't remember this many people being this interested in Coyote basketball this early in the year, ever. That includes last year when Joey took over (I will acknowledge the terrible FB season has something to do with this). I know what Thoseby was brought in for and I also know what we all expected from him. To say that he has (consistantly) failed to live up to expectations is an understatement. Everytime he gets on the court I pucker up and wait for him to try too hard, go out of control, force something and cause a bad play. I love his passion and it is obvious that he wants to make an impact, but it is fairly obvious that he does so at the expense of the rest of his team. I strongly disagree that Smith has some sort of bias against incumbent players in favor of new ones. Frankly, I am quite shocked as how many minutes players like Kasperbauer, Larson and Norris have plaid. I sort of expected them to vanish from the team this year in lieu of the new guys. Instead, I would suggest that each of them have made significant strides to improve their OVERALL game (I acknowledge that Casey's shooting has been down). Lastly, as a point of information, shooting percentages for the team thus far (according to SI.com): Thoseby: 31.6% Harris: 41.7 Larson: 42.4 Burnette: 31.8 Hunter: 55.6 Bos: 33.3 Kasperbauer: 26.1 Robertson: 58.3 Davis: 60.0 Sparks: 66.7 Norris: 50.0 Mayot: 33.3 Unless you are regularly watching practice, let's not pretend to know more than the coaches know at this early point in the season. I'm well aware of the shooting percentages, thanks. What I don't understand is why Smith didn't give the guys that fought back from 23 points down to almost tie the game an opportunity on Sunday afternoon. Surely that's just going to kill their confidence, particularly when their minutes in the following game were cut right back. It just seems like a strange tactic to ignore something that worked so well.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 24, 2014 16:20:12 GMT -6
Don't like 0-5 but I can understand it if the coach is going deep into the bench, figuring out what combinations of players he has to work with, and learning/preparing for the conference season. At the mid-major level all that really matters is how you perform in conference and winning the conference tournament. Every other game is nothing more than a glorified scrimmage as far as I am concerned.
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Post by usdcoyotes on Nov 24, 2014 17:22:32 GMT -6
Miniravo, Coach Smith is already playing more players and spreading minutes better than any coach that USD has had in 30+ years. Barring a blow out, I can never remember Boots playing 12 guys regularly. In a good year his rotation might have been 8 guys. This is a new coaching staff with a half new roster. They are playing tons of combinations to get a feel for what they have. Kudos to the staff for getting us talking about the basketball season this early in November. I don't remember this many people being this interested in Coyote basketball this early in the year, ever. That includes last year when Joey took over (I will acknowledge the terrible FB season has something to do with this). I know what Thoseby was brought in for and I also know what we all expected from him. To say that he has (consistantly) failed to live up to expectations is an understatement. Everytime he gets on the court I pucker up and wait for him to try too hard, go out of control, force something and cause a bad play. I love his passion and it is obvious that he wants to make an impact, but it is fairly obvious that he does so at the expense of the rest of his team. I strongly disagree that Smith has some sort of bias against incumbent players in favor of new ones. Frankly, I am quite shocked as how many minutes players like Kasperbauer, Larson and Norris have plaid. I sort of expected them to vanish from the team this year in lieu of the new guys. Instead, I would suggest that each of them have made significant strides to improve their OVERALL game (I acknowledge that Casey's shooting has been down). Lastly, as a point of information, shooting percentages for the team thus far (according to SI.com): Thoseby: 31.6% Harris: 41.7 Larson: 42.4 Burnette: 31.8 Hunter: 55.6 Bos: 33.3 Kasperbauer: 26.1 Robertson: 58.3 Davis: 60.0 Sparks: 66.7 Norris: 50.0 Mayot: 33.3 Unless you are regularly watching practice, let's not pretend to know more than the coaches know at this early point in the season. I'm well aware of the shooting percentages, thanks. What I don't understand is why Smith didn't give the guys that fought back from 23 points down to almost tie the game an opportunity on Sunday afternoon. Surely that's just going to kill their confidence, particularly when their minutes in the following game were cut right back. It just seems like a strange tactic to ignore something that worked so well. He might be spreading minutes around but if the results are losing then what are we gaining? Better figure out who are the best players to help us win games, I don't care if that's 5 or 8 or 12 but start winning against teams we should be beating at this point. And every game means something not just conference play! You can still be in the post season with enough wins.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 24, 2014 17:37:57 GMT -6
I can't believe how critical some of you are. Was everyone expecting to beat Stanford and sweep this tournament? Because I'm pretty sure we won 2 games away from home last year, and beyond those were just a train wreck most of the time. Anyone remember how badly we were getting blown out every road game towards the end of last year? This is a vast improvement.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 24, 2014 18:31:13 GMT -6
All that I am trying to point out is that unless you are in practice every day, I suspect the minutes being played by the players were earned prior to any game - at least at this point in the season. If things don't change, then you may have a point. Right now it just sounds like a man crush for Thoseby.
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Post by usdcoyotes on Nov 24, 2014 18:59:29 GMT -6
I can't believe how critical some of you are. Was everyone expecting to beat Stanford and sweep this tournament? Because I'm pretty sure we won 2 games away from home last year, and beyond those were just a train wreck most of the time. Anyone remember how badly we were getting blown out every road game towards the end of last year? This is a vast improvement. Vast improvement?? 0-5 and 4 of those teams were beatable. It will take some time but this team is good enough to not be winless at this point.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 24, 2014 19:32:13 GMT -6
I'm not as knowledgable about basketball as maybe football, but I will give my 2 cents worth anyway. I did watch the tournament this weekend, and I will make the following observations.
1.) Out of the four teams out there, I would say we were third. Wofford is definitely better than we are. Sam Houston State I would say is a little better than we are, and in opinion, we were better than Fairfield.
2.) Playing the late game and going 3 OT's the first night, then tuning around and playing the first game Saturday was awfully hard on them, and although some might say suck it up, I will say you go play a game and a half and turn around and play an NCAA tournament team tough on maybe 17 hours.
3.) There's no excuse for our performance against Fairfield, but this wasn't a case of them giving up. I never saw that once out there. In fact, they did comeback against fairfield the last 5 minutes to send it to OT.
4.) I have to assume there's no way we ever beat Stanford more than once every 20 years, and I can't speak for Utah valley State.
5.) Coach Smith never once gave up nor did his staff. Not did the players. Against Wofford, they were just pooped.
It's way to early to say we are better, or we are worse. I don't know. Vos played well out there, as did Larson. Casey played better against Fairfield. The first night out big guy didn't play because he had a bad ankle. If I had a complaint, I would just say we aren't very tough, but, I would say that we are tougher than the past few years.
Give this staff a chance to turn it around. Basketball can be turned quicker than football, that's the good news. Help is on the way with his two recruits, so everyone just stand pat, wear red, and give these guys a chance. We won't win the summit, but I do think we will compete.
Just my thoughts.
YFE
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Post by usdcoyotes on Nov 24, 2014 19:50:11 GMT -6
I'm not as knowledgable about basketball as maybe football, but I will give my 2 cents worth anyway. I did watch the tournament this weekend, and I will make the following observations. 1.) Out of the four teams out there, I would say we were third. Wofford is definitely better than we are. Sam Houston State I would say is a little better than we are, and in opinion, we were better than Fairfield. 2.) Playing the late game and going 3 OT's the first night, then tuning around and playing the first game Saturday was awfully hard on them, and although some might say suck it up, I will say you go play a game and a half and turn around and play an NCAA tournament team tough on maybe 17 hours. 3.) There's no excuse for our performance against Fairfield, but this wasn't a case of them giving up. I never saw that once out there. In fact, they did comeback against fairfield the last 5 minutes to send it to OT. 4.) I have to assume there's no way we ever beat Stanford more than once every 20 years, and I can't speak for Utah valley State. 5.) Coach Smith never once gave up nor did his staff. Not did the players. Against Wofford, they were just pooped. It's way to early to say we are better, or we are worse. I don't know. Vos played well out there, as did Larson. Casey played better against Fairfield. The first night out big guy didn't play because he had a bad ankle. If I had a complaint, I would just say we aren't very tough, but, I would say that we are tougher than the past few years. Give this staff a chance to turn it around. Basketball can be turned quicker than football, that's the good news. Help is on the way with his two recruits, so everyone just stand pat, wear red, and give these guys a chance. We won't win the summit, but I do think we will compete. Just my thoughts. YFE Thank you yote forever, very good points and knowledge
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