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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 5, 2016 16:24:39 GMT -6
Another point overlooked is SDSU is basing these revenue numbers on current and future increased attendance when this is the best 4 years in the history of their football program. What happens when they go back to missing the playoffs and have a losing record. Risky move leveraging the new machine shed and stadium on ticket sales at record highs. What happens when they have a little cold weather and nobody shows up for the games like we've seen time after time happen in Brookings?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 16:49:53 GMT -6
Another point overlooked is SDSU is basing these revenue numbers on current and future increased attendance when this is the best 4 years in the history of their football program. What happens when they go back to missing the playoffs and have a losing record. Risky move leveraging the new machine shed and stadium on ticket sales at record highs. What happens when they have a little cold weather and nobody shows up for the games like we've seen time after time happen in Brookings? You really want to bring up attendance?
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Post by golfingyote on Feb 5, 2016 17:19:07 GMT -6
It is unbelievably funny that the COA situation with SDSU football is has essentially been swept under the rug on their board. Why is no one talking about it there? Where are the same fools who were "pounding their chests" over multi year contracts and usd's "backwards way of implementing FCOA". Not only were they the last in the Dakotas to come up with a plan, but they also limped in with a sketchy don't leave us behind approach. I'd love to poke the bear over there but filbert would ban me before I could click post.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 5, 2016 18:45:47 GMT -6
They keep referring to themselves as fiscally responsible. Sell says it in the article; the (uninformed) folks on their board say it. Their new stadium is Exhibit A of not being fiscally responsible. They are building it to be larger than NDSU, but they might sell it out once a year and a TON of those folks will be from Fargo (a similar comment they make about USD). They plan to pay for it with ticket sales - sure. They are spending principal dollars from their foundation. But, but, but, when they get invited to the WAC they need a seating capacity that big! No, you need an average attendance of 15,000 for FBS. 2014 avg for SDSU - 10,934. USD - 8,409. NDSU - 18,571. fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2014.pdffs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdfYou want to talk fiscal responsibility? You only need to look one place - the difference in the way the foundations operate. USD will not spend principal dollars. Period. The wide gap in the size of the foundations says it all. But keep claiming USD doesn't have the money for FCOA and whatever else. For the econ majors, I realize you probably can't comprehend finance. Principal is the actual dollars that are donated. Interest is the money earned from those dollars in the market. Oh no...I opened a can of worms. The market is...well, just think of it as the place where people buy your grain and cattle... The facts are this: USD is getting funding from students - Yes. Those funds are earmarked for NEW staff salaries and increases over the next three years. No funds are being "shifted" from anywhere - that doesn't work, if you understand math, or accounting. I guess the College does have econ majors though - that is basically a business school. USD still has to maintain the current budget - you can't "shift" funds that are already set to be spent. The only way to "shift" funds is to cut something OR to not pay/hire the staff in the manner they have pledged. Well, I have seen Nielson's salary. I have seen the increase in staff this year; the planned hires for next year; the hires for the year after that. Where is the shift??? It is like talking to petulant children. Money spent is money spent. If a line item goes down, THEN you can cry foul. News flash - it isn't going to happen. Do they teach accounting in the econ class? Ag-Business just tells you to hire a cheap tax guy, buy a ton of equipment at the end of the year, accelerate the depreciation and then bitch to the government for a subsidy. I would guess you have heard the term 179 before... Donations are up and the University is supporting the move. ONWARD is doing well, because we have AMAZING people working on it. Our foundation staff is second to none. How is this so hard to comprehend for SDSU? Further, the Howling Pack is increasing by over 10% per year. I hope ANY member of this board that is a USD supporter will give to the Howling Pack, even if it is just a little bit. $100 per year is all it takes - pay it monthly if you have to. This is how the big boys play. There is no magic ticket sales money or athletics funding fairy. As an example, the MINIMUM donation to buy tickets at Nebraska this year is $150/seat for nose bleeds and obstructed view - anything worth a damn is $500-2500/seat. GET ON BOARD! Well written and thought out post CE
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 5, 2016 18:47:37 GMT -6
Shutting down the Equestrian team. Horse sale proceeds to pay for FCOA. Also heard they were planning on holding a meat raffle. It's grass roots activities like that meat raffle that makes me question whether we will ever catch up to them. Maybe someday. OMG a meat raffle, that is hilarious.
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Post by wrj on Feb 5, 2016 19:36:12 GMT -6
Shutting down the Equestrian team. Horse sale proceeds to pay for FCOA. Also heard they were planning on holding a meat raffle. It's grass roots activities like that meat raffle that makes me question whether we will ever catch up to them. Maybe someday. OMG a meat raffle, that is hilarious. I don't believe the horses can be sold. I think that they are on loan from a number of SDSU Equestrian supporters. And, it is actually an auction, not a raffle.
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Post by canislatrans on Feb 6, 2016 11:35:13 GMT -6
They keep referring to themselves as fiscally responsible. Sell says it in the article; the (uninformed) folks on their board say it. Their new stadium is Exhibit A of not being fiscally responsible. They are building it to be larger than NDSU, but they might sell it out once a year and a TON of those folks will be from Fargo (a similar comment they make about USD). They plan to pay for it with ticket sales - sure. They are spending principal dollars from their foundation. But, but, but, when they get invited to the WAC they need a seating capacity that big! No, you need an average attendance of 15,000 for FBS. 2014 avg for SDSU - 10,934. USD - 8,409. NDSU - 18,571. fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2014.pdffs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdfYou want to talk fiscal responsibility? You only need to look one place - the difference in the way the foundations operate. USD will not spend principal dollars. Period. The wide gap in the size of the foundations says it all. But keep claiming USD doesn't have the money for FCOA and whatever else. For the econ majors, I realize you probably can't comprehend finance. Principal is the actual dollars that are donated. Interest is the money earned from those dollars in the market. Oh no...I opened a can of worms. The market is...well, just think of it as the place where people buy your grain and cattle... The facts are this: USD is getting funding from students - Yes. Those funds are earmarked for NEW staff salaries and increases over the next three years. No funds are being "shifted" from anywhere - that doesn't work, if you understand math, or accounting. I guess the College does have econ majors though - that is basically a business school. USD still has to maintain the current budget - you can't "shift" funds that are already set to be spent. The only way to "shift" funds is to cut something OR to not pay/hire the staff in the manner they have pledged. Well, I have seen Nielson's salary. I have seen the increase in staff this year; the planned hires for next year; the hires for the year after that. Where is the shift??? It is like talking to petulant children. Money spent is money spent. If a line item goes down, THEN you can cry foul. News flash - it isn't going to happen. Do they teach accounting in the econ class? Ag-Business just tells you to hire a cheap tax guy, buy a ton of equipment at the end of the year, accelerate the depreciation and then bitch to the government for a subsidy. I would guess you have heard the term 179 before... Donations are up and the University is supporting the move. ONWARD is doing well, because we have AMAZING people working on it. Our foundation staff is second to none. How is this so hard to comprehend for SDSU? Further, the Howling Pack is increasing by over 10% per year. I hope ANY member of this board that is a USD supporter will give to the Howling Pack, even if it is just a little bit. $100 per year is all it takes - pay it monthly if you have to. This is how the big boys play. There is no magic ticket sales money or athletics funding fairy. As an example, the MINIMUM donation to buy tickets at Nebraska this year is $150/seat for nose bleeds and obstructed view - anything worth a damn is $500-2500/seat. GET ON BOARD! One of the best posts I've read on the board, way above Smack standards
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 6, 2016 13:25:27 GMT -6
OMG a meat raffle, that is hilarious. I don't believe the horses can be sold. I think that they are on loan from a number of SDSU Equestrian supporters. And, it is actually an auction, not a raffle. Smack section, don't let details get in the way. You really don't know what meat raffle is, do you?
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Post by wrj on Feb 6, 2016 18:18:13 GMT -6
I don't believe the horses can be sold. I think that they are on loan from a number of SDSU Equestrian supporters. And, it is actually an auction, not a raffle. Smack section, don't let details get in the way. You really don't know what meat raffle is, do you? I strongly suspected your first statement after reading the thread. I can confirm your second statement to be true. There are some things that I never needed to know. I didn't go to USD.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 6, 2016 20:21:01 GMT -6
Not sure if your mind is in the gutter but it's when you hold a raffle and the prize is a side of beef.
Now my joke is ruined.
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Post by yote14 on Feb 8, 2016 11:59:03 GMT -6
Another point overlooked is SDSU is basing these revenue numbers on current and future increased attendance when this is the best 4 years in the history of their football program. What happens when they go back to missing the playoffs and have a losing record. Risky move leveraging the new machine shed and stadium on ticket sales at record highs. What happens when they have a little cold weather and nobody shows up for the games like we've seen time after time happen in Brookings? Agreed. Like cold weather during their first home playoff game in decades against Eastern Illinois and there was 4,000 fans at the game. I wonder what 4,000 fans looks like in a stadium that holds 19k.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 13:29:56 GMT -6
What happens when they have a little cold weather and nobody shows up for the games like we've seen time after time happen in Brookings? Agreed. Like cold weather during their first home playoff game in decades against Eastern Illinois and there was 4,000 fans at the game. I wonder what 4,000 fans looks like in a stadium that holds 19k. How is USD home playoff attendance? Oh wait, never mind. But in all seriousness, it would probably look like what a regluar home USD football/basketball game looks like.
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Post by wintheday on Feb 11, 2016 18:27:07 GMT -6
Thought this was pretty interesting, it almost sounds like he is hoping for this contract situation to pass. I mean, I thought SDSU didn't need/want 1 year contracts!
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Post by yote14 on Feb 12, 2016 8:24:29 GMT -6
They were just doing multi year contracts the responsible way............complaining they are not needed and then wanting them once someone else does. Another example of them sucking the hind tit and letting USD take the lead.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 4, 2016 15:49:47 GMT -6
Another example of them sucking the hind tit and letting USD take the lead. Like taking the jump to DI, or making the playoffs, or conference championships, winning post season games. Oh crap, those were all SDSU. My bad. So outside of blurting out we're offering FCOA first or trying to leverage multi year contracts (which I agree with should be offered), what have you taken the lead with again? Oh your one win against NDSU? K, how's it smell in the cellar of the MVFC? Or when you just live there the entirety of your membership do you just get used to the stench? Just curious. You know who has a similar success situation as you guys? Missiouri State. That's the standard I would hold myself to.
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