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Post by yodayote on Nov 24, 2015 13:05:47 GMT -6
...Look at SDSU right now. Half their posters want Stig gone. That's laughable. The man has won more games probably than any other recent coach and is 8-3 this year.... I have to call you on that one, my friend. You're reading some message board posts from a few Jacks fans who are frustrated in particular with calling one play on offense (the "flash" or "wildcat" when we have no quarterback on the field and the ball is hiked directly to a running back -- you and I with our bad knees may be able to stop that play). Board stats for SDSUFans.com show 2,291 members with 228 deemed "active". Do you know how many alums SDSU has? Hint: the number is significantly greater than USD's alum numbers ... I am only citing that fact for the proposition that there are a lot of SDSU fans who do not appear on the message board. Just like there are tens of thousands of Coyote fans who don't appear on this message board. Captain obvious here: Message board posters don't speak for a fan group. A few message board posters don't speak for an entire message-board's membership. If you polled rank-and-file Jackrabbit fans, even those who are irritated with the play calling, you'll find overwhelming support for Coach Stig. Show me one post on the SDSU message board this season in which a poster has called for the dismissal of Coach Stig. Even if there was one fan who called for Stig's dismissal, you guys know first-hand how incorrect it is to judge a fan base by a few posters on a fan message board (hint: CF). I'm posting my comments because I have to think there are a number of loyal USD fans who read this board but are smarter than you and me, YFE, because they're not wasting their valuable time reading other messages boards --  -- and they shouldn't be left with a false impression based on your post. SDSU fans were not pleased to lose the three games we lost. The last one, at WIU, kept us from getting a high seed and the first round bye in the playoffs.* This is the fourth year in a row we've made the playoffs and the people who post on the message board, naturally so, want to attain more than winning the opening round playoff game. Our coaches and team feel the same. USD's coaches, team and fans will likewise feel the same as you continue to improve. [*It was interesting to see the other ramifications of the WIU win: WIU gets into the playoffs with a six-win season...bouncing out North Dakota with seven wins. That tells us all what the NCAA committee thinks about the toughness of the MVFC.] Ok, maybe he was embellishing a bit, but I have seen fire the coach type of thread or comments on USD, SDSU, NDSU, UNI, YSU, & SIU message boards this year alone. I did not visit either ISU, ISU, MSU, or WIU but I would have to think they have "wing-nuts" there as well.....somebody is always pissed at the coach. |
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Post by yote14 on Nov 24, 2015 13:34:27 GMT -6
I heard my fair share of Stig is not the guy and has to go comments this year too. Especially after the NDSU thromping and the UNI loss on the sketchy 4th down play.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 24, 2015 14:45:31 GMT -6
...Look at SDSU right now. Half their posters want Stig gone. That's laughable. The man has won more games probably than any other recent coach and is 8-3 this year.... I have to call you on that one, my friend. You're reading some message board posts from a few Jacks fans who are frustrated in particular with calling one play on offense (the "flash" or "wildcat" when we have no quarterback on the field and the ball is hiked directly to a running back -- you and I with our bad knees may be able to stop that play). Board stats for SDSUFans.com show 2,291 members with 228 deemed "active". Do you know how many alums SDSU has? Hint: the number is significantly greater than USD's alum numbers ... I am only citing that fact for the proposition that there are a lot of SDSU fans who do not appear on the message board. Just like there are tens of thousands of Coyote fans who don't appear on this message board. Captain obvious here: Message board posters don't speak for a fan group. A few message board posters don't speak for an entire message-board's membership. If you polled rank-and-file Jackrabbit fans, even those who are irritated with the play calling, you'll find overwhelming support for Coach Stig. Show me one post on the SDSU message board this season in which a poster has called for the dismissal of Coach Stig. Even if there was one fan who called for Stig's dismissal, you guys know first-hand how incorrect it is to judge a fan base by a few posters on a fan message board (hint: CF). I'm posting my comments because I have to think there are a number of loyal USD fans who read this board but are smarter than you and me, YFE, because they're not wasting their valuable time reading other messages boards -- -- and they shouldn't be left with a false impression based on your post. SDSU fans were not pleased to lose the three games we lost. The last one, at WIU, kept us from getting a high seed and the first round bye in the playoffs.* This is the fourth year in a row we've made the playoffs and the people who post on the message board, naturally so, want to attain more than winning the opening round playoff game. Our coaches and team feel the same. USD's coaches, team and fans will likewise feel the same as you continue to improve. [*It was interesting to see the other ramifications of the WIU win: WIU gets into the playoffs with a six-win season...bouncing out North Dakota with seven wins. That tells us all what the NCAA committee thinks about the toughness of the MVFC.] JackJD, call me out all you want, but I remain steadfast in my post. What I said was this....."half the posters on the SDSU fan board want Stig to be fored and replaced or gone". You say it isnt so. Again, half your regular posters indeed are clammoring for change. And all I said was that's a joke. It is. I realize your regular posters don't represent your fan base anymore than our posters represent ours. But that's not what I said. I didn't call out your fan base, I calledou out your regular posters ( some of them). Your board has more participants and is far more active, but your board is also very intolerant of a Coyote fan posting anything remotely negative against SDSU, even if it's smack. Our board is far more tolerant of Jacks fans coming here and posting and getting into spirited debate. We even have posters that agree with your posters on here if they make sense. You're a good guy and I like Nidaros and a few others as well. But you have many active posters that are so out of touch with reality in sports it is indeed laughable. I stand by my post. |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 24, 2015 14:51:21 GMT -6
JackJD, you're a good guy, and we have become friends. I don't want to take you on in a public forum, it's pointless. I love having discussions with you and a few others on your board, but as you know, that's hard to do because of the actions of a few. This board by and large accepts input and spirited debate with SDSU fans. I think that's fun. And although our board is much smaller and less active, it is fair for the most part.
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Post by jackl on Nov 24, 2015 14:58:30 GMT -6
I heard my fair share of Stig is not the guy and has to go comments this year too. Especially after the NDSU thromping and the UNI loss on the sketchy 4th down play. There's about 900 posts in those two threads and i bet you won't find 2 or 3 posters saying Stig should go. LOL at half our posters want him fired. |
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Post by jackl on Nov 24, 2015 15:02:31 GMT -6
You're not going to find the athletes in the area to run this offense. It's one of the reasons why NDSU has been so successful. Not taking a shot at SDSU here but if the power run game is the only way to win in the MVFC how is SDSU having the best season in the history of their program this year with a non existent running game?
Obviously they found some athletes (Weineke) that allows them to have a bad run game this year and they are successful without it.
Not sure who thinks this is the best Jack team ever because i sure don't. We are averaging about 35 net rushing yds. per game less this year than last. Considering who we lost as our RB, i don't these that is too bad of drop or a "non-existent running game". |
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 24, 2015 21:14:43 GMT -6
jackd don't know squat. keep going yoteforever lol
Ive heard everyone from USF coaches to Lennon at SIU to Bohl coming to USD. 0 of those will happen in my opinion
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2015 21:51:05 GMT -6
jackd don't know squat. keep going yoteforever lol Ive heard everyone from USF coaches to Lennon at SIU to Bohl coming to USD. 0 of those will happen in my opinion I agree with your first sentence and I heard the nursing home unit has been out looking for JackJD. There is quite a bit of dementia going on there so it's a touch and go situation. I wouldn't be so quick to think you will be right with the last part. I doubt Bohl is coming but there is a significant chance that one of the former USF coaches or Stugart will be the guy. If you don't think it will be the above mentioned than who do you think the realistic candidates will be? |
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 24, 2015 21:56:45 GMT -6
Dale Lennon wasn't fired today, he has 1 year left. their AD said they will decide next week..
meaning they are hoping someone would take lennon off their hands, maybe USD's AD has talked to SIU AD?
I would go after Deboar (spelling) wherever he is at if I were USD/
If I was USD I would go after Minnesota Gopher's Limegrover , he needs head coaching experience
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Post by Yotes on Nov 24, 2015 22:00:46 GMT -6
I wouldn't go after Lennon. Makes no sense to chase a guy who has shown he can't succeed in the MVFC.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2015 22:03:59 GMT -6
I wouldn't go after Lennon. Makes no sense to chase a guy who has shown he can't succeed in the MVFC. I agreed probably not the best choice. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2015 22:20:14 GMT -6
Since it has been a bit slow today on the new names I will throw out an intriguing one. How about John Wristen of Colorado State-Pueblo. He is coming off of a national title last year in D2. His last 5 years he compiled a 59-5 record. Now that is dominance. Never had more than 1 loss in any given year during that time span. The bad news is that he coached in the RMAC which isn't one of the best conferences but his success translated outside the RMAC as well.
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 24, 2015 22:24:47 GMT -6
oh I wouldn't touch lennon with jackmd's pole.
go after an iowa state or Minnesota coordinator or QB's coach, that's what I would do.
or Montana States Robert ASH is looking for a job... ahem.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 24, 2015 22:36:34 GMT -6
Just because someone is a coordinator at a FBS program does not necessarily make them a good head football coach at the FCS level. If it is a coordinator that would be the choice they better well have dominated in their craft, especially if they have limited to no head coaching experience. Neither Minnesota nor Iowa State are exactly tradition rich programs and I don't see any coordinators at either place setting the world on fire. I would rather look for a head coach that has turned around a program and is winning at a place that isn't used to winning and it doesn't need to be a copy cat coach that has no imagination that has to have experience in the Missouri Valley.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 25, 2015 8:56:23 GMT -6
There won't be any Minnesota coordinators coming here. That is Kill's crew, those guys have been coachign together for years and have moved up the ranks together. Now that Tracy Claeys has the job none of those assistants will be going anywhere, that staff will remain intact.
If we hire a former Iowa State guy I will give up on this program. I'm serious. There is nothing good about anything at Iowa State right now.
The RMAC is pretty far from the MVFC in terms of competition. If we are dipping out of the D2 ranks (which I don't think we should) it should be somebody out of the NSIC or the MIAA because at least those conferences are highly competitive and within our footprint.
It will hopefully be somebody with some higher level experience as an assistant, whether that is FCS, FBS, or NFL and maybe has had some experience as a head coach at some level. I've heard a few names thrown out here of former Yotes or guys with past connections to USD, alot of these guys I know pretty well since they are in my wheelhouse age-wise. You can bet there will be at least a few of them that will throw their hat in the ring, as they should because it is not often you get to coach your alma mater.
My take is that whoever it is better know what it takes to win at this level, which IMO this conference is about on the level of a G5 FBS conference. Which means alot of the names you guys have been throwing out aren't going to fit the profile of the coach we need and are looking for. If you can take anything away from the Smith hiring on the basketball side it is that this university can attract a quality coach. Herbster has high standards for this program and has had plenty of time to get his feelers out there. I guaranteee he's got a short list of quality candidates lined up already. We won't be starting blind in this process, IMO.
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-- and they shouldn't be left with a false impression based on your post. 
