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Post by coyote61 on Nov 25, 2015 8:58:19 GMT -6
A little disappointed that Joe really went out of his way to recommend Wes. If I have one criticism of Joe, it was that he was a little to loyal to his assistants, especially Triplett. It's kind of like when Boots recommended Joey James. Not quite the same situation, but none the less puts an uncomfortable feeling on the admin and Herbster. I really feel strongly that Wes does not get the position. The MVFC knows his offense is the most predictable and easily defended offense in the league. He's kind of in the same boat as Joe. Great Coyote player, deserves to be in our hall of fame like Joe. Just don't think he's ready to be our head coach just yet. Wes needs to maybe dabble in Div. 2 a while and work his way back up.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 25, 2015 9:23:58 GMT -6
No, it's not really like when Boots retired. If it was like when Boots retired Joe would have waited until August 1 to announce his retirement thereby ensuring that Wes got his shot that upcoming season. Joe did the right thing in announcing his retirement immediately after the season. I don't have any problem with him endorsing Wes. We've all known for years that Joe thinks highly of Wes and I'm sure Wes will get fair consideration for the position. If he doesn't get it I am also certain that Wes will land on his feet somewhere, probably as a head coach at a D2 or D3 school, and will begin to work his way up the coaching ranks. Wes is a good guy and a good coach, he'll be fine.
Let's not get too sentimental here. All these coaches are great guys and nobody wants to see any of them lose their jobs or have to move out of town as they are woven into the fabric of this community. But the reality is that these guys know more than any of us about the life of a coach. This is the profession they chose and every coach knows the day will eventually come when they will need to move on to somewhere else, with a few rare exceptions.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 25, 2015 9:33:02 GMT -6
I don't know what else you would expect from Coach Glenn. I don't really know if Joe truly believes Wesley should get the job, but I think he is loyal and wants to help out a young coach. With Joe's endorsement, Wesley can now use that when he applies for other jobs. Other ADs may look at Wesley and say "Wow, Joe Glenn felt like he was ready to take over at USD, lets give him a shot here". Its pretty common practice in the coaching industry to endorse somebody on the current staff when you retire. Its almost like a "thank you for all you have done" sort of thing. I'm not sure how many times that the guy who gets endorsed actually gets hired, but like I said, I see it as more of a common courtesy between coaches more than anything.
I also know that one of the reasons that Joe took this job was to take Wesley under his wing and prepare him for a larger role. Might have even been a stipulation that said Wesley gets a shot at an interview when Joe steps down.
I am not in the "Wesley for head coach" camp, but I do think that we at least owe him an interview for the job, if nothing else to set him up for future opportunities, elsewhere. I don't think that is too much to ask of us for all that he has given to this program and University.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 25, 2015 10:04:16 GMT -6
I am not in the "Wesley for head coach" camp, but I do think that we at least owe him an interview for the job, if nothing else to set him up for future opportunities, elsewhere. I don't think that is too much to ask of us for all that he has given to this program and University. Absolutely. |
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Post by 88grad on Nov 25, 2015 10:18:08 GMT -6
If Wesley were to become HC don't forget, there would be a new OC hired so any talk about his offense being "the most easily defended" holds no water.
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Post by teamsd on Nov 25, 2015 13:06:21 GMT -6
No, it's not really like when Boots retired. If it was like when Boots retired Joe would have waited until August 1 to announce his retirement thereby ensuring that Wes got his shot that upcoming season. Joe did the right thing in announcing his retirement immediately after the season. I don't have any problem with him endorsing Wes. We've all known for years that Joe thinks highly of Wes and I'm sure Wes will get fair consideration for the position. If he doesn't get it I am also certain that Wes will land on his feet somewhere, probably as a head coach at a D2 or D3 school, and will begin to work his way up the coaching ranks. Wes is a good guy and a good coach, he'll be fine. Let's not get too sentimental here. All these coaches are great guys and nobody wants to see any of them lose their jobs or have to move out of town as they are woven into the fabric of this community. But the reality is that these guys know more than any of us about the life of a coach. This is the profession they chose and every coach knows the day will eventually come when they will need to move on to somewhere else, with a few rare exceptions. Well said. I think we have a well qualified staff who will have a shot at great opportunities if they are not apart of the next staff. |
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Post by wintheday on Nov 25, 2015 13:20:36 GMT -6
For the record, the new head coach should at least maintain one or two current staff members for recruiting sakes. These kids we brought in were under the assumption that they were going to play under Coach Glenn's staff, getting rid of the entire staff will lead to a few transfers in my opinion. Maintain the recruiting coordinator or some other very good recruiter to maintain the steady base already present.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 25, 2015 13:30:40 GMT -6
For the record, the new head coach should at least maintain one or two current staff members for recruiting sakes. These kids we brought in were under the assumption that they were going to play under Coach Glenn's staff, getting rid of the entire staff will lead to a few transfers in my opinion. Maintain the recruiting coordinator or some other very good recruiter to maintain the steady base already present. Everyone is guaranteed an interview here so it is certainly possible that at least one or two staff members stick around. |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 25, 2015 14:12:16 GMT -6
Possible, but more times than not a new coach will want his guys at the assistant positions. If the yotes go with a coach outside the current staff, I would guess they would not retain anyone.
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Post by yodayote on Nov 25, 2015 14:22:00 GMT -6
Possible, but more times than not a new coach will want his guys at the assistant positions. If the yotes go with a coach outside the current staff, I would guess they would not retain anyone. I disagree. It happens all the time where instead of an assistant keeping the same position at a new the school, he will stay at the old school and get a promotion by the vacated coaches. EX: offensive cooridinator now head coach. |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 25, 2015 15:02:09 GMT -6
What I mean is that if Wes or anyone else on the staff does not become HC, whoever they bring in would probably bring in an their own entirely new staff.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 25, 2015 15:19:45 GMT -6
What I mean is that if Wes or anyone else on the staff does not become HC, whoever they bring in would probably bring in an their own entirely new staff. I think that complete turnover in the staff is more likely if we hire a current head coach who already has a staff rather than a coordinator who will have compile one upon his hiring. |
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Post by coyote61 on Nov 25, 2015 16:02:33 GMT -6
No, it's not really like when Boots retired. If it was like when Boots retired Joe would have waited until August 1 to announce his retirement thereby ensuring that Wes got his shot that upcoming season. Joe did the right thing in announcing his retirement immediately after the season. I don't have any problem with him endorsing Wes. We've all known for years that Joe thinks highly of Wes and I'm sure Wes will get fair consideration for the position. If he doesn't get it I am also certain that Wes will land on his feet somewhere, probably as a head coach at a D2 or D3 school, and will begin to work his way up the coaching ranks. Wes is a good guy and a good coach, he'll be fine. Let's not get too sentimental here. All these coaches are great guys and nobody wants to see any of them lose their jobs or have to move out of town as they are woven into the fabric of this community. But the reality is that these guys know more than any of us about the life of a coach. This is the profession they chose and every coach knows the day will eventually come when they will need to move on to somewhere else, with a few rare exceptions.[/quote. The Boots comparison was a bad choice. I'm sure Joe thinks the world of Wes, and he may have learned things from Joe that will serve him well in the future. But over the last 4 years, I have not seen any improvement from Wes, that may be from Joes guidance, or lack of players on the field. I think this hire has to be a fresh start with a coach who has been a head coach before. I would love for Brad Salem to apply for the job, maybe he could coax his brother Tim to come back as well(old grade school friend) but I doubt he leaves Pittsburgh. A hire like Craig Smith would be the best case scenario. Go Yotes!! |
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Post by olifer on Nov 25, 2015 17:48:55 GMT -6
I've found it very interesting reading everyone's take on Joe's replacement and the potential outcome for all of the assistants. I think in many ways, hiring a D1 football head coach has got to be more difficult than hiring almost anyone else on campus due to the interweaving of other staff members, supporters, players (both current and future), and even conference opponents. I'm going to throw a somewhat controversial name into the discussion and see where it goes: Todd Hoffner at Mankato. The guy knows how to recruit, maximize the talent that he has, knows how to win consistently, and despite the media attention that he got a few years back, still remained committed to his own team. The fact that he was the OC at USD for a year also gives him at least a little bit of an idea of what to expect in Vermillion doesn't hurt either.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 25, 2015 19:00:34 GMT -6
I've found it very interesting reading everyone's take on Joe's replacement and the potential outcome for all of the assistants. I think in many ways, hiring a D1 football head coach has got to be more difficult than hiring almost anyone else on campus due to the interweaving of other staff members, supporters, players (both current and future), and even conference opponents. I'm going to throw a somewhat controversial name into the discussion and see where it goes: Todd Hoffner at Mankato. The guy knows how to recruit, maximize the talent that he has, knows how to win consistently, and despite the media attention that he got a few years back, still remained committed to his own team. The fact that he was the OC at USD for a year also gives him at least a little bit of an idea of what to expect in Vermillion doesn't hurt either. Is Todd Hoffner about to leave Mankato anytime soon? You mentioned his dedication to the team even when he was temporarily removed from his post, makes me wonder if he is ever going to leave Mankato. |
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