Van Ginkel Transfering

[Yote 53]

Jan 11, 2016 21:38:30 GMT -6 yotes96 said:

Jan 11, 2016 8:16:16 GMT -6 yodayote said:

Andrew Van Ginkel will be transferring to Iowa Western. I am not sure if he is already gone or will be transferring at the end of the semester.

To the people saying it is grade issues, coaching issues, selfish and a betrayal to his teammates: Andrew Van Ginkel was one of the most heartfelt players on the team. Never heard anything bad about him, never cocky to other players or coaches. One of the greatest players I've played with. Always looking out for others and helping his brothers on and off the field. Had an honor to meet and play with him. When he was deciding whether or not to leave, multiple coaches and players had/have his back so for people to say it's a betrayal, you are all wrong. This kid deserves the world and we all wished him the best when he left. It's a shame to see all the comments and hear the things people are saying and assuming about him. 


Jeremy Hoeck ‏@jhoeck 24 Oct 2015
Great moment in the USD press conference: DL Andrew Van Ginkel was walking out, Joe Glenn says to him, "Your heart is as big as this town."

He'll be missed but good luck to him in the future after JUCO. Ball out. I understand why and you deserve the best man. Good luck with everything. Yotes forever. 

I see a lot of former players on this board commenting on this. There are some former Coyote players who just disagree with your take on this and don't see it the way you do. It's not like there are a bunch of fans on here, don't know what they are talking about, and pulling things out of their arse. The other thing I notice, this is a generational thing. It seems the younger the perspective the more it is all about the individual and why the individual "deserves" something. The older perspective is much more about honoring your commitments.

I echo the sentiments of nccyote and fightsd. I don't wish any ill will for the kid. I'm not rooting against him. I just don't think it is going to work out. Some of us have had these experiences where we see guys come into the program/leave the program for one reason or another. How many times does it really work out? Not very often. I got a chuckle out of what Joe said because Vermillion is a pretty small town. I know what Joe was trying to convey, that the kid has a big heart, but you can read that a different way. Look, AVG is probably one of the nicest guys there is that doesn't mean he is immune from making mistakes or being in the wrong.

Coming out of high school USD gave him a scholarship opportunity and he accepted it. Where was Iowa, or Nebraska, or any of the other FBS schools? Nowhere. If the kid wanted to be a Hawkeye he could have walked-on right out of high school. Instead he chose to take USD's offer. Now that he has had some success, success due to the player development and playing opportunities he was given at USD, he is leaving to "chase his dream". I guess I am not ok with that. In the future, if a Coyote recruit just isn't working out or developing to the potential level we thought, are you guys all ok with USD pulling his scholarship and cutting him loose? Probably not, you'd say USD needs to honor its commitment. Well, the knife cuts both ways on that subject.

Doesn't matter, at this point done is done. This just frees up another scholarship that Coach Bob can use to build his team. Hate to lose a good player but we will be ok. Still great things on the horizon for Coyote football.

[WIU]

What is the difference if it's a coach or player leaves for greener pastures, the boy is chasing a dream.

[sdyotefan]

Interesting discussion and valid points on both sides. I lean toward the commitment side of the argument but understand the coach analogy too. I'm not an attorney (assume we have some out there so maybe they'd like to comment) but I think part of the problem is a commitment is a contract (I assume) for players but it is a contract with not too severe of penalties if it is broken. So in that regard it's probably surprising that it doesn't happen more often. If a coach's contract doesn't have significant penalties then coaches can move easier too. So maybe the "penalties" for both players and coaches need to increase?

Regardless sounds like Andrew is a great kid and teammate and I want to thank him for his time as a Coyote and I do wish him the very best in the future!!

[yotes96]

Jan 12, 2016 9:42:34 GMT -6 yotesfan1985 said:

If coaches can pursue their dreams by moving onto the next best job why shouldn't players be able to do the same? Maybe he was committed to the last coaching staff but did not feel a connection with the current staff. I don't know his reason for leaving but I appreciate everything you did this past year. good luck AVG

Coming from Gink himself- he chose USD over bigger colleges. He had other offers including a preferred walk on at Iowa but didn't know if he could move that far away from home. He's a family man. His family came to every single game no matter how far away it was- including his girlfriend. They helped him out alot and he felt like USD was the right choice. Made friends with everyone, memories, teammates, and bonded with us all. Including coaches. When Nielsen came in, everything changed. Gink lost his position coach  and as someone previously said, that was the final straw. From other sources, I hear he still has a lot of contact with his coach so he's been getting help from the inside-in on what to do. Heard Nielsen ran into his girlfriend when she was moving their things out of Vermillion and had a talk with her about trying to get him to come back weeks ago but all that was heard from that conversation was that he was already decided. He later met with Nielsen that day and Nielsen gave his complete support and told him he wishes him great success. Why can't more of the people on here be like that?? I completely disagree with everyone saying it was a selfish thing to do and that he is betraying USD. Would you care this much if he wasn't as good of a player? No, because there have been other players transferring that no one cares to mention. 

[yodayote]

I am not saying that some change didn't have to happen, but this is definitely a result of a coaching staff change.  It is not all "sunshine and rainbows," when change happens.  So if you clamored for a complete coaching change, you can't fault a kid for moving on as well.

[coyotecrazie5]

"Gink lost his position coach and as someone previously said, that was the final straw"

What was the final straw? A coaching change? Did he think Glenn would be around his entire 5 years? He needed to be close to home and now he doesn't? Coach Bob talked to his girlfriend and THEN Andrew went to talk to the coach? Why wouldn't he talk to the new coach before making up his mind? It just seems odd to me the way you are portraying his decision. Why wouldn't we want a good kid and a good player to stay on the team? It would be different to me if he knew he would have a scholly at an P5, but nothing is certain.

[fightsd]

Jan 12, 2016 10:39:22 GMT -6 yotes96 said:

I completely disagree with everyone saying it was a selfish thing to do and that he is betraying USD. Would you care this much if he wasn't as good of a player? No, because there have been other players transferring that no one cares to mention. 

When you sign an NLI, you are making a commitment to that program that you will play your college football there. USD gave him the opportunity to succeed, and he excelled in his role here. The program, his teammates, the university, and the fans were all benefiting from the commitment AVG made to USD. So please excuse my opinion that not honoring that commitment is a selfish thing to do.

To answer your other question, nobody mentions the other players that are transferring because it's a much different situation. It's one thing to transfer out if you're not receiving the opportunities you think you deserve or want to go to a lesser division to get some playing time, it's another when you're given every opportunity to succeed and be a star player but decide you're better than USD football.

You can't expect everyone to be happy about it, kid.

[Yotes]

I will agree that it is difficult to respect the decision to transfer when given every opportunity and what seems to be a healthy situation for a player. At the same time the kid is free to go wherever he pleases just as any coach is welcome to, so you can't deride the decision. Just the nature of college athletics I suppose.

[nccyote]

Jan 12, 2016 10:39:22 GMT -6 yotes96 said:

Jan 12, 2016 9:42:34 GMT -6 yotesfan1985 said:

If coaches can pursue their dreams by moving onto the next best job why shouldn't players be able to do the same? Maybe he was committed to the last coaching staff but did not feel a connection with the current staff. I don't know his reason for leaving but I appreciate everything you did this past year. good luck AVG

Coming from Gink himself- he chose USD over bigger colleges. He had other offers including a preferred walk on at Iowa but didn't know if he could move that far away from home. He's a family man. His family came to every single game no matter how far away it was- including his girlfriend. They helped him out alot and he felt like USD was the right choice. Made friends with everyone, memories, teammates, and bonded with us all. Including coaches. When Nielsen came in, everything changed. Gink lost his position coach  and as someone previously said, that was the final straw. From other sources, I hear he still has a lot of contact with his coach so he's been getting help from the inside-in on what to do. Heard Nielsen ran into his girlfriend when she was moving their things out of Vermillion and had a talk with her about trying to get him to come back weeks ago but all that was heard from that conversation was that he was already decided. He later met with Nielsen that day and Nielsen gave his complete support and told him he wishes him great success. Why can't more of the people on here be like that?? I completely disagree with everyone saying it was a selfish thing to do and that he is betraying USD. Would you care this much if he wasn't as good of a player? No, because there have been other players transferring that no one cares to mention. 

A player not playing would have a good reason to leave the program in search of an opportunity to get on the field somewhere else.  Team mates haven't dependent on a guy that doesn't play much.  They haven't followed a guy's leadership that only plays mop up time like they follow an All-American type.  That comparison isn't even in the same ballpark.  I get that he lost his position coach, I went through that during my time at the U twice.  I didn't day "F" it and leave all of my friends and team mates behind because of it.  In a lot of ways having different position coaches made me a better player because I took different things that each one taught and their individual perspectives and I think that made me better in a lot of ways.  If leaving because of your position coach not being retained was the #1 factor in his decision, that seems like a pretty fickle reasoning to me.  If he does get lucky enough to get to a FBS school and even make an NFL roster, will he leave because the staff changes, because it is more likely to change than stay the same...thats just the nature of the game.  

[nccyote]

My final thoughts on the topic. The bottom line, no matter how any of us feel, is that this is a 20(?) year old young man that made a decision that he thinks gives him the best opportunity to be successful. Whether we feel it is right, wrong, or indifferent...he is a young adult that shouldn't be judged by a bunch of people on a message board about his decision. He didn't break any laws, didn't degrade the University on his way out, represented USD to the fullest while he was here and made the Coyotes a heckuva lot better when he was on the field. While I might not agree with his choice, it is his right to take his talents elsewhere and sit out per NCAA rules and move on from USD.

When I feel like I am being too critical, I try to remind myself that this is a 20 year old amateur college athlete. Good luck to Mr. Van Ginkel and thanks to him for his time in Vermillion.

Go Yotes

[jackjd]

Jan 11, 2016 20:05:28 GMT -6 yotefan said:

Have to say that Goyotes' post above with the excerpt from the SDSU board made me chuckle. Especially, "but maybe SDSU has another shot at him." No way VG makes this decision only to end up at State. (emphasis on only) Presumptuous much?

Adding some context:

The poster who was excerpted from the SDSU fan board is a knowledgeable guy (apparently a coach) who, in the view of some (well, at least me and one of my friends), went tilt (back around the time when Van Ginkel committed to USD) over what he saw was the failure of SDSU's recruiters to recruit Northwest Iowa strongly enough. He referred in particular to two players he predicted would be stars. One was Van Ginkel and the other was a fellow named Snyder (looks like Snyder will be a stud for Iowa). That poster came on strongly with his opinions and, consequently (par for the course for message boards) met with some resistance (i.e. sarcasm, old-fashioned smart-assisms etc.). When his predictions about Van Ginkel and Snyder turned out to be true, he reminded the SDSU board. [For example, here's a link to a thread started in April of 2015...a little bit of a "told you so" thread: sdsufans.com/board/showthread.php?13977-Van-Ginkel-and-Snyder&p=272649#post272649 ]

My point: That particular poster on SDSU's board has pounded on everyone about how good Van Ginkel would be and now is. Wisecracks on the SDSU board on the topic of Van Ginkel are really directed at the strong opinions stated by the poster who has been voicing his upset since a couple years ago about SDSU was not recruiting NW Iowa. I think there's no question SDSU fans recognize Van Ginkel was a very good football player and I don't recall any disagreement with the MVFC awarding him the recognition it did.

So, the comments about SDSU maybe having another chance was sarcasm -- in the view of the particular poster excerpted on this board, SDSU missed the boat to begin with and his comment was a clever continuation of his criticism of how he perceived SDSU had recruited in NW Iowa.

Tough loss for USD...hard to understand when those things happen with a starter who was getting great recognition for his excellent play. Sometimes we see talented athletes transfer because they're not getting enough playing time. That we can understand. This one is hard to figure out but as a Jacks fan, I won't complain.

[golfingyote]

Jan 12, 2016 12:31:29 GMT -6 nccyote said:

My final thoughts on the topic. The bottom line, no matter how any of us feel, is that this is a 20(?) year old young man that made a decision that he thinks gives him the best opportunity to be successful. Whether we feel it is right, wrong, or indifferent...he is a young adult that shouldn't be judged by a bunch of people on a message board about his decision. He didn't break any laws, didn't degrade the University on his way out, represented USD to the fullest while he was here and made the Coyotes a heckuva lot better when he was on the field. While I might not agree with his choice, it is his right to take his talents elsewhere and sit out per NCAA rules and move on from USD.

When I feel like I am being too critical, I try to remind myself that this is a 20 year old amateur college athlete. Good luck to Mr. Van Ginkel and thanks to him for his time in Vermillion.

Go Yotes

Agree 100%

[formeryote]

It sucks – He’s a good player and will be missed. However, it’s not the first time or the last time that this will happen to this program. Unfortunately it will probably become more of norm in the future.

I agree as referenced AVG is a 20 year old man… Ten years from now he’ll have the opportunity to look back and determine whether this was a good decision or a bad one… But that’s up to him to determine, not me.

[yotesfan1985]

Jan 12, 2016 11:12:28 GMT -6 fightsd said:

Jan 12, 2016 10:39:22 GMT -6 yotes96 said:

I completely disagree with everyone saying it was a selfish thing to do and that he is betraying USD. Would you care this much if he wasn't as good of a player? No, because there have been other players transferring that no one cares to mention. 

When you sign an NLI, you are making a commitment to that program that you will play your college football there. USD gave him the opportunity to succeed, and he excelled in his role here. The program, his teammates, the university, and the fans were all benefiting from the commitment AVG made to USD. So please excuse my opinion that not honoring that commitment is a selfish thing to do.

To answer your other question, nobody mentions the other players that are transferring because it's a much different situation. It's one thing to transfer out if you're not receiving the opportunities you think you deserve or want to go to a lesser division to get some playing time, it's another when you're given every opportunity to succeed and be a star player but decide you're better than USD football.

You can't expect everyone to be happy about it, kid.

every player only has a one year contract if the coaches don't want to renew a players scholarship they don't have to and that has been done at USD also. So the cmittment argument probably dosnt hold much water

[fightsd]

Jan 12, 2016 14:12:05 GMT -6 yotesfan1985 said:

Jan 12, 2016 11:12:28 GMT -6 fightsd said:

When you sign an NLI, you are making a commitment to that program that you will play your college football there. USD gave him the opportunity to succeed, and he excelled in his role here. The program, his teammates, the university, and the fans were all benefiting from the commitment AVG made to USD. So please excuse my opinion that not honoring that commitment is a selfish thing to do.

To answer your other question, nobody mentions the other players that are transferring because it's a much different situation. It's one thing to transfer out if you're not receiving the opportunities you think you deserve or want to go to a lesser division to get some playing time, it's another when you're given every opportunity to succeed and be a star player but decide you're better than USD football.

You can't expect everyone to be happy about it, kid.

every player only has a one year contract if the coaches don't want to renew a players scholarship they don't have to and that has been done at USD also. So the cmittment argument probably dosnt hold much water

This situation has nothing to do with a program's commitment to a player. USD was obviously committed to AVG's success.