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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 9:07:25 GMT -6
Print being dead aside, I have enjoyed the coverage that Mick has put out this Fall.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 29, 2016 7:29:47 GMT -6
Mick and Zimmer are the only sports reporters there, I think. Tough times for the print media.
The business of news is hurting the product. Hard for those guys to do their jobs without proper resources.
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Post by wrj on Oct 29, 2016 11:26:33 GMT -6
I am curious about what the journalism schools are teaching the current students. How and what will they teach them in order to make a respectable living in the apparent shrinking journalism marketplace.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 10, 2017 20:33:28 GMT -6
www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/university-of-south-dakota/2017/02/10/usd-men-hot-sdsu-hobbled-heading-into-saturday/97739414/I am completed convinced that Mick Garry hates the Coyotes and hates being the beat writer for the Coyotes. He never shows any enthusiasm and this article to me is slanted against USD once again. His angles are at best neutral to the Yotes and probably more then likely underwelming. Terrv V and Zimmer are and were complete homers. Is this just the beat writers or is it the Argus Management telling them to be complete homers and telling Garry to put a negative slant on the Yotes. Here are some comments from Mick "which matches a pair of teams still looking for signs of magic as the Summit League tournament approaches." Looking for signs of magic Mick really, when did you write this sentence before last years Summit League tournament. Come on. The Coyotes are riding as high as they have been in years and they are hardly looking for signs of magic. That might fit SDSU but certainly not the Yotes. " regard coach Smith's comments “Hopefully our fans are going to come out and support us. We have such a great venue with the new arena. The spirit and atmosphere is tremendous.” Translation: He’s looking for any help he can get against SDSU, which enters the contest hobbled but with recent history on its side against the Coyotes (17-10, 8-4)." Really Mick, looking for all the help he can get. Is SDSU Kentucky Mick, SDSU is a mediocre Summit team at best and their road play for the most part has been atrocious. USD pretty much just needs a neutral court and they are clearly the better team and don't need all the help they can get. SDSU if anything needs all the help they can get as they are lower in the standing and coming into a raucous environment that will be severely against them. " More difficult to measure at this point is the confidence level (meaning USD, not SDSU) entering a centerpiece game. Can the Coyotes stay hot? They’ll have to beat a team that has defeated them eight of the last nine times in order to accomplish that." So Mick this is the second time you mentioned the recent history, and that history means very little. The Coyotes have a new and improved team while the Jacks have mostly new players and a new coach that have gone through some serious struggles and confidence issues this year. So Mick why is it hard to measure USD's confidence level. At this point of the season this is the most simple time as it has been all year to measure USD's confidence level. In case you have not been paying attention, which you probably have not been, the confidence level is pretty damn high right now and anyone with half a brain cell knows that. Let me tell you something Mick. SDSU will be lucky to be within 15 points at the end of this game. The stars are lining up for a big afternoon and a good performance for the Coyotes. The Jacks are the team that need all the help in the world because the Coyotes are simply the better basketball team and any slant you put on this matchup will not change that fact. The Argus needs a beat writer that truly enjoys covering the Coyotes because Mick is not that guy.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 16, 2017 14:08:26 GMT -6
Is Mick doing a chat this week or skipping again?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 20, 2017 0:32:50 GMT -6
www.argusleader.com/story/opinion/readers/2017/02/20/letter-show-usd-sports-coverage-love/98099288/Nice letter to the editor regarding USD sports coverage. I thought the exact same thing as this person writes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once again, the Argus Leader has not disappointed me. After a recent Saturday University of South Dakota vs. South Dakota State University game, friends gathered to relish the hard fought Coyote victory. It wasn’t long before we were predicting the Sunday morning sports headlines. Would it read, “USD barely manages to pull off a victory”? Or perhaps, “Despite SDSU’s awesomeness, they lose a close one”. The possibilities were endless. So when I read the Sunday bold headline, “Tellinghuisen has career day in loss,” I just chuckled. The Argus Leader can’t help it; just like the parents who have multiple kids, they subconsciously seem to make it about one kid ... their favorite (think SDSU). Even when they give the other kids (think USD) the attention they deserve, they inadvertently make it about their favorite, hence the bold print. Now, I must clarifly something. I harbor no ill will towards SDSU. It is a fine institution with great programs. Some of my best friends are SDSU graduates. SDSU also has a rich tradition of sports teams. I know this because the Argus Leader reminds me of this on a daily basis.
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Post by Linus on Feb 20, 2017 8:14:31 GMT -6
www.argusleader.com/story/opinion/readers/2017/02/20/letter-show-usd-sports-coverage-love/98099288/Nice letter to the editor regarding USD sports coverage. I thought the exact same thing as this person writes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once again, the Argus Leader has not disappointed me. After a recent Saturday University of South Dakota vs. South Dakota State University game, friends gathered to relish the hard fought Coyote victory. It wasn’t long before we were predicting the Sunday morning sports headlines. Would it read, “USD barely manages to pull off a victory”? Or perhaps, “Despite SDSU’s awesomeness, they lose a close one”. The possibilities were endless. So when I read the Sunday bold headline, “Tellinghuisen has career day in loss,” I just chuckled. The Argus Leader can’t help it; just like the parents who have multiple kids, they subconsciously seem to make it about one kid ... their favorite (think SDSU). Even when they give the other kids (think USD) the attention they deserve, they inadvertently make it about their favorite, hence the bold print. Now, I must clarifly something. I harbor no ill will towards SDSU. It is a fine institution with great programs. Some of my best friends are SDSU graduates. SDSU also has a rich tradition of sports teams. I know this because the Argus Leader reminds me of this on a daily basis. Both Mick Garry and Matt Zimmer were at the game that day. The article mentioned by the disgruntled USD fan was written by Zimmer. Frankly I thought the article on Tellinghuisen was very accurate and very well written. What did the OpEd writer expect - Zimmer to go to the game and not write an article? I think that is a little foolish to expect. Here is the article that Mick wrote after the game: www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/2017/02/11/mooneys-performance-3-lifts-usd-over-sdsu/97739922/ Mick's article was the primary article. Matt's article was a "Sidebar from the SCSC." A sidebar is "a short article in a newspaper placed alongside the main display area, typically containing related information." I think Mick does a nice job covering USD athletics. He was down in Vermillion covering the USD women's game last Wednesday against Oral Roberts which I think shows good dedication to covering our sports teams.
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Post by sdyotefan on Feb 20, 2017 8:33:42 GMT -6
Mick's article was ok. The box score is wrong however listing SCSC capacity at 10,000 when it really is 6,000.
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Post by mraugustana on Feb 20, 2017 9:31:58 GMT -6
I'm sure this has been said before (maybe even in this thread), but one thing some USD fans need to keep in mind is that if the USD fanbase isn't clicking and reading the articles the Argus DOES write about the Coyotes, then USD fans are just as responsible--if not more responsible--for their lack of coverage.
According to the little Facebook icon that pops up in the sidebar of Argus Leader articles, Mick's article -- "Mooney's performance from 3 lifts USD over SDSU" -- has 1...yes one...Facebook share.
Meanwhile, the Zimmer article "Tellinghuisen has career day in losing effort" has 125 Facebook shares.
Not saying that's the be all, end all of article popularity...and sometimes metrics like that can get messed up or whatever...but if that actually IS accurate, then explain why the Argus (which most people are aware is struggling financially) should keep investing time and effort into covering sports that don't generate revenue for them? It's great to say, "They should just cover sports in the community because that's their job," but their job won't exist if they aren't getting clicks/article reads/subscriptions/etc. and, ultimately, money.
You can also say, "Well they put themselves in this position because if they'd been covering USD more from the beginning, I'd probably be reading more of their articles." That's fine, but that attitude isn't going to inspire them to adjust their coverage now. Which ultimately means that complaining about it is simply that--complaining about it.
Zimmer has said more than once that, when you break down the analytics, SDSU articles generate more revenue for the Argus than USD/Augie/USF/etc., so what else is a struggling newspaper supposed to do? They can either continue to invest in the types of coverage that earn them money to keep their jobs, or they can start trying to "be more fair," not see as much revenue, and eventually have nobody covering any teams because they won't have jobs anymore.
The newspaper industry isn't like the motor vehicle industry. The government isn't going to swoop in and bail out the newspapers as they start to die off. If USD fans want more Coyote articles, it's up to USD fans to force the Argus's hand and make it the kind of thing where it would be stupid for the Argus NOT to cover the Coyotes more aggressively. Right now, the only fanbase doing that seems to be the SDSU fan base, and it shows.
Trust me, I wish Augie were getting more coverage too. But if Augie generated enough revenue, they wouldn't have had to let the Augie/USF beat writer go.
It's often implied by USD fans that the Argus "likes" SDSU more than USD. To put it simply, how in the world does that benefit the Argus? If anything, it benefits them more to like both teams equally and, consequently, cover the crap out of both teams. If both fanbases are buying stacks of papers or sharing and clicking the article links hundreds of times, then that's just more revenue. But if only one team's fanbase is pulling the weight when it comes to article reads/shares/clicks/etc., I suppose I'd probably "like" that school more too if I ran the Argus. Mostly because it would be that fanbase keeping my business afloat.
Just a thought. Seems like this conversation comes around every few weeks with USD fans, but to me it seems it's really up to you guys to convince the Argus to cover the Coyotes more aggressively, not the other way around.
Meanwhile, I'm going to sit back and watch with jealousy as your beat-writer still covers you guys consistently on a weekly basis and we Augie fans hope for the rare night or two when Zimmer doesn't have SDSU events to cover and is willing to throw us a bone.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 20, 2017 10:58:39 GMT -6
Of course SDSU makes them more money. No one is going to argue that. What bothers me is that their coverage of SDSU is often pandering and defiant of reality, like they are afraid to ever shine a critical light and hurt the very fragile egos of the SDSU fans.
At least in my experience that is what I have found whenever someone brings up the Argus over here. I have not bothered with the Argus in a very long time. I get all the coverage that I seek from the P&D and Jay Elsen.
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Post by mraugustana on Feb 20, 2017 12:40:48 GMT -6
Of course SDSU makes them more money. No one is going to argue that. What bothers me is that their coverage of SDSU is often pandering and defiant of reality, like they are afraid to ever shine a critical light and hurt the very fragile egos of the SDSU fans. At least in my experience that is what I have found whenever someone brings up the Argus over here. I have not bothered with the Argus in a very long time. I get all the coverage that I seek from the P&D and Jay Elsen. This is an interesting counterpoint that, if it's been mentioned on here before, I must not have been playing close enough attention to. The funny thing to me is that, back when SDSU was in their 1-3-1 zone and struggling substantially, I noticed several SDSU fans complaining that Zimmer was playing cheerleader instead of addressing the reality of the situation (they sucked in that zone). My guess is that a large percentage of those fans were also whining that Zimmer was too unbiased and not "Terry V" enough early in his tenure on the SDSU beat. We can definitely both agree that the majority of the SDSU crowd (at least the guys and gals that post on various message boards) tends to be a fickle, sensitive bunch.
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Post by jackl on Feb 20, 2017 17:01:12 GMT -6
Of course SDSU makes them more money. No one is going to argue that. What bothers me is that their coverage of SDSU is often pandering and defiant of reality, like they are afraid to ever shine a critical light and hurt the very fragile egos of the SDSU fans. At least in my experience that is what I have found whenever someone brings up the Argus over here. I have not bothered with the Argus in a very long time. I get all the coverage that I seek from the P&D and Jay Elsen. This is an interesting counterpoint that, if it's been mentioned on here before, I must not have been playing close enough attention to. The funny thing to me is that, back when SDSU was in their 1-3-1 zone and struggling substantially, I noticed several SDSU fans complaining that Zimmer was playing cheerleader instead of addressing the reality of the situation (they sucked in that zone). My guess is that a large percentage of those fans were also whining that Zimmer was too unbiased and not "Terry V" enough early in his tenure on the SDSU beat. We can definitely both agree that the majority of the SDSU crowd (at least the guys and gals that post on various message boards) tends to be a fickle, sensitive bunch. There's at least 3 threads on here about the Argus. Some complaining about USD coverage,some complaining about the coverage SDSU gets. There's some here that are ok with the coverage. One yote poster thinks Mick hates USD, some like him. One yote poster claims he hasn't bothered with the Argus for "a very long time" but somehow knows thei coverage of the Jacks is often pandering and defiant of reality. After all of that, you've concluded that most of the SDSU message board fans are sensitive and fickle. Lol
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 20, 2017 17:26:48 GMT -6
I agree with the notion that it isn't necessarily the amount of coverage but the way that the coverage is slanted. I gave a good example on my analysis of the Mick article previewing the SDSU game why the slant is completely biased towards SDSU. There are specific examples out there how Mick slants a lot of his writing negatively towards USD and the Argus has done that for years. Just listen to the pod casts that Zimmer and Garry do especially when they preview the Summit Tourney. Garry being more experienced in USD then Zimmer is with SDSU always lets Zimmer carry the conversation but with his "supposed knowledge" being more then what Zimmer you would think he would kind of take the lead but he doesn't. How many times during the WNIT run did the Argus have to mention SDSU going to the tournament, and wouldn't USD rather go to the tourney then win the WNIT. They constantly find ways to diminish USD's accomplishments. Even at the press conferences the USD players had to answer questions about that.
If the Argus is going to continually slant coverage again USD then of course USD fans are not going to read and choose other avenues to get their information. If USD's interest level is so low then just reference the 7500 that showed up for the WNIT final and the 5200 that showed up for the SDSU game (and BTW 80-90 percent of those fans were USD fans and I was actually quite surprised how few SDSU fans were there considering that they are supposed to follow their team so much more intently then USD follows their's.
Coyote fans are out there is just takes more to motivate them to get active with their sports programs.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 20, 2017 17:30:35 GMT -6
This is an interesting counterpoint that, if it's been mentioned on here before, I must not have been playing close enough attention to. The funny thing to me is that, back when SDSU was in their 1-3-1 zone and struggling substantially, I noticed several SDSU fans complaining that Zimmer was playing cheerleader instead of addressing the reality of the situation (they sucked in that zone). My guess is that a large percentage of those fans were also whining that Zimmer was too unbiased and not "Terry V" enough early in his tenure on the SDSU beat. We can definitely both agree that the majority of the SDSU crowd (at least the guys and gals that post on various message boards) tends to be a fickle, sensitive bunch. There's at least 3 threads on here about the Argus. Some complaining about USD coverage,some complaining about the coverage SDSU gets. There's some here that are ok with the coverage. One yote poster thinks Mick hates USD, some like him. One yote poster claims he hasn't bothered with the Argus for "a very long time" but somehow knows thei coverage of the Jacks is often pandering and defiant of reality. After all of that, you've concluded that most of the SDSU message board fans are sensitive and fickle. Lol Way to read just what you want to hear. I say that I don't bother with the Argus but have an opinion based on the times when it is brought up on this message board. I'll just pick out what I want from your post and leave with your confession that SDSU message board fans are sensitive and fickle.
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Post by jackl on Feb 20, 2017 17:39:28 GMT -6
There's at least 3 threads on here about the Argus. Some complaining about USD coverage,some complaining about the coverage SDSU gets. There's some here that are ok with the coverage. One yote poster thinks Mick hates USD, some like him. One yote poster claims he hasn't bothered with the Argus for "a very long time" but somehow knows thei coverage of the Jacks is often pandering and defiant of reality. After all of that, you've concluded that most of the SDSU message board fans are sensitive and fickle. Lol Way to read just what you want to hear. I say that I don't bother with the Argus but have an opinion based on the times when it is brought up on this message board. I'll just pick out what I want from your post and leave with your confession that SDSU message board fans are sensitive and fickle. Damn. You just hate State, don't you? Actually I said he concluded that. Didn't confess anything. Try to keep up.
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