Linus
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Post by Linus on Oct 15, 2017 19:16:15 GMT -6
There have been many complaints on this board about how the Jacks have a beat writer that is always positive toward the team. While that may be true most of the time, he certainly wasn't after SDSU lost to UNI. Here are his questions in the press conference with Stig: John, what's wrong with your offense right now? It seems like it's not clicking how I would assume you would want to. Obviously special teams was a huge problem today. What did you sense the attitude was like at half time because obviously you were way behind but you had a chance to get back into the game. Is Taryn hurt at all, I mean he really struggled to make throws today. Do you think your defense played well enough to win? Going forward, does your message to the team change at all ..... ? You're 1 and 2 in the league, and those two losses have been tough ones - have you been surprised by how those games have gone - that you're where you're at right now? The final question was from some other reporter, but not exactly a kind question. The questions for the two players from Zimmer were also not the kindest. I'll let you listen to those yourself. I think the players handled the questions very well. Also, if you want to see negativity, read Zimmer's article on the Jacks from the Argus, and also look at his tweets from during the game. Here is a quote from the article: "Quarterback Taryn Christion had by far the worst game of his career, misfiring on throws long and short, while the read-option ground attack, either through bad reads or bad blocking, accomplished little." - Yikes!! Mick Garry wrote a very nice article for the Argus after the game on Saturday. He asks respectful questions during the press conference. And also, even though I am sure this has been posted before, the local Argus staff does not set the layout of the paper - it is done by regional employees. And coverage is based on clicks. On Matt Zimmer's last SDSU chat, someone asked whether Zimmer preferred that people read the physical paper or click through on online articles, and he said online articles, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe give Mick a follow on Twitter and click through to his articles and read them. Just a thought. Here are the links to the press conference. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipc5iNpZEJUwww.youtube.com/watch?v=45v2Gw8j5WY
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 15, 2017 19:30:32 GMT -6
When it comes to the questions being asked I want the "tough" questions asked whether they are considered respectable or not. As far as clicking on Mick's Twitter I am not sure if I want to follow the path that considered Illinois State above Western Illinois and Youngstown last week in the MVFC power rankings. That is just plain ignorance.
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Post by mraugustana on Oct 15, 2017 21:52:26 GMT -6
There have been many complaints on this board about how the Jacks have a beat writer that is always positive toward the team. While that may be true most of the time, he certainly wasn't after SDSU lost to UNI. Here are his questions in the press conference with Stig: John, what's wrong with your offense right now? It seems like it's not clicking how I would assume you would want to. Obviously special teams was a huge problem today. What did you sense the attitude was like at half time because obviously you were way behind but you had a chance to get back into the game. Is Taryn hurt at all, I mean he really struggled to make throws today. Do you think your defense played well enough to win? Going forward, does your message to the team change at all ..... ? You're 1 and 2 in the league, and those two losses have been tough ones - have you been surprised by how those games have gone - that you're where you're at right now? The final question was from some other reporter, but not exactly a kind question. The questions for the two players from Zimmer were also not the kindest. I'll let you listen to those yourself. I think the players handled the questions very well. Also, if you want to see negativity, read Zimmer's article on the Jacks from the Argus, and also look at his tweets from during the game. Here is a quote from the article: "Quarterback Taryn Christion had by far the worst game of his career, misfiring on throws long and short, while the read-option ground attack, either through bad reads or bad blocking, accomplished little." - Yikes!! Mick Garry wrote a very nice article for the Argus after the game on Saturday. He asks respectful questions during the press conference. And also, even though I am sure this has been posted before, the local Argus staff does not set the layout of the paper - it is done by regional employees. And coverage is based on clicks. On Matt Zimmer's last SDSU chat, someone asked whether Zimmer preferred that people read the physical paper or click through on online articles, and he said online articles, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe give Mick a follow on Twitter and click through to his articles and read them. Just a thought. Here are the links to the press conference. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipc5iNpZEJUwww.youtube.com/watch?v=45v2Gw8j5WYThis is one of the most logical posts I've seen on this subject in a long time.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 16, 2017 7:59:49 GMT -6
I'm with mraugustana that is a bit enjoyable to see it blasted all over the paper vs. hidden somewhere. But the conversation I had with a casual fan earlier today was that during the transition years we were led to believe the lesser coverage was because SDSU was winning, and if the tables were turned USD would dominate headlines. That's what makes this sports page (and the guy's tweet) funny and discouraging at the same time. The reality is that they measure readership. One team draws more clicks and has more addresses than the other. It is analytics based more than anything. The people running the Argus are not SDSU grads. They are playing to the numbers and the readers.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 16, 2017 10:37:36 GMT -6
I'm with mraugustana that is a bit enjoyable to see it blasted all over the paper vs. hidden somewhere. But the conversation I had with a casual fan earlier today was that during the transition years we were led to believe the lesser coverage was because SDSU was winning, and if the tables were turned USD would dominate headlines. That's what makes this sports page (and the guy's tweet) funny and discouraging at the same time. The reality is that they measure readership. One team draws more clicks and has more addresses than the other. It is analytics based more than anything. The people running the Argus are not SDSU grads. They are playing to the numbers and the readers. Completely agree. USD doesn't get a lot of click-bait type of articles (or the sheer volume), which creates a chicken-and-egg discussion (exhibit A would be the weekly-ish chats). But it doesn't makes the guy's photo/tweet less funny.
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Post by canislatrans on Oct 16, 2017 10:58:21 GMT -6
The reality is that they measure readership. One team draws more clicks and has more addresses than the other. It is analytics based more than anything. The people running the Argus are not SDSU grads. They are playing to the numbers and the readers. Completely agree. USD doesn't get a lot of click-bait type of articles (or the sheer volume), which creates a chicken-and-egg discussion (exhibit A would be the weekly-ish chats). But it doesn't makes the guy's photo/tweet less funny. The photo/tweet was great. From a marketing point of view, I get the analytics, but also from a marketing point of view you have got to have some analytics on the potential of increased readership from a rising athletic program in your footprint. Argus should be 1)keeping the State fans happy and 2) finding ways to capture the USD fan. Both, not an either/or. Money talks. That being said, I read, click Mick's articles because I enjoy his work. Hopefully, enough others will do the same, so we can put the Jacks FB coverage in with the hog futures, or something.
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Post by yote14 on Oct 16, 2017 13:24:46 GMT -6
How many "clicks" did the "SOFTBALL: O'Gorman seniors on recruiting, state-sanctioning" piece they wrote get?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 16, 2017 15:47:02 GMT -6
How many "clicks" did the "SOFTBALL: O'Gorman seniors on recruiting, state-sanctioning" piece they wrote get? Post of the day and that is exactly the point.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 17, 2017 9:25:16 GMT -6
How many "clicks" did the "SOFTBALL: O'Gorman seniors on recruiting, state-sanctioning" piece they wrote get? I have generally agreed with the points that Eddie has made on this subject, but I have to hand it to you. This is an excellent point. Should the more "popular" high schools with more supporters get preferred coverage in the local news? They shouldn't and they don't. Should less popular high school sports, like women's tennis, not get coverage, because of the small amount of "clicks" they get? They shouldn't and they don't, although you are probably more likely to see a HS football headline. Should NCAA sports that are less popular, like SDSU Volleyball, get less or no coverage? I see plenty of articles on the Jack's volleyball team, despite a failure of the Jacks fans to go to their games. The Argus is under no Title IX restrictions, like the University itself is. I'm not complaining about USD coverage. I think our fans need to step it up. This is a fair comparison, though. There are certain local sports that the local media feel they have an obligation to give equal coverage to, regardless of "clicks". Treating NCAA sports differently seems a little bit of a double standard IMO. Interesting discussion.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 17, 2017 9:57:03 GMT -6
How many "clicks" did the "SOFTBALL: O'Gorman seniors on recruiting, state-sanctioning" piece they wrote get? I can't even find what you are talking about. Was it in the physical paper or a headline on the website for 10 minutes that faded because nobody clicked on it? You are making two different arguments here. There is a question of necessity to report on something - actual coverage, which is something we nearly always get, and then promotion, volume and "real estate" on the front page of the sports. These are different discussions. ***Edit*** Found it. That headline you are referring to is a video. Not even an article. Still that is content that is being generated. What does that have to do with prominence or real estate on the front page of the sports section? I also have to chuckle about somebody that lives in the Sioux City/Yankton/Vermillion area complaining about a Sioux Falls high school getting news coverage for winning a state championship in the Argus Leader. I'd say a little coverage might be warranted.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Oct 17, 2017 9:58:31 GMT -6
AL can do whatever they want, it's their paper. I will find the coverage I want regardless.
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