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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 23, 2016 9:01:35 GMT -6
Wait, what? As far as tailgating goes there is a free lot immediately to the north of the Dome. I don't understand, or buy, the argument that people cannot afford to tailgate anymore because they are being "priced out". Second, a HP membership is like $100. They could either charge more for tickets or require an HP membership for premium seats. HP memberships are tax deductible and can be used across both football and basketball. I really don't see issues being raised here for how season tickets are being handled. As for individual game tickets, you remember all those surveys they sent out over the past year? They probably have a pretty good idea what to expect for season ticket demand and how to structure the ticket policy. I'd say it's a safe bet that those season tickets will get sold, including HP memberships.
I joined the Howling Pack years ago when we joined the MVFC in anticipation of eventual sellouts and wanting to lock my seats in and build up priority points. I guess building up my points has paid off if I want to buy basketball tickets. Unfortunately, my winter schedule prevents me from attending many basketball games. Heck, it's getting to the point where I'm missing at least one home football game a season. I could just go the single game route, it would be cheaper, but I continue to buy the season ticket packages and join the HP because I want to support the University.
If you think USD has an expensive policy you should talk to my brother, an Iowa Football season ticket holder, or some of my friends who have season tickets for Nebraska Football. Coyote Athletics still remains a very cheap ticket to high quality athletics. Fans get a lot of value out of the experience.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 23, 2016 9:27:56 GMT -6
If there is anything pricing people out here it's the $300 price tag for each chair back, not the $100 donation (total, not per seat, and works for football too) required to buy the seat.
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Post by yoteforever on Aug 23, 2016 9:43:13 GMT -6
If there is anything pricing people out here it's the $300 price tag for each chair back, not the $100 donation (total, not per seat, and works for football too) required to buy the seat. I'm honestly not arguing with you but do you really feel that $300 is out of line? You're getting men's and women's tickets. If they each play 16 home games , and rarely are there double headers, that's 32 games. That's less than $10'game. Do you feel that's out of line?
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Post by thumper76 on Aug 23, 2016 10:12:36 GMT -6
Wait, what? As far as tailgating goes there is a free lot immediately to the north of the Dome. I don't understand, or buy, the argument that people cannot afford to tailgate anymore because they are being "priced out". Second, a HP membership is like $100. They could either charge more for tickets or require an HP membership for premium seats. HP memberships are tax deductible and can be used across both football and basketball. I really don't see issues being raised here for how season tickets are being handled. As for individual game tickets, you remember all those surveys they sent out over the past year? They probably have a pretty good idea what to expect for season ticket demand and how to structure the ticket policy. I'd say it's a safe bet that those season tickets will get sold, including HP memberships. I joined the Howling Pack years ago when we joined the MVFC in anticipation of eventual sellouts and wanting to lock my seats in and build up priority points. I guess building up my points has paid off if I want to buy basketball tickets. Unfortunately, my winter schedule prevents me from attending many basketball games. Heck, it's getting to the point where I'm missing at least one home football game a season. I could just go the single game route, it would be cheaper, but I continue to buy the season ticket packages and join the HP because I want to support the University. If you think USD has an expensive policy you should talk to my brother, an Iowa Football season ticket holder, or some of my friends who have season tickets for Nebraska Football. Coyote Athletics still remains a very cheap ticket to high quality athletics. Fans get a lot of value out of the experience. The same complaint is happening on sdsufans with the new prices for the DJD. People also need to remember that both places (your new court and our new stadium) are going to provide a vastly better Gameday experience when compared to the old places, and that makes it worth more. You want better things you have to pay for them. Maybe it does price some people out. But it's also going to draw a lot more people. That's an unfortunate reality of bigger and better things. I'm sure both schools realize this and have done what they could to balance it out.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 23, 2016 10:13:29 GMT -6
If there is anything pricing people out here it's the $300 price tag for each chair back, not the $100 donation (total, not per seat, and works for football too) required to buy the seat. I'm honestly not arguing with you but do you really feel that $300 is out of line? You're getting men's and women's tickets. If they each play 16 home games , and rarely are there double headers, that's 32 games. That's less than $10'game. Do you feel that's out of line? Coupled with the fact that it's a fantastic new facility, no I don't find that to be out of line. I'm also only buying two seats. Families of 4+ that bought tickets previously might not be able to justify the increase, those are the people I could see being priced out here.
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Post by yote14 on Aug 23, 2016 10:52:02 GMT -6
But we are not Iowa.
Could they tailgate for free? Yes, but they looked at it the same way coyotefan stated. The university does not care about any fan who does not contribute money. I tailgate in the west lot with my group. Its really fun. But you are on an island miles from the dome and where the majority of the "GAME DAY" events are going on. SD also has a significantly smaller population than Iowa to draw fans from on top of who can even afford them.
I'm not trying to start an argument. But if someone makes a valid point on this board as coyotefan did and everyone on the board wants to rip on him because of their hatred for him its unfair and can potentially stop a legit problem from being solved.
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Post by oldhare on Aug 23, 2016 12:39:50 GMT -6
The new facilities are a result of an upgrade that much fundraising was done. During this time, cost of attendance has been born. It seems likely the plans will demand revenue that is beyond many people's means to support. That is OK. You still are able to buy single game tickets and support the team. The SDSU donation for football tickets went from $50 & $100 to $50-$250 for regular seats. That does not transfer to basketball. The "good" basketball seats were reallocated based on points which resulted in many long tenured fans being moved with new money arriving. Many seats were given to corporate givers which will help fund the cost of attendance(I assume). It is the direction DI is headed as the funding is needed to fuel the next level. Meanwhile, I can assure you that I will spot the seats that are normally vacant and enjoy the game from there. It was also mentioned that the new arena in Vermillion will not have any bad seats so the individual game tickets should not be a big penalty for those not capable of supporting the HP. As the facilities are completed, the sobering fact is the continued need for revenue to support the facility and teams which comes with a price tag.
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Post by yoteforever on Aug 23, 2016 15:04:52 GMT -6
I owe an apology for my previous post. I did assume that CF was being negative again and didn't think it through thoroughly.
I do,know the administrators pretty well no I can confidently say their intentions are not to price fans out of the market. I think it's going to be a struggle to find balance between those that do financially support the university on an annual basis versus the families that can't afford to,do it right now. That's a tough thing to deal with. That being said, I also struggle with a comment that someone can lay out $1000 for 4 season tickets, but that $100 donation to HP makes it so you can't do it. Maybe the answer is to buy 2 season tickets for $500 and donate $100 to the HP, and then buy 2 tickets for the games all four went to go to. Not perfect, just a thought.
I have always felt that any University could also run a clearing account where season ticket holders that couldn't attend could then resell those tickets through the Coyote ticket office for a fee. That way the season ticket holder gets resume rated for unused seats, and the buyers get good tickets to watch a team they don't have season tickets for. I think an annual donation (investment) of $100 to get great seats is very cheap. I know for a fact that ticket holders in basketball at Big 12 venues pay huge money to get those seats. And although Iowa has more population, it also has 4 D1 schools playing basketball. It is realistic to expect crowds approaching sell outs on weekends, and maybe 2000 or more for weekday games.
Regarding the tailgating discussion, what do you suggest could be done to fix it? Personally speaking, anyone on here can certainly tailgate at my spot anytime they want. The more the merrier for my money.
I just don't think you're ever going to get away from the fact that people that donate to build these facilities and help offset the deficits of running a department, are entitled to priority seating and GameDay privileges, will ever go away. There was a time in my life where writing a check for HP was difficult as well. But I did it on a regular basis, and we survived.
My goal is to increase participation. Let's hear ideas on how to fix it as opposed to complaining about it. Again, I apologize for the post that did sound condescending.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 23, 2016 23:54:43 GMT -6
Wait, what? As far as tailgating goes there is a free lot immediately to the north of the Dome. I don't understand, or buy, the argument that people cannot afford to tailgate anymore because they are being "priced out". Second, a HP membership is like $100. They could either charge more for tickets or require an HP membership for premium seats. HP memberships are tax deductible and can be used across both football and basketball. I really don't see issues being raised here for how season tickets are being handled. As for individual game tickets, you remember all those surveys they sent out over the past year? They probably have a pretty good idea what to expect for season ticket demand and how to structure the ticket policy. I'd say it's a safe bet that those season tickets will get sold, including HP memberships. I joined the Howling Pack years ago when we joined the MVFC in anticipation of eventual sellouts and wanting to lock my seats in and build up priority points. I guess building up my points has paid off if I want to buy basketball tickets. Unfortunately, my winter schedule prevents me from attending many basketball games. Heck, it's getting to the point where I'm missing at least one home football game a season. I could just go the single game route, it would be cheaper, but I continue to buy the season ticket packages and join the HP because I want to support the University. If you think USD has an expensive policy you should talk to my brother, an Iowa Football season ticket holder, or some of my friends who have season tickets for Nebraska Football. Coyote Athletics still remains a very cheap ticket to high quality athletics. Fans get a lot of value out of the experience. What Iowa does and what USD does are two different things all together and are a different stratosphere in fan interest. Regardless of reported attendance I would imagine USD averages about 6-7K per game for football. Iowa probably draws 10 times that. Because Iowa does something doesn't necessarily mean that USD should do the same.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 24, 2016 0:20:17 GMT -6
If there is anything pricing people out here it's the $300 price tag for each chair back, not the $100 donation (total, not per seat, and works for football too) required to buy the seat. I'm honestly not arguing with you but do you really feel that $300 is out of line? You're getting men's and women's tickets. If they each play 16 home games , and rarely are there double headers, that's 32 games. That's less than $10'game. Do you feel that's out of line? Yote forever. I agree with you on the basketball season tickets. If you are a fan that lives close enough to go to 80% or more of the games $300 is a good value for men's and women's basketball. I just don't like having to pay more than the price of a ticket when as a fan if they want to but season tickets they are getting a worse deal then buying single tickets. Lets use Mr. USD Yankton Fan (lets call him that for arguments sake) as an example. Mr. USD Yankton fan is a fan of USD athletics and has moderate interest in the program but is on a modest income. He and his wife really want to come to games but wants to get a good deal to make the commitment to come to the new arena for some games. He looks into season tickets and discovers that he has to pay an increased price to make the commitment to season tickets. If he find what he considers a good deal maybe Mr. USD Yankton fan commits to those season tickets for 2. When checking the options for season tickets he doesn't see that he is able to get a good seat so he holds off for now still planning to go to most games. That fan doesn't see an incentive for him to buy season ticket especially since the reasonably priced seats are behind the basket. Mr. USD Yankton fan knows that the attendance for basketball is average and he thinks with the many good seats for basketball that he will just wait and pay for tickets on a game by game basis. Winter comes along and Mr. USD Yankton Fan loses his overtime at work so has to cut back on expenses and only ends up going to 8 total games. He could have gone to more but it ends up a bad winter and the roads cost him 4 games that he otherwise would have gone to. The Men's team doesn't get out of their funk from last year and struggle a bit lingering towards the bottom of the standings. He decides to skip the last 3 home games because the team has just come off a road loss to the Jacks and Bison. So USD Yankton fan was going to commit to those tickets but decided not to buy those season tickets instead. He was going to pay $600 to USD for those tickets but in the end only ends up spending $200. USD did not expand their fan base and ended up losing money on that potential season ticket holder based on the season ticket policy. There could easily be 500 fans in that same boat that want to make a larger commitment to see basketball that end up not making the commitment and instead end up spending far less money on tickets to games than they otherwise would have. Spin it anyway you want but season tickets are supposed to be the good deal, the value that fans look into taking advantage of. The incentive is simply not there. USD should look to book any season ticket holder that they can get. Over pricing those potential great fans is missing out on an opportunity.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 24, 2016 14:15:04 GMT -6
Wait, what? As far as tailgating goes there is a free lot immediately to the north of the Dome. I don't understand, or buy, the argument that people cannot afford to tailgate anymore because they are being "priced out". Second, a HP membership is like $100. They could either charge more for tickets or require an HP membership for premium seats. HP memberships are tax deductible and can be used across both football and basketball. I really don't see issues being raised here for how season tickets are being handled. As for individual game tickets, you remember all those surveys they sent out over the past year? They probably have a pretty good idea what to expect for season ticket demand and how to structure the ticket policy. I'd say it's a safe bet that those season tickets will get sold, including HP memberships. I joined the Howling Pack years ago when we joined the MVFC in anticipation of eventual sellouts and wanting to lock my seats in and build up priority points. I guess building up my points has paid off if I want to buy basketball tickets. Unfortunately, my winter schedule prevents me from attending many basketball games. Heck, it's getting to the point where I'm missing at least one home football game a season. I could just go the single game route, it would be cheaper, but I continue to buy the season ticket packages and join the HP because I want to support the University. If you think USD has an expensive policy you should talk to my brother, an Iowa Football season ticket holder, or some of my friends who have season tickets for Nebraska Football. Coyote Athletics still remains a very cheap ticket to high quality athletics. Fans get a lot of value out of the experience. What Iowa does and what USD does are two different things all together and are a different stratosphere in fan interest. Regardless of reported attendance I would imagine USD averages about 6-7K per game for football. Iowa probably draws 10 times that. Because Iowa does something doesn't necessarily mean that USD should do the same. Thing is, USD does do something different. It is FARRRR cheaper to attend a USD game. So yeah, it is relative to our size versus P5 schools.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 24, 2016 14:18:21 GMT -6
I'm honestly not arguing with you but do you really feel that $300 is out of line? You're getting men's and women's tickets. If they each play 16 home games , and rarely are there double headers, that's 32 games. That's less than $10'game. Do you feel that's out of line? Yote forever. I agree with you on the basketball season tickets. If you are a fan that lives close enough to go to 80% or more of the games $300 is a good value for men's and women's basketball. I just don't like having to pay more than the price of a ticket when as a fan if they want to but season tickets they are getting a worse deal then buying single tickets. Lets use Mr. USD Yankton Fan (lets call him that for arguments sake) as an example. Mr. USD Yankton fan is a fan of USD athletics and has moderate interest in the program but is on a modest income. He and his wife really want to come to games but wants to get a good deal to make the commitment to come to the new arena for some games. He looks into season tickets and discovers that he has to pay an increased price to make the commitment to season tickets. If he find what he considers a good deal maybe Mr. USD Yankton fan commits to those season tickets for 2. When checking the options for season tickets he doesn't see that he is able to get a good seat so he holds off for now still planning to go to most games. That fan doesn't see an incentive for him to buy season ticket especially since the reasonably priced seats are behind the basket. Mr. USD Yankton fan knows that the attendance for basketball is average and he thinks with the many good seats for basketball that he will just wait and pay for tickets on a game by game basis. Winter comes along and Mr. USD Yankton Fan loses his overtime at work so has to cut back on expenses and only ends up going to 8 total games. He could have gone to more but it ends up a bad winter and the roads cost him 4 games that he otherwise would have gone to. The Men's team doesn't get out of their funk from last year and struggle a bit lingering towards the bottom of the standings. He decides to skip the last 3 home games because the team has just come off a road loss to the Jacks and Bison. So USD Yankton fan was going to commit to those tickets but decided not to buy those season tickets instead. He was going to pay $600 to USD for those tickets but in the end only ends up spending $200. USD did not expand their fan base and ended up losing money on that potential season ticket holder based on the season ticket policy. There could easily be 500 fans in that same boat that want to make a larger commitment to see basketball that end up not making the commitment and instead end up spending far less money on tickets to games than they otherwise would have. Spin it anyway you want but season tickets are supposed to be the good deal, the value that fans look into taking advantage of. The incentive is simply not there. USD should look to book any season ticket holder that they can get. Over pricing those potential great fans is missing out on an opportunity. So you just described yourself because that is exactly what your thought process has been and has played out on these boards for years.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 25, 2016 19:07:28 GMT -6
For anyone who is interested in season tickets in the SCSC but hasn't gotten the news: www.goyotes.com/sports/2015/3/9/tickets-bb.aspxSubmit your $100 per seat deposit and any Howling Pack donations by September 12 to be included in the initial seat selection process. If you fail to make a deposit by September 12 you will fall behind everyone who did and have to wait until mid/late October to know where your seats will be.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 25, 2016 20:15:07 GMT -6
For anyone who is interested in season tickets in the SCSC but hasn't gotten the news: www.goyotes.com/sports/2015/3/9/tickets-bb.aspxSubmit your $100 per seat deposit and any Howling Pack donations by September 12 to be included in the initial seat selection process. If you fail to make a deposit by September 12 you will fall behind everyone who did and have to wait until mid/late October to know where your seats will be. I wonder if that deposit will be applied to the price of the season ticket of if that amount is on top of the price of the ticket package plus the Howling Pack donation.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 25, 2016 20:42:57 GMT -6
For anyone who is interested in season tickets in the SCSC but hasn't gotten the news: www.goyotes.com/sports/2015/3/9/tickets-bb.aspxSubmit your $100 per seat deposit and any Howling Pack donations by September 12 to be included in the initial seat selection process. If you fail to make a deposit by September 12 you will fall behind everyone who did and have to wait until mid/late October to know where your seats will be. I wonder if that deposit will be applied to the price of the season ticket of if that amount is on top of the price of the ticket package plus the Howling Pack donation. Deposit goes towards season ticket purchase. If one is supporting the howling pack they already would have made an initial donation for their football season tickets, but to gain higher priority basketball seats you can up your pledge through September 12, not that your inquiry was serious.
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