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Post by yoteforever on Aug 27, 2016 16:28:32 GMT -6
I'm honestly not arguing with you but do you really feel that $300 is out of line? You're getting men's and women's tickets. If they each play 16 home games , and rarely are there double headers, that's 32 games. That's less than $10'game. Do you feel that's out of line? Yote forever. I agree with you on the basketball season tickets. If you are a fan that lives close enough to go to 80% or more of the games $300 is a good value for men's and women's basketball. I just don't like having to pay more than the price of a ticket when as a fan if they want to but season tickets they are getting a worse deal then buying single tickets. Lets use Mr. USD Yankton Fan (lets call him that for arguments sake) as an example. Mr. USD Yankton fan is a fan of USD athletics and has moderate interest in the program but is on a modest income. He and his wife really want to come to games but wants to get a good deal to make the commitment to come to the new arena for some games. He looks into season tickets and discovers that he has to pay an increased price to make the commitment to season tickets. If he find what he considers a good deal maybe Mr. USD Yankton fan commits to those season tickets for 2. When checking the options for season tickets he doesn't see that he is able to get a good seat so he holds off for now still planning to go to most games. That fan doesn't see an incentive for him to buy season ticket especially since the reasonably priced seats are behind the basket. Mr. USD Yankton fan knows that the attendance for basketball is average and he thinks with the many good seats for basketball that he will just wait and pay for tickets on a game by game basis. Winter comes along and Mr. USD Yankton Fan loses his overtime at work so has to cut back on expenses and only ends up going to 8 total games. He could have gone to more but it ends up a bad winter and the roads cost him 4 games that he otherwise would have gone to. The Men's team doesn't get out of their funk from last year and struggle a bit lingering towards the bottom of the standings. He decides to skip the last 3 home games because the team has just come off a road loss to the Jacks and Bison. So USD Yankton fan was going to commit to those tickets but decided not to buy those season tickets instead. He was going to pay $600 to USD for those tickets but in the end only ends up spending $200. USD did not expand their fan base and ended up losing money on that potential season ticket holder based on the season ticket policy. There could easily be 500 fans in that same boat that want to make a larger commitment to see basketball that end up not making the commitment and instead end up spending far less money on tickets to games than they otherwise would have. Spin it anyway you want but season tickets are supposed to be the good deal, the value that fans look into taking advantage of. The incentive is simply not there. USD should look to book any season ticket holder that they can get. Over pricing those potential great fans is missing out on an opportunity. CF, I'm not sure I understand your analogy. Are you saying that by not buying season tickets and instead buying individual game tickets he saved money? If so, that's always going to be the case. In looking at individual ticket prices vs season ticket prices, it's cheaper to buy season if you're going to all of the games. The problem with that argument is that you won't always get the same seats, and for big games, it's likely you won't get tickets at all. In reviewing the packet I got in the mail, you can buy tickets in the corner for $300 and not have to make the $100 Howling Pack donation. Compare it to last years $250 ticket price, and considering we are in a brand new venue, it seems like a bargain to me. I have Coyote tickets and also Iowa State tickets, and I'll tell you unequivocally that USD is a bargain. I suggest you buy individual tickets till you're comfortable buying season tickets, but don't complain if you can't get in to watch the Yotes play SDSU or NDSU. I think the ticket prices are fair. In all fairness to your previous posts, if we aren't contending for a title, it's not likely you'll show up. I'm not saying that malitously, but rather based on what you've said in the past.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 27, 2016 18:13:02 GMT -6
CF is basically a fickle bandwagon fan. The administration knows what they are doing and are smart not to cater to this type of fan. This type of fan isn't staying away because good seats are too expensive. I do think he has a point when he says having all seats between the baselines as preferred seating is too much, but I do have a feeling his tune would not change unless the university entirely removed the notion of preferred seating.
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Post by usdguy99 on Aug 28, 2016 14:23:45 GMT -6
The one thing I really hope that the administration considers for some of the better seats is butts in the seats. I know there are going to be people that get season tickets so they can assure themselves tickets for 2 or 3 games/year, but I hope the administration considers those that are at 95% of the games when it comes to allocating seating.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 30, 2016 0:15:44 GMT -6
CF is basically a fickle bandwagon fan. The administration knows what they are doing and are smart not to cater to this type of fan. This type of fan isn't staying away because good seats are too expensive. I do think he has a point when he says having all seats between the baselines as preferred seating is too much, but I do have a feeling his tune would not change unless the university entirely removed the notion of preferred seating. So I guess USD shouldn't make an effort to try to get those 5,000 fickle bandwagon fans to come back to watch basketball that were at the WNIT final game. Typically there are maybe 2,000 die hard fans at absolute tops, probably more like 1,000 or below. There is potential with the fans base so USD can either try to cash in on the potential or just ignore those fans all together and just cater to about 300 of them or so. I would rather have 5,000 fans giving a little to the program than having only 500 give a lot.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 30, 2016 6:59:05 GMT -6
That type of fan shows up only if USD contends for a title. If the team is winning only then will that fan show up. No amount of change to the ticket selling strategy will otherwise capture that fan so it makes no sense to cater to them.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Aug 30, 2016 9:28:22 GMT -6
It costs more to cater to the fickle fans than you can recoup. Catering to the die hards is FAR more lucrative. If we want to build a winner, we need the resources to do so. Ticket sales don't pay for squat. The only way to do it is through donars.
Reality. Again, welcome to D-1.
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Post by oldhare on Aug 30, 2016 13:07:39 GMT -6
CF is basically a fickle bandwagon fan. The administration knows what they are doing and are smart not to cater to this type of fan. This type of fan isn't staying away because good seats are too expensive. I do think he has a point when he says having all seats between the baselines as preferred seating is too much, but I do have a feeling his tune would not change unless the university entirely removed the notion of preferred seating. So I guess USD shouldn't make an effort to try to get those 5,000 fickle bandwagon fans to come back to watch basketball that were at the WNIT final game. Typically there are maybe 2,000 die hard fans at absolute tops, probably more like 1,000 or below. There is potential with the fans base so USD can either try to cash in on the potential or just ignore those fans all together and just cater to about 300 of them or so. I would rather have 5,000 fans giving a little to the program than having only 500 give a lot. The extra fans that attended the NIT games did not have access to the premium seating and they still made it to the game. the new venue is a more inviting arena for viewing. There should be no question that they could attend games without a donation, save money on ticket price, and have a better line of vision. Why would a fickle fan even consider investing in the program when the easy way is there without a commitment? Buy the single game ticket and have a great seat.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 30, 2016 23:53:23 GMT -6
That type of fan shows up only if USD contends for a title. If the team is winning only then will that fan show up. No amount of change to the ticket selling strategy will otherwise capture that fan so it makes no sense to cater to them. Since this post is pretty much aimed at me tell me what amount of winning or contending for conference titles has the football program done anytime recently. Did that stop me from making the commitment to going to every game. The program at best has been mediocre. I just need to see a little hope and to see that USD is serious about trying to put together a competitive program. I simply did not see that commitment over the last 4 years. That is why my attendance dwindled. If the program is not serious about winning than why should I be serious about coming. People may disagree with that all day long but I see a difference between this year and last. A difference that gets my attention.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 31, 2016 0:07:39 GMT -6
What ever happened to just being a fan. What is wrong with simply buying a ticket and attending a game. It's a win, win. USD gets the support the fan gets a good product to watch. No one owes anything more than that either way. Why does there have to be an extra cost associated with just simply wanting to go to games. USD has gotten plenty of money from their alumni over the years. Do people that go to amateur games of any kind of a NFL game pay an extra fee to go to a game. Do they donate to the team that is already drowning in money. A college owes it's graduates just as much as a graduate owes their college. The college got paid, the student got an education. Both got what they wanted. If the college expects donations isn't it fair to the student to expect a little donation coming their way from their college. When I buy a car should I make a commitment to a multi year donation pledge to Honda? Why is it really any different.
The way people talk non Howling Pack members should be stringed up and beaten with a stick if they don't donate. Maybe at the first home basketball game the should make an announcement over the PA. All non Howling Pack members please stand up. Now those that are members please start booing at those that are not members that are standing.
It gets ridiculous how some on this board think the Howling Pack is some exclusive club that all non members aren't true fans or whatever they want to call them. I have no problem with the Howling Pack as something that is voluntary but when it gets shoved in my face I don't take well to it and become less willing to donate because of it.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 31, 2016 6:42:21 GMT -6
You bought season tickets one time and you want everyone to bow down to your awesome fandom. You'll be talking about how you regret buying the tickets by season's end as the team finishes with a similar record as it did last year.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 31, 2016 12:17:39 GMT -6
Seriously CF, you have never heard of PSL's (Personal Seat Licenses) in pro sports? Yes, in order to get prime seats you are required to buy a PSL that simply gives you the right to buy season tickets to many professional sporting events. Donor boxes? PSL's? Parking fees? Concessions? TV Contracts? All revenue sources for pro sports franchises.
What you describe is high school sports, buy a ticket, watch a game. Once you start getting into D1 athletics and beyond things start getting much, much more complicated.
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Post by chuck on Aug 31, 2016 15:48:59 GMT -6
Seriously CF, you have never heard of PSL's (Personal Seat Licenses) in pro sports? Yes, in order to get prime seats you are required to buy a PSL that simply gives you the right to buy season tickets to many professional sporting events. Donor boxes? PSL's? Parking fees? Concessions? TV Contracts? All revenue sources for pro sports franchises. What you describe is high school sports, buy a ticket, watch a game. Once you start getting into D1 athletics and beyond things start getting much, much more complicated. For comparison's sake, Iowa State Women's basketball season tickets last year were as low as $99--no donation required. oss.ticketmaster.com/aps/isu/EN/buy/details/16WBSUSD should be below that--we need to up the atmosphere to get people to keep coming back. Realistically, a new arena might draw a casual fan in once--after they've seen it, they've seen it. They'll come back if the atmosphere is worth their time and money...and cost is part of this. Anecdotally I have talked to a number of people who were drawn in by last year's NIT run comment about the cost of tickets this year. They are interested in season tickets but not buying due to cost. Seems to me if women's season tickets were something like $75 (compared to ISU's $99) they would sell like hot cakes.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Aug 31, 2016 21:19:24 GMT -6
Seriously CF, you have never heard of PSL's (Personal Seat Licenses) in pro sports? Yes, in order to get prime seats you are required to buy a PSL that simply gives you the right to buy season tickets to many professional sporting events. Donor boxes? PSL's? Parking fees? Concessions? TV Contracts? All revenue sources for pro sports franchises. What you describe is high school sports, buy a ticket, watch a game. Once you start getting into D1 athletics and beyond things start getting much, much more complicated. For comparison's sake, Iowa State Women's basketball season tickets last year were as low as $99--no donation required. oss.ticketmaster.com/aps/isu/EN/buy/details/16WBSUSD should be below that--we need to up the atmosphere to get people to keep coming back. Realistically, a new arena might draw a casual fan in once--after they've seen it, they've seen it. They'll come back if the atmosphere is worth their time and money...and cost is part of this. Anecdotally I have talked to a number of people who were drawn in by last year's NIT run comment about the cost of tickets this year. They are interested in season tickets but not buying due to cost. Seems to me if women's season tickets were something like $75 (compared to ISU's $99) they would sell like hot cakes. 1.) Look at where those $99 seats are though... any seat in the SCSC is at the $160 level
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 31, 2016 21:31:20 GMT -6
You bought season tickets one time and you want everyone to bow down to your awesome fandom. You'll be talking about how you regret buying the tickets by season's end as the team finishes with a similar record as it did last year. well you did basically say that I didn't show interest unless the team was winning, and I basically proved you wrong. It has nothing to do with awesome fandom or not awesome fandom. Just proving that you are wrong about me again.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 1, 2016 6:19:59 GMT -6
You bought season tickets one time and you want everyone to bow down to your awesome fandom. You'll be talking about how you regret buying the tickets by season's end as the team finishes with a similar record as it did last year. well you did basically say that I didn't show interest unless the team was winning, and I basically proved you wrong. It has nothing to do with awesome fandom or not awesome fandom. Just proving that you are wrong about me again. History suggests you will be questioning the Nielson hire by year's end and won't renew those tickets because the team is in all reality still at least a couple years away from being contenders.
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