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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 19, 2016 22:37:41 GMT -6
I know, I know people hate it when I bring up Joe Glenn but think about this. Remember when he took over and people thought it would take just a few more years and a few more birthdays. When he struggled out of the gate people said give it time. Well he had 4 years which should have been enough time to stock the cupboards with talent. So shouldn't that talent that we were told would come on board be here ready to take over now. If Glenn left the program in good shape we should have the studs now to compete. Some say we do and some say we don't. Many say that we still need to get more talented and get more players in. I definitely see that on the defensive side of the ball. Why aren't these players already here. What happened to all those good recruiting classes that were supposed to be brought in. Nielson obviously deserves a heck of a lot more time than 3 games but so far the teams performance is no better than what we have seen the last 4 years plus. In other words the Nielson era is not off to a good start just like what happened with the Glenn era. There are promising things that we have seen, mainly Steveler. Where we have taken a big step forward in offense we have taken nearly the same step back on D. I don't want to hear that the defense has played well because they have not. If that is considered playing well we are in big trouble. The UND offense is no juggernaut.
This is not a post against Nielson, it definitely isn't, but this is a post regarding the fact that as a fan base we need to show urgency just like the program should. Games like Saturday are simply unacceptable. Ya can't just flush a near certain win down the toilet, ya just can't. If the team plays like it currently has been playing we are probably looking to finish 2-6 in the Valley. The Big Sky is better this year it would seem but it is still to be determined if Weber State and North Dakota are part of that improving conference. It is going to take significant improvement in a lot of areas for this team to be even 4-4 in the Valley. Let's face it this defense doesn't have to get a little better, it has to get a lot better. As far as Nielson is concerned he was definitely responsible for the Coyotes getting a big lead because though a quarter and a half the Yotes were playing excellent but he is also responsible for the epic meltdown as well. Steveler has got to take care of the ball better but his positives still out weight his negatives.
So Youngstown is up in 2 weeks. If the Yotes want to be .500 or better in conference they better really show up for that game and really show that what happened in the 4th quarter on saturday was a fluke. The Coyotes should really be motivated to right a lot of wrongs and should be playing with a major chip on their shoulder. If they cannot get over the hang over and lay a clunker in Youngstown we could be looking at a long year. Teams go through adversity all the time, what a team is made of is how they bounce back from the kind of catastrophe that happened against UND. We will see exactly what this team is made of in that game.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 20, 2016 7:53:19 GMT -6
Why is anybody taking shots at the Defense? We've played two straight OT games, that means the game was tied at the end of regulation, and the offense has given the other team 21 & 14 points respectively. I won't even begin to mention how a hurry up offense that doesn't move the ball does nothing but hurry up and get off the field leaving the defense hanging out to dry. Watch MNF last night and they touched on this, how the Eagles defense is the same defense but is much improved this season because the offense isn't leaving them on the field for too long.
I could make the case that, while Streveler is a tremendous athlete and we need to have him on the field, his turnovers and poor decisions are killing us and that we might be better off with Simmons at QB being a distributor of the football. Put a package together with Streveler as a back/slot receiver and get him the ball 15-20 times a game so he can still make a difference. The way the MVFC goes we might need that package sooner rather than later as, given the amount of hits he takes, he might not be able to finish a few games, or the season.
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Post by bt71 on Sept 20, 2016 7:56:10 GMT -6
Why is anybody taking shots at the Defense? We've played two straight OT games, that means the game was tied at the end of regulation, and the offense has given the other team 21 & 14 points respectively. I won't even begin to mention how a hurry up offense that doesn't move the ball does nothing but hurry up and get off the field leaving the defense hanging out to dry. Watch MNF last night and they touched on this, how the Eagles defense is the same defense but is much improved this season because the offense isn't leaving them on the field for too long. I could make the case that, while Streveler is a tremendous athlete and we need to have him on the field, his turnovers and poor decisions are killing us and that we might be better off with Simmons at QB being a distributor of the football. Put a package together with Streveler as a back/slot receiver and get him the ball 15-20 times a game so he can still make a difference. The way the MVFC goes we might need that package sooner rather than later as, given the amount of hits he takes, he might not be able to finish a few games, or the season. |
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Post by bt71 on Sept 20, 2016 8:02:13 GMT -6
Yote53 - if the coaches thought Simmons was the answer why would they have recruited Streveler in the first place? Simmons with his cannon may have more upside than Streveler but at this point his knowledge and understanding of the offense is limited. I agree Strevelers turnovers are killing us and he needs to get better but let's not forget he has been in the offense live for about 6 weeks and he has now started a total of 4 college games. I think we need to give him a little more time before we talk about moving his position.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Sept 20, 2016 8:11:50 GMT -6
Yote53 - if the coaches thought Simmons was the answer why would they have recruited Streveler in the first place? Simmons with his cannon may have more upside than Streveler but at this point his knowledge and understanding of the offense is limited. I agree Strevelers turnovers are killing us and he needs to get better but let's not forget he has been in the offense live for about 6 weeks and he has now started a total of 4 college games. I think we need to give him a little more time before we talk about moving his position. Depth, competition, they started recruiting him in spring when they were just getting to know Simmons, and he is just a RS Freshman. It is a best practice to try and have a QB on your roster for every class. |
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Post by bt71 on Sept 20, 2016 8:25:39 GMT -6
Yote53 - if the coaches thought Simmons was the answer why would they have recruited Streveler in the first place? Simmons with his cannon may have more upside than Streveler but at this point his knowledge and understanding of the offense is limited. I agree Strevelers turnovers are killing us and he needs to get better but let's not forget he has been in the offense live for about 6 weeks and he has now started a total of 4 college games. I think we need to give him a little more time before we talk about moving his position. Depth, competition, they started recruiting him in spring when they were just getting to know Simmons, and he is just a RS Freshman. It is a best practice to try and have a QB on your roster for every class. Eddie - I'm not saying Simmons won't get on the field - far from it - he's going to be good but he needs to learn the offense better before he's our every down qb. Like I said I think he could be better than Streveler but he needs a little more time to season. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 20, 2016 8:29:36 GMT -6
Just stating a case could be made for it, didn't say we should do it.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 20, 2016 8:31:44 GMT -6
bt71, as far as that goes both QBs have been coached by this coach and in this system for the same amount of time. As to why bring Streveler in, when a talent like that is on the market you go after it.
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Post by YoKid on Sept 20, 2016 8:44:00 GMT -6
There are a lot of factors:
-football is a game of attrition, being deep at QB is a luxury every coach wants.
-FBS players always attractive
-Streveler is an easy add being if he doesn't pan out as QB he can be used elsewhere
-being a late pickup wonder if any scholly money was available; could have been a bargain
-It's early in the season, there will be more changes, I believe we will see a lot more of Simmons as season continues...
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Post by sdyotefan on Sept 20, 2016 8:53:36 GMT -6
I don't really like a 2 QB system but to bring Simmons in for 20-30 plays a game could help prevent the D from loading the box, it would also lessen the number of hits Strevler is taking and give Simmons more experience. I agree Strevler should take by far the majority of the snaps at this point in time.
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Post by canislatrans on Sept 20, 2016 9:00:50 GMT -6
Because of Streveler's athleticism, it's easy to overlook his passing abilities. Have you looked at his stats, his passer rating is plus 140; 9 TD passes. The only glaring statistic is the 3 INTs, and that only because they were all "pick 6". I think he's made some great throws and of course a few bad ones, but I can see him being a passing threat, with a little cleanup work. IMHO
And I love the potential of Simmons, I think we're fortunate at the QB position right now.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Sept 20, 2016 10:10:22 GMT -6
Because of Streveler's athleticism, it's easy to overlook his passing abilities. Have you looked at his stats, his passer rating is plus 140; 9 TD passes. The only glaring statistic is the 3 INTs, and that only because they were all "pick 6". I think he's made some great throws and of course a few bad ones, but I can see him being a passing threat, with a little cleanup work. IMHO And I love the potential of Simmons, I think we're fortunate at the QB position right now. I concur. Without Strevy the Yotes aren't probably in these games because they wouldn't be scoring so much. Just ditch the 10 yard out pattern on 3rd and 10 and I think we should be good. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Sept 20, 2016 10:12:27 GMT -6
Depth, competition, they started recruiting him in spring when they were just getting to know Simmons, and he is just a RS Freshman. It is a best practice to try and have a QB on your roster for every class. Eddie - I'm not saying Simmons won't get on the field - far from it - he's going to be good but he needs to learn the offense better before he's our every down qb. Like I said I think he could be better than Streveler but he needs a little more time to season. I didn't suggest that you said that. You asked why they would recruit Streveler. I answered why they would do so. At the time they recruited Streveler, they weren't in a position to know what they ultimately thought of Simmons or Saeger. I doubt they thought anybody was "the answer." They were certainly not in a position to pass on a talent like Streveler and I believe they had some familiarity with him when he was recruited out of high school. It is my opinion, based on the huge number of signings carried out from the time the coaches got to campus until now, that they were taking the position of "we want every able body that we can get on this team in order to build depth and competition immediately." |
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Post by YoKid on Sept 20, 2016 10:15:10 GMT -6
Depth, competition, they started recruiting him in spring when they were just getting to know Simmons, and he is just a RS Freshman. It is a best practice to try and have a QB on your roster for every class. Eddie - I'm not saying Simmons won't get on the field - far from it - he's going to be good but he needs to learn the offense better before he's our every down qb. Like I said I think he could be better than Streveler but he needs a little more time to season. Another factor could be the OLine... Streveler's athleticism limits how a defense can play; over 300yds rushing in 3 games is off the charts... Even if Simmons is a better passing QB (which I believe he is), he might not be better for the team today. Streveler passing stats are pretty good: UNM 10/13 117yds 9 avg 1TDs 0 INT WS 22/38 173yds 4.6 avg 4TDs 1 INT UND 16/29 215yds 7.4 avg 4TDs 2 INT Opponents will do their best to put USD in passing situations which will be telling one way or the other... |
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Post by usdyotes on Sept 20, 2016 16:15:47 GMT -6
The QB situation is not hard to figure out guys. Do you really think that if Simmons or Sager were better they would not start?
No coach wants to lose and no new staff would sacrifice a season just to prove a point that "hes our guy". If they were better they would start period. I am not saying nor do I think anyone is saying that they are no good they just aren't better. As for simmons he is getting in as a slot receiver and who knows he might stay there. All I know is that they do have the best QB in there out of the three. Next year is next year and I hope we aren't saying there's always next year soon.
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