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Post by kiyoat on Mar 15, 2018 15:50:13 GMT -6
There were 2 basic things I feel I learned this year. we have two tremendous basketball programs that play and are coached in a very positive and hard working manner. I also learned that no matter who the coach and no matter what kind of team the Coyotes don't fair well in that snake pit of a premier center when they are playing the Jacks. Might as well be playing in Cameron Indoor. Neither team played like themselves and this is a huge elephant that will be a large and menacing one for the foreseeable future. I don't seance an NCAA or bust mentality with the women this year and I think we will see an entirely different team tonight than we saw last night. I hope that you are right about tonight. Regarding the Denny, I heard that they are going to re-seat the tournament after next year, which will open up for more room for red (and green) in the lower bowl. That would certainly make sense given UND joining the conference. That would be huge. What is your source on that?
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Post by Yotes on Mar 15, 2018 15:54:20 GMT -6
They've got to reseat the thing. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't do it on an annual basis.
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Post by flagshipU on Mar 15, 2018 16:06:35 GMT -6
I hope that you are right about tonight. Regarding the Denny, I heard that they are going to re-seat the tournament after next year, which will open up for more room for red (and green) in the lower bowl. That would certainly make sense given UND joining the conference. That would be huge. What is your source on that? Source is a friend that has good connections with the administration.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 15, 2018 16:13:00 GMT -6
If you think the attendance has been high, it will only increase if true. bunny fans will come no matter what and buy all session tickets in the worst seats, just ask them.
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Post by Linus on Mar 16, 2018 9:14:28 GMT -6
They've got to reseat the thing. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't do it on an annual basis. Do you think USD should reshuffle the seats each year for football and basketball season ticket holders? I know many will argue that this is a totally different matter, but I know it was really easy to re-new my tickets for basketball this year knowing who I would be sitting by and where my seats would be. I think SDSU reshuffles their seats every three years, which to me would be a giant pain. Folks at USD that have had their same season tickets in the dome for the last several years probably wouldn’t like being booted out of their spots. In fact I heard that a few years ago the ticket office was going to re-shuffle the seats in the dome and there was such a ruckus that they decided against it.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 16, 2018 9:29:01 GMT -6
I don't think we need to reshuffle the Dome seats at this time. There are still plenty of season tickets available. When it becomes limited is when we should start thinking of reshuffling.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 16, 2018 9:29:15 GMT -6
They've got to reseat the thing. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't do it on an annual basis. Do you think USD should reshuffle the seats each year for football and basketball season ticket holders? I know many will argue that this is a totally different matter, but I know it was really easy to re-new my tickets for basketball this year knowing who I would be sitting by and where my seats would be. I think SDSU reshuffles their seats every three years, which to me would be a giant pain. Folks at USD that have had their same season tickets in the dome for the last several years probably wouldn’t like being booted out of their spots. In fact I heard that a few years ago the ticket office was going to re-shuffle the seats in the dome and there was such a ruckus that they decided against it. I don't have an answer to your question, but I think the comparison between season-ticket-holders and all-session-pass-holders is an apt one. To me, the Sioux Falls authority has treated the SLT tickets similarly to season-tickets, at least in terms of giving first-option on renewal. I don't think that is an appropriate model for a conference tourney, IMHO. Even if it returns big profits.
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Post by Linus on Mar 16, 2018 9:42:14 GMT -6
Do you think USD should reshuffle the seats each year for football and basketball season ticket holders? I know many will argue that this is a totally different matter, but I know it was really easy to re-new my tickets for basketball this year knowing who I would be sitting by and where my seats would be. I think SDSU reshuffles their seats every three years, which to me would be a giant pain. Folks at USD that have had their same season tickets in the dome for the last several years probably wouldn’t like being booted out of their spots. In fact I heard that a few years ago the ticket office was going to re-shuffle the seats in the dome and there was such a ruckus that they decided against it. I don't have an answer to your question, but I think the comparison between season-ticket-holders and all-session-pass-holders is an apt one. To me, the Sioux Falls authority has treated the SLT tickets similarly to season-tickets, at least in terms of giving first-option on renewal. I don't think that is an appropriate model for a conference tourney, IMHO. Even if it returns big profits. I think an interesting statistic on the last 2-year Summit Tournament renewal process is that 80% of ticket holders chose to renew their seats for 2018-2019 tournament. While this is a high number, that also means that 20%, or 1 in 5 chose not to renew their seats. So the tickets that were not renewed were available for anyone to purchase. From that standpoint it is hard to argue that there were no tickets available for other fan bases to get seats. That might not be popular to write on our board, but I think it is the truth. I will be surprised if the SF sports authority chooses to reshuffle the seats after 2019, but I could be wrong.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 16, 2018 9:53:41 GMT -6
I don't have an answer to your question, but I think the comparison between season-ticket-holders and all-session-pass-holders is an apt one. To me, the Sioux Falls authority has treated the SLT tickets similarly to season-tickets, at least in terms of giving first-option on renewal. I don't think that is an appropriate model for a conference tourney, IMHO. Even if it returns big profits. I think an interesting statistic on the last 2-year Summit Tournament renewal process is that 80% of ticket holders chose to renew their seats for 2018-2019 tournament. While this is a high number, that also means that 20%, or 1 in 5 chose not to renew their seats. So the tickets that were not renewed were available for anyone to purchase. From that standpoint it is hard to argue that there were no tickets available for other fan bases to get seats. That might not be popular to write on our board, but I think it is the truth. I will be surprised if the SF sports authority chooses to reshuffle the seats after 2019, but I could be wrong. Fair points. At least they are trying to accommodate the addition of UND, and giving them a fair shot. (at least I assume that is the reason) I doubt that UND will be the last conference addition or subtraction, though. 9 teams is a less-than ideal number for scheduling, and we may have a baseball problem if IPFW leaves. On a side note, one of my bosses was able to get insanely good seats (midcourt, 4 rows back) by just asking to be put on a waiting list. I think he paid a lot for them, but for those wanting good seats, there is a way. May have something to do with the 20% attrition you described.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 16, 2018 10:03:01 GMT -6
Bump.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 16, 2018 10:42:32 GMT -6
They've got to reseat the thing. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't do it on an annual basis. Do you think USD should reshuffle the seats each year for football and basketball season ticket holders? I know many will argue that this is a totally different matter, but I know it was really easy to re-new my tickets for basketball this year knowing who I would be sitting by and where my seats would be. I think SDSU reshuffles their seats every three years, which to me would be a giant pain. Folks at USD that have had their same season tickets in the dome for the last several years probably wouldn’t like being booted out of their spots. In fact I heard that a few years ago the ticket office was going to re-shuffle the seats in the dome and there was such a ruckus that they decided against it. I do believe that the Dome and SCSC should be reseated on a regular basis, say every five years. How else would rising donors be able to move into better seats? I got my football seats in 2014 right after finishing my undergrad when I was only good for the minimum $100 donation. Time has passed and I've been able to increase my contribution, but (as far as I know) there's no way for me to move closer unless I call the ticket office at the right time and hope that someone else has cancelled their season tickets. I would not call that a good structure. My seats are fine - I did get them before the current buzz around this program - but as interest in Coyote football increases we will see new faces who will over time earn better seats than they started with. In order to make things fair we will need a re-seat from time to time. We're headed for one with the added capacity to the Dome but it's something that should be done again periodically. Our home facility situation is entirely different than a neutral site tournament. The only "donors" to the Summit League Tournament are the sponsors, who are taken care of as they should be. All general public sales should be annual and on a first-come first-served basis. The reward of better seats will be given to those dedicated enough to buy early. The current system is an exclusionary practice and looks even more absurd if you apply it to other events. Should anyone who saw Tim McGraw at the Denny last year be able to renew their seats for his concert there this summer? And then the next time he comes? And the next time? Of course not. Donors should be rewarded for their contribution and dedication. Neutral site events should be neutral.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 16, 2018 11:15:47 GMT -6
Why should the Dome be reseated for new faces? I've got well over a decade of buying multiple season tickets and HP contributions. Given how priority points are accumulated I should be okay for retaining my seats but, let's be honest, I didn't need to be a ST holder for the last decade+ in order to get into the building. I spent a lot of money over the years on something I could have probably got for free on gameday outside the stadium (there are always people giving away tickets, I usually give away one or two per game to people that need them I meet tailgating) because I knew the day would come where demand would be high and priority points would be of value and I also felt supporting the program financially was the right thing to do. Now you're saying it is okay for somebody to come in and bump me because they are new to the bandwagon? Yeah, that's not going to go over well.
You know you can let the ticket office know beforehand that you will be renewing and are looking to upgrade. They are pretty active with renewals every season and would be more than happy to accommodate people looking to upgrade to seats from ST holders that have dropped them. Just call and ask.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 16, 2018 12:22:18 GMT -6
Why should the Dome be reseated for new faces? I've got well over a decade of buying multiple season tickets and HP contributions. Given how priority points are accumulated I should be okay for retaining my seats but, let's be honest, I didn't need to be a ST holder for the last decade+ in order to get into the building. I spent a lot of money over the years on something I could have probably got for free on gameday outside the stadium (there are always people giving away tickets, I usually give away one or two per game to people that need them I meet tailgating) because I knew the day would come where demand would be high and priority points would be of value and I also felt supporting the program financially was the right thing to do. Now you're saying it is okay for somebody to come in and bump me because they are new to the bandwagon? Yeah, that's not going to go over well. You know you can let the ticket office know beforehand that you will be renewing and are looking to upgrade. They are pretty active with renewals every season and would be more than happy to accommodate people looking to upgrade to seats from ST holders that have dropped them. Just call and ask. I'm suggesting a periodic re-seating based on priority points, same way they did the initial seating of the SCSC. Newcomers aren't going to bump those with high point totals. Over time newcomers may make significant contributions and surpass people in closer seats based on priority points. If I started donating $2000 per year the best I could ever do is maybe get seats that someone else cancelled, and those might just end up behind someone doing the minimum $100 but they keep their seats because no one can be bumped under any circumstance. I could have triple their priority points but the points are never utilized. Right now this isn't a big deal. The people who have given significant sums and have been around for a long time are already in premier seats, if only because the demand for season tickets was lower in the past. But if interest in Coyote athletics rises to what we dream of there will be plenty of additional donors that should be given what they have earned, rather than keeping them in the back simply because someone else has been around longer. I'm sure our friends in Fargo took the route I'm suggesting once things picked up for them.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 16, 2018 13:41:43 GMT -6
Your points are valid Yotes, but don't you think the new construction on the west side of the dome will take care of many or all of your concerns? Some people might relocate across the way to the west, opening seats on the east and then there's also the doubling of the good seats because of that construction. That really should make a huge difference.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 16, 2018 14:37:58 GMT -6
The committee can do whatever they want, but if I was a UND fan I would be pissed if I didn't have the same chance at seats. If SDSU left for another conference and they were in the situation UND will be in there would be hell to pay. The world only revolves around them in their eyes and when something goes bad, just sweep it under the rug. If the SL wants to maximize attendance I don't see why they wouldn't open it up. When did the 2 year rule go into existence?
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