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Post by kiyoat on Apr 17, 2018 10:44:41 GMT -6
Updates on Men's BB average home Attendance, now that the regular season is over: (Hosted post-season games' attendance will be included in the official numbers, though) NDSU 2,757 ORU 2,412 (-) UNO 2,367 (+) USD 2,335 * highest since 2008 SDSU 2,292 ** lowest since 2010 UND 1,865 IPFW 1,415 Denver 1,204 (-) WIU 603 (-) (+) = highest in over ten years (-) = lowest in over ten years Some record highs and lows this year... Updated with two minor changes: USD and Ft. Wayne hosted postseason tournaments: NDSU 2,757 ORU 2,412 (-) UNO 2,367 (+) SDSU 2,292 ** lowest since 2010 USD 2,269 * highest since 2008
UND 1,865 IPFW 1,404 Denver 1,204 (-) WIU 603 (-) (+) = highest in over ten years (-) = lowest in over ten years Summit League average = 1908 with UND, 1913 without UND (assumes teams played the same # games, this is an estimate)
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Post by yotebewithyou on Apr 17, 2018 13:05:59 GMT -6
If people think USD posted bogus numbers, I'd LOVE to see everyone's thoughts on ORU and Omaha's numbers...
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 17, 2018 13:32:34 GMT -6
If people think USD posted bogus numbers, I'd LOVE to see everyone's thoughts on ORU and Omaha's numbers... No kidding. I think we all (but one) of us have come to the realization that USD always counts sold tickets rather than gate, and that a certain percentage of season ticket-holders don't attend every game. I'm not sure why SDSU chooses to only count gate. It doesn't really benefit them. ORU and Omaha, on the other hand, are a completely different animal. I have read somewhere that ORU scans student and faculty ID cards as a way to boost attendance numbers. I could see that happening, but it's a small school anyway. For Omaha, I don't know what the deal is. They don't combine Hockey and BB season tickets, from what i have seen online. Maybe they have unloaded a bunch of season tickets to donors that don't intend on attending? Maybe they unload a bunch of student season tickets for cheap? It's a decent sized school, 15,000 students.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 17, 2018 18:47:02 GMT -6
All attendance figures are bogus. Some take advantage of the non-existent oversight more than others, but I'm skeptical of every attendance figure.
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Post by oldhare on Apr 17, 2018 20:55:16 GMT -6
If people think USD posted bogus numbers, I'd LOVE to see everyone's thoughts on ORU and Omaha's numbers... No kidding. I think we all (but one) of us have come to the realization that USD always counts sold tickets rather than gate, and that a certain percentage of season ticket-holders don't attend every game. I'm not sure why SDSU chooses to only count gate. It doesn't really benefit them. ORU and Omaha, on the other hand, are a completely different animal. I have read somewhere that ORU scans student and faculty ID cards as a way to boost attendance numbers. I could see that happening, but it's a small school anyway. For Omaha, I don't know what the deal is. They don't combine Hockey and BB season tickets, from what i have seen online. Maybe they have unloaded a bunch of season tickets to donors that don't intend on attending? Maybe they unload a bunch of student season tickets for cheap? It's a decent sized school, 15,000 students. The Omaha gate can be enhanced with a number of local youth events during the games which bring local parents. The men's games also draw fairly well on their own.
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Post by The Jungle on Apr 20, 2018 15:36:22 GMT -6
Or more. Has anyone watched the ORU games on ESPN3? Most of their games are broadcasted on ESPN3. There can't be more than 1,000 fans at any game yet they consistently report numbers much higher.
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Post by aldewitt on Jul 7, 2018 3:58:03 GMT -6
Updates on Men's BB average home Attendance, now that the regular season is over: (Hosted post-season games' attendance will be included in the official numbers, though) NDSU 2,757 ORU 2,412 (-) UNO 2,367 (+) USD 2,335 * highest since 2008 SDSU 2,292 ** lowest since 2010 UND 1,865 IPFW 1,415 Denver 1,204 (-) WIU 603 (-) (+) = highest in over ten years (-) = lowest in over ten years Some record highs and lows this year... Augi would settle in somewhere near the top of that list. I was at a game at ORU a few yrs back. We sat court side in comfortable theater seats and the arena wasnt even half full.
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Post by kiyoat on Jul 7, 2018 7:16:46 GMT -6
Updates on Men's BB average home Attendance, now that the regular season is over: (Hosted post-season games' attendance will be included in the official numbers, though) NDSU 2,757 ORU 2,412 (-) UNO 2,367 (+) USD 2,335 * highest since 2008 SDSU 2,292 ** lowest since 2010 UND 1,865 IPFW 1,415 Denver 1,204 (-) WIU 603 (-) (+) = highest in over ten years (-) = lowest in over ten years Some record highs and lows this year... Augi would settle in somewhere near the top of that list. I was at a game at ORU a few yrs back. We sat court side in comfortable theater seats and the arena wasnt even half full. True story. Also when you look at Augustana's attendance over time they have maintained the same level from NCC to NSIC, against a backdrop of rapidly declining Div-2 attendance. They have been in the top 3 in D-2 for a number of years. They seem to have a dedicated core of fans that come no matter what. That's a good foundation to build from. In football they don't have the numbers, but that is a different discussion.
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Post by aldewitt on Jul 7, 2018 11:50:03 GMT -6
After a prospective school qualifies for transition the next criteria in my mind is Attendance. Three of the biggest college football fan bases in the upper Midwest are right there. I won’t bother to look but Im estimating UMKs attendance to be around 1,000, if that.
The big schools are the big games and the big schools are the ones drawing the crowds making Augi a big game in basketball.
With Augi in the mix there would be a lot of virtual home games for the three SD schools.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jul 9, 2018 10:21:42 GMT -6
Updates on Men's BB average home Attendance, now that the regular season is over: (Hosted post-season games' attendance will be included in the official numbers, though) NDSU 2,757 ORU 2,412 (-) UNO 2,367 (+) USD 2,335 * highest since 2008 SDSU 2,292 ** lowest since 2010 UND 1,865 IPFW 1,415 Denver 1,204 (-) WIU 603 (-) (+) = highest in over ten years (-) = lowest in over ten years Some record highs and lows this year... Augi would settle in somewhere near the top of that list. I was at a game at ORU a few yrs back. We sat court side in comfortable theater seats and the arena wasnt even half full. Have Augie raise ticket prices from $8 to $20 per game, get rid of Friday/Saturday doubleheaders, and play a schedule filled with random weeknight games for a few seasons then get back to me. You can't compare attendance at SDSU, USD, Augie, and Northern because you are comparing apples to oranges. There are so many differences in how the schedules are constructed, the only similarity is that they each play the sport of basketball.
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Post by Yotes on Jul 9, 2018 16:55:46 GMT -6
You don't think they'd draw 2,500 to watch Purdue-Fort Wayne on a Wednesday? Then also show up the next day to watch their women take on that same team?
I only know the D1 USD, but it sounds like we drew a ton more people with the scheduling Augie has in place. Yote 53 is dead on.
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Post by hokieman on Jul 9, 2018 19:02:19 GMT -6
I agree it's an apples-vs.-oranges comparison, but Augie's fan support deserves some respect. Yes, their games are held on the most desirable days of the week, but their opponents aren't exactly the most appealing to the casual fan. We're not talking Duke and Kentucky. We're talking Wayne State, Minn.-Crookston, Upper Iowa, Minot State, et al.
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Post by Yotes on Jul 9, 2018 20:08:26 GMT -6
I agree it's an apples-vs.-oranges comparison, but Augie's fan support deserves some respect. Yes, their games are held on the most desirable days of the week, but their opponents aren't exactly the most appealing to the casual fan. We're not talking Duke and Kentucky. We're talking Wayne State, Minn.-Crookston, Upper Iowa, Minot State, et al. And USF and Northern, and other schools that can reasonably travel to the game. I think this is also worth noting.
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Post by hokieman on Jul 9, 2018 20:28:05 GMT -6
Again, I agree -- proximity matters. That's why I believe Augie vs. USD or SDSU basketball games would be a hoot. Sports, after all, are supposed to be fun, and it's doesn't get much more fun in South Dakota college sports than in-state rivalries going at it in full-throated competition (minus the frozen, dead animals flung on mid-court, of course).
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Post by usdcoyote on Jul 10, 2018 7:50:32 GMT -6
Augi would settle in somewhere near the top of that list. I was at a game at ORU a few yrs back. We sat court side in comfortable theater seats and the arena wasnt even half full. Have Augie raise ticket prices from $8 to $20 per game, get rid of Friday/Saturday doubleheaders, and play a schedule filled with random weeknight games for a few seasons then get back to me. You can't compare attendance at SDSU, USD, Augie, and Northern because you are comparing apples to oranges. There are so many differences in how the schedules are constructed, the only similarity is that they each play the sport of basketball. You bring up some good points. There is a lot I miss about the DII days. There are reasons both us and State are way down in attendance compared to the DII days, and reasons Northern is killing us in attendance.
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