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Post by usdtator on May 23, 2017 7:28:14 GMT -6
Any thoughts on USD moving the Law School to Sioux Falls? Vermillion businesses are freaking out... Personally, I think it should stay in Vermillion... Tradition.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 23, 2017 8:12:40 GMT -6
Really bad idea.
I'll use the slippery slope argument. Can't allow it to happen.
My wife (law school grad) is now texting me about this. Says it would be easier to intern in Sioux Falls. My response is it would be easier for the med school, business school, and every other school in Sioux Falls. So just move USD to Sioux Falls? No way.
The other argument is there are many law school students who will be practicing in Iowa and intern down in Sioux City.
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Post by yotefan on May 23, 2017 9:21:35 GMT -6
I keep hearing about the economy playing a role in this decision and just shake my head. The economy has always had ups and downs, booms and busts in the over 100 year history of the law school and yet the law school has continued to produce top tier attorneys who can practice with the best our country's law schools have to offer.
My fear is this 13 member committee is nothing more than window dressing to come up with a recommendation supporting a decision that is already a foregone conclusion: the law school should head to the new USD research park.
USD is the institution and campus it is because of the presence of the law school, the med school, the business school, and so on collectively. You start cutting off your nose to save your face and pretty soon all you have left is a Picasso.
Additionally, to excise the law school from this equation in the name of law student opportunity is ridiculous. First, it ignores the opportunity its presence on campus already provides to undergrad students, you know, the base from which many of the law students come from. Second, this notion that it will provide more internship opportunities is crazy. Look, if you're a law student and you're doing law school the way you should, the only time you have for internships is in the summer. Those internships at all these firms in Sioux Falls will still be there waiting.
Further, if you can't bring a class of 70-90 first year law students (the current business model) to Vermillion every year then change your business model and bring in 40-50 students instead who want to be in Vermillion and more importantly, who want to practice in SD and the surrounding area.
As a law student I never looked at the location of the school as being a limiting or even a deciding factor in my decision to apply to USD. I looked at the degree I would have after graduation as a ticket to open doors once I was done. Call me old fashioned, but isn't that the way post-secondary and post-graduate education is supposed to work? It's a model that has served USD and the law school well. If you move the law school, may as well relocate USD as a whole because that's the domino game you're about to embark on boys.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 23, 2017 9:53:39 GMT -6
The City of Vermillion and the people there are not going to take this well. There is such a thing as town and gown relations. It's going to get ugly.
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Post by usdtator on May 23, 2017 12:04:21 GMT -6
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Post by yotefan on May 23, 2017 12:07:51 GMT -6
As a member of the SD Bar Association I learned this was more than just idle speculation from Keloland news. Not real pleased about that fact. Also, Mark is a great guy, but he earned his JD from Harvard. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have your committee chair be an actual USD law grad. It seems we really put our thinking caps on for this one.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 23, 2017 12:27:32 GMT -6
You know how this kind of thing creeps into other areas? I need to renew my season tickets for football and HP membership this week. This type of news seriously peeves me off. I am actually hesitating calling the ticket office. Sure, I'm small potatoes compared to the big donors, but this type of stuff does add up and effect other areas of the university. Will this cause fundraising to fall? What effect does it have on capital campaigns? There is a psychological effect of moving one of the cornerstone schools in the university out of Vermillion. It's not leaving me with the warm & fuzzies, I can tell you that.
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Post by yotefan on May 23, 2017 12:36:51 GMT -6
Well put.
I earned a JD and a Masters of Public Administration along with several of my classmates. Others in my class earned a JD/MBA while others still pursued altogether different masters degrees while earning their JD. Cost-benefit analysis not making sense all the way around on this deal as law students wishing to pursue those opportunities would now have to drive to Vermillion from Sioux Falls. Brilliant.
Frankly, the only support I have heard so far for this has come from one person who earned a law degree 40 years ago from an institution other than USD. This should go the way of the flying car. Sorry for those Popular Mechanic fans out there.
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Post by Yotes on May 23, 2017 13:56:37 GMT -6
Cost benefit. How many more students will you atteact, what collateral damage do you cause? I just don't see the move paying off much at all and it would be major blow to the campus and community.
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Post by sdyotefan on May 23, 2017 15:15:08 GMT -6
Not a smart idea and hopefully it goes nowhere (pun intended!!)
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 23, 2017 15:43:03 GMT -6
I am always in the minority on this board and I am once again on this topic. USD should do what is best for their future and not what just happens to be best for tradition. As long as the law school is still the USD law school I am in favor of it moving to Sioux Falls as well as the rest of the campus as well. USD in time becomes the #1 desired school in this state if they are located in Sioux Falls. They are already #1 in my mind but perception is reality and a Sioux Falls location nails down the perception angle. Many students don't want to come to Vermillion to go to school. They go to Vermillion in spite of Vermillion because USD just happens to be located there. For the pro Vermillion people it's good that the new arena was built there because that probably prevents athletics from moving out any time soon but ya never know. I can't even eat at Chae's or Reuchardo's (sorry about spelling) anymore when I come to town. Let's face it if traditionalists had their way John Austin would still be the football coach. People need to think proactively instead of in reaction to everything. Vermillion just fails to grow and there is a town vs University discord. I personally don't think Vermillion deserves the U.
For the record I think this should happen but it won't happen. People care too much about the past for this to take place. People don't usually think with a future vision in mind. That is pretty much the State of South Dakota as a whole. The state is pretty much Sioux Falls vs the rest of the state. I prefer to vision of Sioux Falls and prefer growth and progressive thinking.
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Post by gopheryote on May 23, 2017 16:07:17 GMT -6
FWIW, I think the education model has changed too much in the past 10-15 years to stay with the same thing (single location/destination campuses) that most of us on this board experienced and enjoyed. I'm starting to think a dual-campus approach (one in SF, one in Vermillion) is the way to go, as long as there are available facilities in SF. And since University Center is about empty and the new research park is underway...
Also, its worth noting that the U of Minnesota has 3 separate campuses, albeit in the same general area of MSP. But the folks in the St. Paul campus never rubbed shoulders with the folks on the West Bank, except at a game or Sally's.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on May 23, 2017 16:27:54 GMT -6
Really bad idea. I'll use the slippery slope argument. Can't allow it to happen. My wife (law school grad) is now texting me about this. Says it would be easier to intern in Sioux Falls. My response is it would be easier for the med school, business school, and every other school in Sioux Falls. So just move USD to Sioux Falls? No way. The other argument is there are many law school students who will be practicing in Iowa and intern down in Sioux City. A huge portion of the med school activities are already in SF (and other communities with teaching hospitals), for what it is worth. I think the investigation is a good idea. I am a law school grad that came back to SD from an out of state undergrad. I LOVED Vermillion and that experience helped galvanize my fan-hood with USD Athletics. That said, I see both sides to this coin. I see this as a challenge in two ways. It is a challenge to USD Law grads to open up their pocket books and it is a challenge to Vermillion businesses to step up their game and better embrace/support the University. The later is better now than ever but still significantly behind Rabbiton and the state college. An exploration into the subject is a worthy cause.
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Post by sd4life on May 23, 2017 18:51:04 GMT -6
Any move would be short sighted. I hope the athletic department will get a say in this. If the law school were to move, it will end up hurting USD more in the long run. Many Vermillion residents will be upset over this. They are already upset with the committee being formed.
Vermillion needs USD and USD needs Vermillion.
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Post by sd4life on May 23, 2017 18:55:16 GMT -6
Really bad idea. I'll use the slippery slope argument. Can't allow it to happen. My wife (law school grad) is now texting me about this. Says it would be easier to intern in Sioux Falls. My response is it would be easier for the med school, business school, and every other school in Sioux Falls. So just move USD to Sioux Falls? No way. The other argument is there are many law school students who will be practicing in Iowa and intern down in Sioux City. A huge portion of the med school activities are already in SF (and other communities with teaching hospitals), for what it is worth. I think the investigation is a good idea. I am a law school grad that came back to SD from an out of state undergrad. I LOVED Vermillion and that experience helped galvanize my fan-hood with USD Athletics. That said, I see both sides to this coin. I see this as a challenge in two ways. It is a challenge to USD Law grads to open up their pocket books and it is a challenge to Vermillion businesses to step up their game and better embrace/support the University. The later is better now than ever but still significantly behind Rabbiton and the state college. An exploration into the subject is a worthy cause. The first 2 years of med school are in Vermillion. The 3rd year is either in Yankton, SF, and Rapid. The 4th year can be basically anywhere.
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