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Post by aldewitt on Sept 20, 2017 7:48:08 GMT -6
IF the game were played today:
Projected winner: USD
Spread: USD -5
Over/Under: 65
Typical Score: USD 35 WIU 30
I gave WIU +3 for home advantage
Both teams have powerful offenses with dominating running games. USD has a more prolific passing game.
Both defenses are extremely stingy on the ground. This could be a long game with a lot of passing. Lots of yards maybe lots of scoring?
Today I'm taking the over, USD to win and cover. Update next week.
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 20, 2017 19:55:28 GMT -6
It's nice that you're happy that Nielsen is gone because we're thrilled that he's here. Makes for two satisfied parties. If you want we have a Men's baketball coach that i will be willing to give you as well. Thanks, but no thanks. We'll probably just stick with the status quo in men's hoops. Nice of you to offer though. |
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Post by thebacksackdad on Sept 21, 2017 21:08:52 GMT -6
INVITATION TO ALL GOING TO WIU...
At the conclusion of the game...if we have handily defeated WIU...I'm going down to the 50 yd line, behind the team, and singing "Sweet Caroline...boom, boom, boom...". Hope any USD fans that are there join me!!!
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Post by western101 on Sept 22, 2017 0:46:56 GMT -6
So First Post, I'm a believer that you are legit. I know no one here gives a flying flip. However the search and resourses put in to secure Neilson was not insignificant.
There is buddy/gentleman rule that you don't steal amoungst your own. In the 11th hour Bob called a meeting and said that yes he had interviewd but he was a leatherneck through and through. The tone was jubilant. 2 days later from a remote location he announces he is the new head coach of USD.
Our kids were devastated, angry, he taught them self discipline and to always be a man of honor and always hold yourself to a higher level.
I don't know, South Dakota wanted him so bad, he just played them. saying no having a rally and what? DID THEY DOUBLE THE OFFER?
THe kids here that he recruited view him as a hypocrite and a traitor. I have not done the research, when was the last time a D-1 coach under contract was poached away by a fellow member institution?
Although I feel what USD did was unethical, it takes two to tango, if he was what he preached he would not have engaged those talks. Something tells me he wanted that job.
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Post by western101 on Sept 22, 2017 0:55:09 GMT -6
Im concerned that although these kids have it beaten in to their heads that Coastal is the objective. Many are looking past to the date they circled on their calendar. Beat not USD but Bob Nielson, send him out of town tarred and feathered on rails (figuratively speaking)
This is the only game this year that WIU views as a must win. Betrayal is not soon forgotten.
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Post by bt71 on Sept 22, 2017 4:05:18 GMT -6
Im concerned that although these kids have it beaten in to their heads that Coastal is the objective. Many are looking past to the date they circled on their calendar. Beat not USD but Bob Nielson, send him out of town tarred and feathered on rails (figuratively speaking) This is the only game this year that WIU views as a must win. Betrayal is not soon forgotten. Western101 - welcome and appreciate the insight. Having lived in IL I understand how financially strapped the state really is. It's dead flat broke - the school system at every level is suffering and only a matter of time before the pain is truly felt by everyone associated with the state. From what I've heard one of the main reasons bob left WIU was that there were such limited resources - he was promised things for the players such as cost of attendance stipends- from the university that were never delivered upon. To me he made a business decision - what was best for him and his family in the long term. If anyone faults that thought process then you've probably never been in that situation. What this topic really should spur is some conversation about the players right to transfer if their coach decides to leave. You are correct the players are the ones left holding the bag. The NCAA is a monopoly that controls everything and owns the players and everything about them. Most people do not realize that NCAA athletes sign a "contract" that says the NCAA owns their image, name etc. Independently a college athlete cannot sell a jersey with their name or likeness on it - the NCAA owns the right To do that. That's just wrong in my opinion. (Sorry my rant on that topic) So If the athletes were allowed one transfer without penalty in their collegiate career this issue of coaches leaving would not sting so much. We May have to agree to disagree but from what I've seen USD is very happy to have Bob running the team. He's been a standup guy and treats his players well. Hehas put USD back on the map. I look forward to your feedback. |
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Post by obc on Sept 22, 2017 6:37:36 GMT -6
Im concerned that although these kids have it beaten in to their heads that Coastal is the objective. Many are looking past to the date they circled on their calendar. Beat not USD but Bob Nielson, send him out of town tarred and feathered on rails (figuratively speaking) This is the only game this year that WIU views as a must win. Betrayal is not soon forgotten. Situations like this are how rivalries are born. Could probably think of some creative trophies and names with some more thought. Looking forward to a great game a week from Saturday. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 22, 2017 6:52:53 GMT -6
If Western delivered on their promises they wouldn't need to worry about losing coaches. Illinois is broke, I would worry more about WIU losing athletics or closing down altogether than losing a coach.
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Post by yotefbfan on Sept 22, 2017 7:03:53 GMT -6
So First Post, I'm a believer that you are legit. I know no one here gives a flying flip. However the search and resourses put in to secure Neilson was not insignificant. There is buddy/gentleman rule that you don't steal amoungst your own. In the 11th hour Bob called a meeting and said that yes he had interviewd but he was a leatherneck through and through. The tone was jubilant. 2 days later from a remote location he announces he is the new head coach of USD. Our kids were devastated, angry, he taught them self discipline and to always be a man of honor and always hold yourself to a higher level. I don't know, South Dakota wanted him so bad, he just played them. saying no having a rally and what? DID THEY DOUBLE THE OFFER? THe kids here that he recruited view him as a hypocrite and a traitor. I have not done the research, when was the last time a D-1 coach under contract was poached away by a fellow member institution? Although I feel what USD did was unethical, it takes two to tango, if he was what he preached he would not have engaged those talks. Something tells me he wanted that job. Western 101, Just a few thoughts, have you ever searched for a new job? If you have, I am sure you did not tell all the employees that worked for you that you were looking for a different place of employment, because if that job fell through you would lose their confidence in you. Until Bob signed his contract with USD, I am sure he continued to bleed purple and gold, because if it fell apart at the last hour, he would have wanted to build on what he had already accomplished and not have had anyone question his loyalties. NCAA football is a cold business and changes occur often. Student athletes often choose schools for their coaching staffs, since these are the folks who court them, but eventually they must learn that they stay for the University as coaching staffs often change. To my knowledge there is no NCAA or MVFC rule that prevents coaches for going to another school at their level or in the conference. It will be interesting after the game to see if their are warm embraces or a cold reception by former players who feel he was "a hypocrite and a traitor". I am guessing, regardless of the outcome there will be many warm embraces. Correct me it I am wrong, but I thought WIU was close to having Coach Yelk be the Head Coach and then they backed off and did a National search and found Coach Fischer from Richmond? Had you hired Coach Yelk, most if not all of the assistants might have stayed at WIU, but instead you needed to rebuild the entire staff. The result is a team made of mostly juniors and seniors all recruited by Bob's staff. A quick look at your latest 2 deep has only 17 of the 55 players who were brought in by the current staff as recruits or transfers and only 4 are listed as starters. Seems like your current success might be contributed to what Coach Bob did for WIU? Conversely, at USD, according to our last 2 deep, 28 of the 55 players listed were brought in by this staff and 11 of those are listed as starters. Any chance this staff knows how to recruit? Speaking of recruiting, 3 years ago Coach Bob and WIU were talking about stadium expansion, including new coaches offices, player meeting rooms and a new locker room. This was a lure to entice players to choose WIU over other schools. How is that going? Heard you might be halfway there? Conversely, USD has completed the Sanford Coyote Sports Center (the new weight room and training facilities help in recruiting) and is completing fund raising for the renovation of the Dome which will include a new locker room, coaches offices and player meeting rooms. Coach Nielson wants to win and he knows that winning the recruiting battle, will eventually lead to wins on the field (see this year as evidence). There are no promises that he will stay here forever, but at least he is getting the support he knows is necessary to sustain success. Unfortunately, the State of Illinois is in financial shambles and the result has had a negative effect on all of the State Universities. According to the WIU website, their enrollment in 2006 was 13,602 and this fall it is at 9,441. Additionally, WIU has significantly cut teaching staff. All of these factors do not help with recruiting. Don't be surprised to see Coach Fischer bolt for greener pastures after two successful years at WIU. If WIU focuses their preparation on beating Coach Bob (FYI: I heard with his new hip he got his 40 time to under 10 seconds) then I am confident to predict a big USD win. On the other hand, if WIU prepares for the players and schemes that USD has then this will be a great test for us and a better measuring stick of how we might fair all year in the tough MVFC. I will enjoy the weekend off, but I look forward to the battle ahead. I would encourage you and the WIU team to focus more on revenge and beating Bob than beating our team and we will let the results speak for themselves. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 22, 2017 7:04:18 GMT -6
So First Post, I'm a believer that you are legit. I know no one here gives a flying flip. However the search and resourses put in to secure Neilson was not insignificant. There is buddy/gentleman rule that you don't steal amoungst your own. In the 11th hour Bob called a meeting and said that yes he had interviewd but he was a leatherneck through and through. The tone was jubilant. 2 days later from a remote location he announces he is the new head coach of USD. Our kids were devastated, angry, he taught them self discipline and to always be a man of honor and always hold yourself to a higher level. I don't know, South Dakota wanted him so bad, he just played them. saying no having a rally and what? DID THEY DOUBLE THE OFFER? THe kids here that he recruited view him as a hypocrite and a traitor. I have not done the research, when was the last time a D-1 coach under contract was poached away by a fellow member institution? Although I feel what USD did was unethical, it takes two to tango, if he was what he preached he would not have engaged those talks. Something tells me he wanted that job. I don't blame Nielson given how gloomy the situation at Western Illinois sounds. He didn't want to tie himself to that sinking ship, and what choice did he have besides another MVFC school? Any other FCS conference would be a step down, and I doubt any FBS schools were offering head coaching positions. USD was the right choice for his family and career. You asked about the last time a D1 moved within conference, Steve Sarkisian comes to mind. Pulled Washington out of the dumps then went to USC in 2014. I can't think of even one other example though. |
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Sept 22, 2017 7:14:35 GMT -6
So First Post, I'm a believer that you are legit. I know no one here gives a flying flip. However the search and resourses put in to secure Neilson was not insignificant. There is buddy/gentleman rule that you don't steal amoungst your own. In the 11th hour Bob called a meeting and said that yes he had interviewd but he was a leatherneck through and through. The tone was jubilant. 2 days later from a remote location he announces he is the new head coach of USD. Our kids were devastated, angry, he taught them self discipline and to always be a man of honor and always hold yourself to a higher level. I don't know, South Dakota wanted him so bad, he just played them. saying no having a rally and what? DID THEY DOUBLE THE OFFER? THe kids here that he recruited view him as a hypocrite and a traitor. I have not done the research, when was the last time a D-1 coach under contract was poached away by a fellow member institution? Although I feel what USD did was unethical, it takes two to tango, if he was what he preached he would not have engaged those talks. Something tells me he wanted that job. I don't blame Nielson given how gloomy the situation at Western Illinois sounds. He didn't want to tie himself to that sinking ship, and what choice did he have besides another MVFC school? Any other FCS conference would be a step down, and I doubt any FBS schools were offering head coaching positions. USD was the right choice for his family and career. You asked about the last time a D1 moved within conference, Steve Sarkisian comes to mind. Pulled Washington out of the dumps then went to USC in 2014. I can't think of even one other example though. It's also important to remember Nielsen was hired by an AD who was only liked by himself and was fired shortly after i would have had a lot more respect for Bob if he had just been straight up what else would you expect from someone who basically felt like the Alumni didn't deserve any of his time Bob is a good coach but i've seen dead cats with more personality good coach who's personality just wasn't right for Western and he is the second WIU football coach to leave for a conference foe. |
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Post by bt71 on Sept 22, 2017 7:28:55 GMT -6
I don't blame Nielson given how gloomy the situation at Western Illinois sounds. He didn't want to tie himself to that sinking ship, and what choice did he have besides another MVFC school? Any other FCS conference would be a step down, and I doubt any FBS schools were offering head coaching positions. USD was the right choice for his family and career. You asked about the last time a D1 moved within conference, Steve Sarkisian comes to mind. Pulled Washington out of the dumps then went to USC in 2014. I can't think of even one other example though. It's also important to remember Nielsen was hired by an AD who was only liked by himself and was fired shortly after i would have had a lot more respect for Bob if he had just been straight up what else would you expect from someone who basically felt like the Alumni didn't deserve any of his time Bob is a good coach but i've seen dead cats with more personality good coach who's personality just wasn't right for Western and he is the second WIU football coach to leave for a conference foe. Second coach to leave for a foe....sounds like a trend to me. And who cares about his personality? You want a guy that puts on a good show or one that can recruit and develop a successful football program. I personally vote for #2...but that's just me. |
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Sept 22, 2017 7:31:49 GMT -6
It's also important to remember Nielsen was hired by an AD who was only liked by himself and was fired shortly after i would have had a lot more respect for Bob if he had just been straight up what else would you expect from someone who basically felt like the Alumni didn't deserve any of his time Bob is a good coach but i've seen dead cats with more personality good coach who's personality just wasn't right for Western and he is the second WIU football coach to leave for a conference foe. Second coach to leave for a foe....sounds like a trend to me. And who cares about his personality? You want a guy that puts on a good show or one that can recruit and develop a successful football program. I personally vote for #2...but that's just me. doesn't matter the show if no one is there to see it. |
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Post by bt71 on Sept 22, 2017 7:35:20 GMT -6
Second coach to leave for a foe....sounds like a trend to me. And who cares about his personality? You want a guy that puts on a good show or one that can recruit and develop a successful football program. I personally vote for #2...but that's just me. doesn't matter the show if no one is there to see it. No even sure what that statement means. Obviously the "Bob Show" is working in some fashion - we are getting some excellent recruits and it looks like he got some good ones for WIU as well when he was there. |
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Post by yote14 on Sept 22, 2017 7:36:47 GMT -6
I don't blame Nielson given how gloomy the situation at Western Illinois sounds. He didn't want to tie himself to that sinking ship, and what choice did he have besides another MVFC school? Any other FCS conference would be a step down, and I doubt any FBS schools were offering head coaching positions. USD was the right choice for his family and career. You asked about the last time a D1 moved within conference, Steve Sarkisian comes to mind. Pulled Washington out of the dumps then went to USC in 2014. I can't think of even one other example though. It's also important to remember Nielsen was hired by an AD who was only liked by himself and was fired shortly after i would have had a lot more respect for Bob if he had just been straight up what else would you expect from someone who basically felt like the Alumni didn't deserve any of his time Bob is a good coach but i've seen dead cats with more personality good coach who's personality just wasn't right for Western and he is the second WIU football coach to leave for a conference foe. I can respect this is a very personal topic for some WIU people. A lot of your fans have came on here mentioning Bob has no personality, he was not that good of a coach, his teams play no defense, and that you were happy he left. Guess what? We are thrilled to have him. He has done an amazing job so far at USD. Everyone I talk to likes Bob and his entire staff. Not one person at USD has said anything about his "personality". It sounds like WIU got what they wanted and so did USD. So why be so upset about it? This isnt a video game. It's real life. He did what was best for him and his family. But I do not have one bit of doubt that he truly cared/cares about everyone he left behind at WIU. Even after the cold remarks that have followed him. |
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