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Post by Yotes on Sept 25, 2017 22:02:13 GMT -6
Opening line I saw earlier today had WIU favored by 3. Checked again and USD is favored by 1. That's quite the move. Where? Only place I know where to find FCS lines, aside from the local bookie's USD line (that one doesn't move though). |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 25, 2017 22:07:19 GMT -6
The revenge tour continues this week. We avenged the UND loss with a vengeance, time to do the same against WIU. Up 31-14 at half last year, every single thing went WIU's way in the 2nd half to result in a 1 point loss. With all the improvements this year I can't help but think we get out to a big lead in the first half...and then hold it this time! I'm calling for another big victory for these dominant Yotes.
Yotes 42 Leathernecks 17
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 25, 2017 22:09:31 GMT -6
Might as well list all the MVFC spreads while we are at it.
Missouri State +36.5 at NDSU
South Dakota -1 at Western Illinois - that shows a ton of respect for SD football in such a short time frame.
SDSU -1.5 at Youngstown State
Northern Iowa -4.5 at Southern Illinois - might want to put a buck or two on S. Illinois there
Indiana State +16 at Illinois State - I would take the points and the Sycamores to lose but cover.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 26, 2017 7:47:35 GMT -6
I agree with those lines. I was looking through the MVFC stats: stats.ncaa.org/rankings/ranking_summary(just set it for MVFC and you can compare all the teams' stats) WILL and USD are almost mirror-images, stat-wise. The one that worries me is penalties. We have been more penalized, plus home-field advantage. I'll still take the Yotes, but it could easily go either way. Same with SDSU and YSU. Like a mirror. The Rabbits pass better/ YSU defends the pass better. etc. I'll take the Penguins mainly because of their rushing offense and home field. |
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Post by BarnWinterSportsEngelstad on Sept 26, 2017 8:36:49 GMT -6
Your 2nd big pay back with a 34 to 21 win. Chris Streveler 2 B D difference maker. I sense a little bit of a let down, this game really should be a SD 20 point win. You play very well the rest of the season.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 26, 2017 17:58:51 GMT -6
Here is how the opponents of Western Illinois have done
at (0-4) Tennessee Tech W 41-14, Ten Tech opponents Lost to Kennesaw State, Lost to Ball State, Lost to Eastern Kentucky
at (1-2) Northern Arizona W 38-20, N Ariz opponents Lost at Arizona, Won at Cal Poly
at (1-2) Coastal Carolina W 52-10, C Car opponents Won vs U-Mass, lost at UAB
I wouldn't say that Western Illinois' opponents are exactly lighting the world on fire either. Obviously by far their best performance was against Coastal Carolina. The Coyotes have played well in all 3 games as has WIU.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 27, 2017 20:26:20 GMT -6
For any Western Illinois fans has Bob Nielson always run a no huddle hurry up offense during his tenure in Macomb or did he switch up his offense depending on his personnel. I seem to remember Western running a power set when they had that really good big back a couple of years ago. Just curious because it seems like he is a real adaptable coach.
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Post by stlawson on Sept 27, 2017 21:01:29 GMT -6
For any Western Illinois fans has Bob Nielson always run a no huddle hurry up offense during his tenure in Macomb or did he switch up his offense depending on his personnel. I seem to remember Western running a power set when they had that really good big back a couple of years ago. Just curious because it seems like he is a real adaptable coach. I don't really remember him running much other than the no huddle (my memory isn't great though). It's possible they did something different every now and then, but for the most part, they'd have a plan, get set, look to the sideline for changes, then run it. Normally they'd end up using the full play clock to get going (would often lead to delay of game penalties), but every now and then they'd speed it up and move down the field pretty quickly if they needed to. The RB you're thinking of was Nikko Watson, I believe: goleathernecks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=14199&path=football |
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Sept 27, 2017 21:06:18 GMT -6
For any Western Illinois fans has Bob Nielson always run a no huddle hurry up offense during his tenure in Macomb or did he switch up his offense depending on his personnel. I seem to remember Western running a power set when they had that really good big back a couple of years ago. Just curious because it seems like he is a real adaptable coach. I don't really remember him running much other than the no huddle (my memory isn't great though). It's possible they did something different every now and then, but for the most part, they'd have a plan, get set, look to the sideline for changes, then run it. Normally they'd end up using the full play clock to get going (would often lead to delay of game penalties), but every now and then they'd speed it up and move down the field pretty quickly if they needed to. The RB you're thinking of was Nikko Watson, I believe: goleathernecks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=14199&path=footballPretty sure he always ran a no huddle but it was at a little slow pace with Nikko |
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Post by western101 on Sept 27, 2017 22:10:12 GMT -6
Really? your source on prediction of win loss is 5dimes? They now shit about FCS football. I love that they exist because they cater to chumps (like me).
For those that do not know. 5dimes is not operated in territorial United States. Ummm because it't against federal law. But, not International law, Yes I'm ashamed I bet $100 USD on the UNLV game in 2013 for WIU to cover whatever the points were. They looked really good the week before against Minnesota. I lost, I didn't get paid. Also I think I paid more like $120 to make the bet, yup, not legal, they make the rules, I fully expect they would have paid. I have no Idea, I did it one time and lost.
My point is their line shifts based on chumps that want to bet on it. I promise you they always get their cut.
Maybe USD should stop laying bets on 5dimes.
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Post by western101 on Sept 27, 2017 23:11:08 GMT -6
My earlier post was rash, 5dimes caters to those who want to bet on everything underneath the sun. Actually more people wager on anything in the UK than here. The fact that adding D-IFCS was perfect. Fing bloaks don't know the difference between Western Michigan and Western Illinois. Yes someone with an Idea sets the line, but how it goes is anybodies guess. 5dimes will reserves the right till start of game to change the over/under. So they are just following initial expectations and then on which side the money rolls in they use many (I imagine) actuaries and computer models. 5dimes is following the money not the reality.
BTW awesome movie is "The Big Short"
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 27, 2017 23:42:37 GMT -6
One thing I have noticed is that many of the Western Illinois fans on this board or AGS always shoot down any advantage USD may have in the game and prop up any advantage they may have. On a neutral field these teams look very even right now but what I don't understand is the whole motivation angle. Most Necks fans say they have the intangibles but last time USD played a revenge game was last time they took the field. I already forgot how that one went.
One factor that I see many opposing fans making about the Coyotes that just hasn't held any water so far is that they all think they have a better defense then SD. Last year "yes", so far this year it has been a resounding "no". Will that hold true against WIU? Who knows but I don't think anyone should assume they have an advantage on the D end just yet until it has been proven true. Another misnomer is about the strength of schedule being weaker for the Coyotes but WIU's opponents records haven't exactly been something to write home about. One factor that has been true for the most part over the last year in games is that USD gets out to a fast starts. Last year they were blowing those leads. So far this year they have been doing a better job in managing those leads. If the Coyotes get out early again both teams know what happened last year with the come back. That is something Western can draw from but that is something that the Coyotes will be very motivated from. It is still early in the season for both teams but A's go out to both so far. I don't know the specifics about Western but if the Coyotes can just draw even at the LOS with WIU I like the skilled position players that the Yotes can throw out. I am sure Western has that too but as I said if the Coyotes can hold the LOS to a draw I like the Coyotes because of Streveler, the recievers and the secondary which I think are big strengths of this Coyote team.
One factor that I also think needs to be brought up is not just that the Coyotes didn't only just beat the #10 team in the country (although that was obviously an over rated ranking) but they smashed them. I don't really care much what happened after halftime in that game but what stands out to me is that when both team's spirits were high and UND's confidence high prior to them being morally defeated USD put up 400 yards on them at half time. The half where the game was still in the balance and the half that UND was a better team then they are today. I think for the most part USD's defense has definitely played up to their full capability but I still don't think the offense has played their best game yet. Don't get me wrong they have played well just not full cylinders well. I think there is still room for improvement yet.
Another thing I have failed to hear mentioned is that the Coyotes have double the time to get ready for this game then does WIU. I think that factor evens out the home field advantage factor that WIU has. I don't know about in college but in the NFL a team coming off a bye week generally does pretty good after that bye.
Most people expect a really good game. If one team wins this by 2 or more touchdowns then that team will be one to seriously be reckoned with going forward. If you consider just the overall impressiveness of both team not factoring in any pre-season biases these two teams legitimately might both be top 5 teams. It's almost unfair that both have to play each other because a damn good team is going to lose this football game.
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Sept 28, 2017 4:07:24 GMT -6
One thing I have noticed is that many of the Western Illinois fans on this board or AGS always shoot down any advantage USD may have in the game and prop up any advantage they may have. On a neutral field these teams look very even right now but what I don't understand is the whole motivation angle. Most Necks fans say they have the intangibles but last time USD played a revenge game was last time they took the field. I already forgot how that one went. One factor that I see many opposing fans making about the Coyotes that just hasn't held any water so far is that they all think they have a better defense then SD. Last year "yes", so far this year it has been a resounding "no". Will that hold true against WIU? Who knows but I don't think anyone should assume they have an advantage on the D end just yet until it has been proven true. Another misnomer is about the strength of schedule being weaker for the Coyotes but WIU's opponents records haven't exactly been something to write home about. One factor that has been true for the most part over the last year in games is that USD gets out to a fast starts. Last year they were blowing those leads. So far this year they have been doing a better job in managing those leads. If the Coyotes get out early again both teams know what happened last year with the come back. That is something Western can draw from but that is something that the Coyotes will be very motivated from. It is still early in the season for both teams but A's go out to both so far. I don't know the specifics about Western but if the Coyotes can just draw even at the LOS with WIU I like the skilled position players that the Yotes can throw out. I am sure Western has that too but as I said if the Coyotes can hold the LOS to a draw I like the Coyotes because of Streveler, the recievers and the secondary which I think are big strengths of this Coyote team. One factor that I also think needs to be brought up is not just that the Coyotes didn't only just beat the #10 team in the country (although that was obviously an over rated ranking) but they smashed them. I don't really care much what happened after halftime in that game but what stands out to me is that when both team's spirits were high and UND's confidence high prior to them being morally defeated USD put up 400 yards on them at half time. The half where the game was still in the balance and the half that UND was a better team then they are today. I think for the most part USD's defense has definitely played up to their full capability but I still don't think the offense has played their best game yet. Don't get me wrong they have played well just not full cylinders well. I think there is still room for improvement yet. Another thing I have failed to hear mentioned is that the Coyotes have double the time to get ready for this game then does WIU. I think that factor evens out the home field advantage factor that WIU has. I don't know about in college but in the NFL a team coming off a bye week generally does pretty good after that bye. Most people expect a really good game. If one team wins this by 2 or more touchdowns then that team will be one to seriously be reckoned with going forward. If you consider just the overall impressiveness of both team not factoring in any pre-season biases these two teams legitimately might both be top 5 teams. It's almost unfair that both have to play each other because a damn good team is going to lose this football game. Of course WIU fans are going to talk about the areas were they have the advantages just like thats what USD fans do. Last time WIU played a revenge game they won by 52 pts as far as strength of schedule neither team has played anyone who is going to light the world on fire. I personally think these are the 3rd and 4th best team behind NDSU and SDSU but possibly 2nd and 3rd this week will tell me a lot about the valley and if I'm right about a team like YSU who I think is way overrated |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 28, 2017 6:29:57 GMT -6
My earlier post was rash, 5dimes caters to those who want to bet on everything underneath the sun. Actually more people wager on anything in the UK than here. The fact that adding D-IFCS was perfect. Fing bloaks don't know the difference between Western Michigan and Western Illinois. Yes someone with an Idea sets the line, but how it goes is anybodies guess. 5dimes will reserves the right till start of game to change the over/under. So they are just following initial expectations and then on which side the money rolls in they use many (I imagine) actuaries and computer models. 5dimes is following the money not the reality. BTW awesome movie is "The Big Short" Don't attack the bookie, literally every gambling line is just a measure of the gambling population's perception. Bookie moves the line as best they can to get half the money on each side and then win no matter what. It's in absolutely no way a predictor of the final score, but a fun look at where people are putting their money. This week the money drastically favors the Coyotes as the line has moved 10 points in their favor. |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Sept 28, 2017 6:56:34 GMT -6
Really? your source on prediction of win loss is 5dimes? They now shit about FCS football. I love that they exist because they cater to chumps (like me). For those that do not know. 5dimes is not operated in territorial United States. Ummm because it't against federal law. But, not International law, Yes I'm ashamed I bet $100 USD on the UNLV game in 2013 for WIU to cover whatever the points were. They looked really good the week before against Minnesota. I lost, I didn't get paid. Also I think I paid more like $120 to make the bet, yup, not legal, they make the rules, I fully expect they would have paid. I have no Idea, I did it one time and lost. My point is their line shifts based on chumps that want to bet on it. I promise you they always get their cut. Maybe USD should stop laying bets on 5dimes. I don't think anyone is taking the betting line as an end all, it's just something interesting to see. You my friend had to pay the juice on a losing bet, which is standard but usually 10%, not 20%. The big short is a great movie, but what does it have to do with sports gambling? |
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