jackjd
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Post by jackjd on Oct 4, 2017 0:35:02 GMT -6
Honest question: Have you ever heard of an individual receiving their undergrad degree at USD and the going to State College for a graduate degree? I never have, but I've heard of plenty of bunny people who graduate in Brookings and then matriculate to Vermillion for an advanced degree. Why is that? [/quote] I can name quite a few who earned their undergrad degree at USD and a graduate degree at SDSU. I remember discussing this very topic when I was completing my undergrad degree at SDSU — the discussion was with a grad student who was assisting with the Jack’s track team. The grad student was Mack Butler. Mack had been an outstanding track performer at USD — you can do you own research and see how good he was. (Coincidently, when one of my sons ran cross country and track at SDSU, the grad assistant helping with the program was also a USD grad and former Coyote runner who obtained his Master’s degree at SDSU.) We may hear more about students with SDSU undergrad degrees going to grad school at USD because we maybe hear about the two obvious fields: law and medicine. But, if you look into the actual stats, the numbers of SDSU grads going to USD for law and medicine degrees is fairly small and not far off from the number of students with USD undergrad degrees going to SDSU for graduate degrees. Degrees USD undergrads will seek at SDSU include a few getting into the Pharmacy school for their PharmD degree, some obtaining an advanced degree in education and school administration, some obtaining higher degrees is biology and chemistry, and some obtaining their degrees in sports administration. Those are just a few examples. More significant questions being asked by administrators at USD focus on what can be done to attract more SDSU grads, particularly those with science degrees, to USD for graduate degrees (that comes directly from a USD Dean in a telephone conversation initiated by the dean). There is merit in having degrees from different institutions. It is concerning there’s been a drop in SDSU grads seeking law and medicine degrees from USD. SDSU’s top students seeking those degrees are now more likely to go out of state than they were 20 years ago. RELATED: This state can afford one law school and one medical school. Those schools have specific purposes which are vital to the development of this state. I’m very concerned about (and actively resisting) the potential of the loss of the South Dakota School of Law in Vermillion and having it move to Sioux Falls. I am disappointed there doesn’t seem to be a stronger response to keep the school in Vermillion. I encourage top SDSU undergrads interested in attending law school, to consider USD. The talk about moving the school out of Vermillion is not, in my opinion, beneficial to the School of Law or USD in general and doesn’t help this state retain some of its best students. . |
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Post by jackjd on Oct 4, 2017 0:47:36 GMT -6
I personally do not know of any. That would be like eating a steak dinner then having a stale poptart for dessert. Just doesn't make sense. To add to my prior post in which I responded to elcoyote’s honest question: I recognize fightsd is injecting some humor but you should realize such comments do nothing to help a bad situation. The question that should be seriously considered is why would a student who received an undergraduate degree at any institution in the state choose to not go to USD for a graduate degree. If there are those who find some accuracy in fightsd’s statement, then perhaps we have an answer to why some of the SDSU students I talked to last spring are planning on attending law school at the U of MN, UNL, Creighton, Iowa or other law schools in the region. If those students attended the South Dakota School of Law, their LSAT scores and undergrad grade points would raise the profile of the entering class at USD. That is what we are trying to accomplish for the Law School. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 4, 2017 7:10:14 GMT -6
I can name quite a few who earned their undergrad degree at USD and a graduate degree at SDSU. I remember discussing this very topic when I was completing my undergrad degree at SDSU — the discussion was with a grad student who was assisting with the Jack’s track team. The grad student was Mack Butler. Mack had been an outstanding track performer at USD — you can do you own research and see how good he was. (Coincidently, when one of my sons ran cross country and track at SDSU, the grad assistant helping with the program was also a USD grad and former Coyote runner who obtained his Master’s degree at SDSU.) We may hear more about students with SDSU undergrad degrees going to grad school at USD because we maybe hear about the two obvious fields: law and medicine. But, if you look into the actual stats, the numbers of SDSU grads going to USD for law and medicine degrees is fairly small and not far off from the number of students with USD undergrad degrees going to SDSU for graduate degrees. Degrees USD undergrads will seek at SDSU include a few getting into the Pharmacy school for their PharmD degree, some obtaining an advanced degree in education and school administration, some obtaining higher degrees is biology and chemistry, and some obtaining their degrees in sports administration. Those are just a few examples. More significant questions being asked by administrators at USD focus on what can be done to attract more SDSU grads, particularly those with science degrees, to USD for graduate degrees (that comes directly from a USD Dean in a telephone conversation initiated by the dean). There is merit in having degrees from different institutions. It is concerning there’s been a drop in SDSU grads seeking law and medicine degrees from USD. SDSU’s top students seeking those degrees are now more likely to go out of state than they were 20 years ago. RELATED: This state can afford one law school and one medical school. Those schools have specific purposes which are vital to the development of this state. I’m very concerned about (and actively resisting) the potential of the loss of the South Dakota School of Law in Vermillion and having it move to Sioux Falls. I am disappointed there doesn’t seem to be a stronger response to keep the school in Vermillion. I encourage top SDSU undergrads interested in attending law school, to consider USD. The talk about moving the school out of Vermillion is not, in my opinion, beneficial to the School of Law or USD in general and doesn’t help this state retain some of its best students. . I used to work graduate admissions at USD. We acted as a liaison for all graduate programs, except Law and Medicine. I can tell you that a ton of applications from SDSU grads came through. Your few examples of programs a USD grad would go north for are all offered at USD, I'm very skeptical that a noteworthy amount do so. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 4, 2017 7:16:06 GMT -6
I'm not sure how many students fit in their section but there's no way the Dome actually seats 10,000. They cut many seats to build the landing, never reduced the stated capacity. They put in new student bleachers, never changed the capacity. They added the Dome Club, never increased the capacity. Probably fair to say the admin has decided that they need a 5-figure number even if it's a lie.
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Post by usdtator on Oct 4, 2017 7:28:25 GMT -6
I make some games (usually 3 a year), but honestly it seems like I have so much going on with weddings of close friends and family events during the fall. Now is the time for our fan base to get more into the atmosphere and games. There is a great base of fans who never miss a game, fans like me who cannot make a lot of games but follow along very closely, and the fair-weather fans. I have to miss DDays this year because I am in a wedding, of two USD grads! I am focusing on this tidbit you posted about weddings... baffles me why anyone would schedule a wedding in the Fall...? ALL of my family and my close friends know that Fall is for college football. IF... you are stupid enough to schedule a Fall wedding... AND you want me in attendance... you'd better check the Yote football schedule because I am NOT coming on a day the Yotes are at home. My wife went to two weddings last Fall of family members from her side on Saturdays when the Yotes were home. I didn't go with her. She was supportive because she knows my position on Fall weddings, but my mother-in-law was upset that I would miss a wedding for a football game. I told her long ago when my wife and I first started dating that Fall is for football, not weddings. Oh well... she has since gotten over it. Interestingly enough, my wife's family are all Fusker fans and they scheduled their weddings around the Fusker home game schedules, but I was supposed to change my plans because the Yotes were at home? My oldest boy (now 12) insisted that he needed to be at the Yote games too!!! Love that boy!!! I don't miss a home Yote game for anything!!! |
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Post by yotefan on Oct 4, 2017 7:36:24 GMT -6
RELATED: This state can afford one law school and one medical school. Those schools have specific purposes which are vital to the development of this state. I’m very concerned about (and actively resisting) the potential of the loss of the South Dakota School of Law in Vermillion and having it move to Sioux Falls. I am disappointed there doesn’t seem to be a stronger response to keep the school in Vermillion. I encourage top SDSU undergrads interested in attending law school, to consider USD. The talk about moving the school out of Vermillion is not, in my opinion, beneficial to the School of Law or USD in general and doesn’t help this state retain some of its best students. .
JackJD, good to have you back on the board. You are spot on about the law school. Moving from Vermillion to Sioux Falls under the notion of bringing in higher quality students and better faculty is misguided to say the least. Doing so for the sake of "providing more professional development opportunities" is equally misguided as those opportunities are and always will be available each summer not just in Sioux Falls, but across South Dakota. During the year, students should be too busy for an internship given the opportunities already available through boards like law review and moot court, grad assistantships, volunteer organizations, and joint degree programs. The law school has served SD well for over a hundred years in Vermillion and produced hundreds of fantastic attorneys during this time. There are only so many law schools in the country and if a student or professor doesn't wish to learn or teach in Vermillion, move along to the next candidate is what I say. While USD law is not for everyone, it is rooted in the mission of educating South Dakota's future lawyers who will stay and practice law while making a home in this state. Sure there is space for out of state students to come and get an education and leave, but OUR focus should remain on educating the future leaders of OUR legal community and not catering to the future leaders of some other state. As an attorney I have talked with many folks in the legal community who are not pleased with how this whole thing has been handled. The USD football team has taken care of the ball well this year, but the University and the Law School fumbled this one miserably.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 4, 2017 7:47:41 GMT -6
Honest question: Have you ever heard of an individual receiving their undergrad degree at USD and the going to State College for a graduate degree? I never have, but I've heard of plenty of bunny people who graduate in Brookings and then matriculate to Vermillion for an advanced degree. Why is that? School...Undergrads....Postgrads......endowment......# UG programs...#PG programs USD......7,435............2,536...........$214 millon.......202...................66 SDSU...10,844...........1,745...........$105 millon.......137...................38 The simple answer: we have more robust graduate schools, and more research dollars. The construction of the new research park in Sioux Falls will only enhance that. That is the real way to grow your University. Research and endowment money will always dwarf the money athletic programs bring in. That's why I'm bullish on USD's future. Abbot is a big reason for that, as well. On the other hand, school spirit and loyalty is usually formed more strongly among undergrads, so State has that advantage.... for now. |
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Post by sportschic on Oct 4, 2017 8:20:51 GMT -6
Yotes I got a question? When they finish the renovations to he dome is that going to add seats? Do you know any inside scoop on renovation? I hear so many different versions. Is it true they are going to do the football locker room? Tha really needs an upgrade to be comparable to the other d1 schools. I know all the other USD facilities are top notch in the FCS.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 4, 2017 8:30:58 GMT -6
I make some games (usually 3 a year), but honestly it seems like I have so much going on with weddings of close friends and family events during the fall. Now is the time for our fan base to get more into the atmosphere and games. There is a great base of fans who never miss a game, fans like me who cannot make a lot of games but follow along very closely, and the fair-weather fans. I have to miss DDays this year because I am in a wedding, of two USD grads! I am focusing on this tidbit you posted about weddings... baffles me why anyone would schedule a wedding in the Fall...? ALL of my family and my close friends know that Fall is for college football. IF... you are stupid enough to schedule a Fall wedding... AND you want me in attendance... you'd better check the Yote football schedule because I am NOT coming on a day the Yotes are at home. My wife went to two weddings last Fall of family members from her side on Saturdays when the Yotes were home. I didn't go with her. She was supportive because she knows my position on Fall weddings, but my mother-in-law was upset that I would miss a wedding for a football game. I told her long ago when my wife and I first started dating that Fall is for football, not weddings. Oh well... she has since gotten over it. Interestingly enough, my wife's family are all Fusker fans and they scheduled their weddings around the Fusker home game schedules, but I was supposed to change my plans because the Yotes were at home? My oldest boy (now 12) insisted that he needed to be at the Yote games too!!! Love that boy!!! I don't miss a home Yote game for anything!!! Nailed it about fall weddings. I read the original post and came away from it asking if the OP needed a different set of friends. OP, you have USD grads who don't care about USD athletics, worse yet are traitorous and cheer for the Bunnies. The type of people that schedule a fall wedding, and on top of that, two USD grads who schedule a wedding on D-Days?  Blasphemy!!! Even if they don't care about Coyote athletics I have never heard of a USD student or grad who doesn't care about D-Days. The whole thing, it makes no sense. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 4, 2017 8:35:09 GMT -6
JackJD, good to have you back on the board. You are spot on about the law school. Moving from Vermillion to Sioux Falls under the notion of bringing in higher quality students and better faculty is misguided to say the least. Doing so for the sake of "providing more professional development opportunities" is equally misguided as those opportunities are and always will be available each summer not just in Sioux Falls, but across South Dakota. During the year, students should be too busy for an internship given the opportunities already available through boards like law review and moot court, grad assistantships, volunteer organizations, and joint degree programs. The law school has served SD well for over a hundred years in Vermillion and produced hundreds of fantastic attorneys during this time. There are only so many law schools in the country and if a student or professor doesn't wish to learn or teach in Vermillion, move along to the next candidate is what I say. While USD law is not for everyone, it is rooted in the mission of educating South Dakota's future lawyers who will stay and practice law while making a home in this state. Sure there is space for out of state students to come and get an education and leave, but OUR focus should remain on educating the future leaders of OUR legal community and not catering to the future leaders of some other state. As an attorney I have talked with many folks in the legal community who are not pleased with how this whole thing has been handled. The USD football team has taken care of the ball well this year, but the University and the Law School fumbled this one miserably. Is the Law School for sure leaving? I have heard there has been some considerable resistance and some really PO'd USD Law grads over this. Full disclosure, my wife is a USD Law grad. She is not, and I have not heard of any of her fellow grads, who are in support of moving the law school. |
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 4, 2017 8:38:16 GMT -6
Here is another comparison of post-grad degree programs: rankings. According to US News & World Report, here are the post-grad programs SDSU offers that are ranked in the top-200 in America: #70 Pharmacy #85 Doctorate of Nursing #108 Masters of Nursing #209 Biological Science Those are impressive programs for a small-population state! Here is USD's list: #57 Audiology #58 Occupational Therapy #70 Physician's Assistant #74 Medicine (Primary Care) #86 Medicine (Research) #118 Physical Therapy #120 Education #130 Public Affairs #137 English #142 Law #147 Fine Arts #157 Clinical Psychology #163 Speech - Language Pathology #177 Social Work #181 Psychology #188 Biological Science  |
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 4, 2017 8:42:44 GMT -6
Yotes I got a question? When they finish the renovations to he dome is that going to add seats? Do you know any inside scoop on renovation? I hear so many different versions. Is it true they are going to do the football locker room? Tha really needs an upgrade to be comparable to the other d1 schools. I know all the other USD facilities are top notch in the FCS. There is a thread regarding Dakota Dome renovations under the Facilities section of this board. |
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 4, 2017 8:51:31 GMT -6
Yotes I got a question? When they finish the renovations to he dome is that going to add seats? Do you know any inside scoop on renovation? I hear so many different versions. Is it true they are going to do the football locker room? Tha really needs an upgrade to be comparable to the other d1 schools. I know all the other USD facilities are top notch in the FCS. Nothing has come out recently, but here is what Herbster said about it back in February: volanteonline.com/2017/02/plans-30-million-renovation-dakotadome-works/ |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 13, 2017 21:01:42 GMT -6
Well I messed up my estimation of no more then 1500 on the west bleachers so I apologize for that. I counted the seats as there are numbers on the seats that can be seen from the east side of the field. I counted 1648 unless I made an error in my math. The numbers on those bleachers do not give a lot of wiggle room for the fans that sit in them. That would make the total capacity 7588 which I think is still on the long side. Just reporting my results from Saturday.
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 13, 2017 23:49:00 GMT -6
Well I messed up my estimation of no more then 1500 on the west bleachers so I apologize for that. I counted the seats as there are numbers on the seats that can be seen from the east side of the field. I counted 1648 unless I made an error in my math. The numbers on those bleachers do not give a lot of wiggle room for the fans that sit in them. That would make the total capacity 7588 which I think is still on the long side. Just reporting my results from Saturday. I certainly will sleep better tonight knowing that we have you on duty as attendance monitor. And to think that I spent last Saturday in the dome watching a football game...what could I have been thinking? |
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Blasphemy!!! Even if they don't care about Coyote athletics I have never heard of a USD student or grad who doesn't care about D-Days. The whole thing, it makes no sense.
