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Post by sportschic on Nov 5, 2017 7:33:57 GMT -6
I have a question if any one can elaborate... why is that Strevy isn’t using his legs as a weapon? That was a big part of our game him being a dual threat. The defense had to account for his ability to run and run well. It seems like that has been dormant the last few games. Yesterday he had plenty of room when he was scrambling to run forward and he ran to the sideline looking to pass for too long. He is a dual threat type QB not a prostyle QB. Even on the option he is choosing not to run? Just curious what you all think.
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Post by golfingyote on Nov 5, 2017 7:52:18 GMT -6
Strev seems banged up to me-before the obvious play he came back to the sideline hobbling. Did we run a single zone read yesterday where he kept the ball? I’m thinking that was by design though.
Question- do we still get a Bye if we go L-W?
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Post by coyote70 on Nov 5, 2017 10:21:28 GMT -6
There are two ways to take a loss. One is to submit to negativity and squabble amongst ourselves about what might have been and who didn't do what to win. The other is to learn from a loss and do better next time. For the most part, this is a mental exercise. One leads to success, the other to failure.
At this point I think a "chip on our shoulder", confident, businesslike attitude is the one to take for the team. I think the team (and fans) will be fine if we play up to our capability. Simply put: if we WANT To, we can beat both teams on our remaining schedule. Let's not sell ourselves short.
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Nov 5, 2017 13:49:56 GMT -6
I watched most of the second half yesterday and i personally felt like USD would have been better with Simmons UNI just didn't have to worry about Streveler beating them with his legs which when he is right makes him such a treat that's just my personal opinion.
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Post by sportschic on Nov 5, 2017 14:27:14 GMT -6
I agree leatherneck...we got this far by him being a dual threat. It’s what has gotten them to where they are. If UNI would have had to worry about him running they would of had to adjust their defensive scheme which would make the defense susceptible to big plays from our receivers. Looking ahead to NDSU we cannot be one dimensional.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 5, 2017 14:30:44 GMT -6
I watched most of the second half yesterday and i personally felt like USD would have been better with Simmons UNI just didn't have to worry about Streveler beating them with his legs which when he is right makes him such a treat that's just my personal opinion. I am not sure about that. This offense when it is clicking is just as much about the cerebral aspect of running it and Chris is simply ahead of Simmons at this point. If we had seen more of Simmons running the offense successfully like it should be run then maybe, but when he was in there the Coyotes were either just not clicking or purposely running it much different then when Streveler runs it. That kind of brings up a point that we are going to have to think of moving forward. The Coyotes are going to have to learn to run this offense with a QB such as Simmons that is a decent runner but not the type of threat that Streveler is. So far without the threat of a running quarterback the Coyote offense has been quite a bit different. I would rather see an offense that has a QB that is an expert at the running of the offense more so then being a running threat but obviously both is a luxury. I would rather we have a featured back that is a bell cow and can really carry the load. We have been very spoiled with Steveler at full health. He has been so good at running the offense from a mental stand point. His running is a bonus and when you combine his mental ability, his running ability and his passing ability it makes for nightmares for the defense that Simmons at this point cannot match. The biggest hope for the Coyotes is that Streveler is able to be at full strength. We all know that he had/has a shoulder issue but it seems like now something with his legs or feet are hurting. |
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Post by obc on Nov 5, 2017 14:45:42 GMT -6
I watched most of the second half yesterday and i personally felt like USD would have been better with Simmons UNI just didn't have to worry about Streveler beating them with his legs which when he is right makes him such a treat that's just my personal opinion. I am not sure about that. This offense when it is clicking is just as much about the cerebral aspect of running it and Chris is simply ahead of Simmons at this point. If we had seen more of Simmons running the offense successfully like it should be run then maybe, but when he was in there the Coyotes were either just not clicking or purposely running it much different then when Streveler runs it. That kind of brings up a point that we are going to have to think of moving forward. The Coyotes are going to have to learn to run this offense with a QB such as Simmons that is a decent runner but not the type of threat that Streveler is. So far without the threat of a running quarterback the Coyote offense has been quite a bit different. I would rather see an offense that has a QB that is an expert at the running of the offense more so then being a running threat but obviously both is a luxury. I would rather we have a featured back that is a bell cow and can really carry the load. We have been very spoiled with Steveler at full health. He has been so good at running the offense from a mental stand point. His running is a bonus and when you combine his mental ability, his running ability and his passing ability it makes for nightmares for the defense that Simmons at this point cannot match. The biggest hope for the Coyotes is that Streveler is able to be at full strength. We all know that he had/has a shoulder issue but it seems like now something with his legs or feet are hurting. I like the depth that USD is building in every position to prepare themselves for a day when they perhaps do not have a top 10 FCS athlete playing QB. A player like Streveler, when playing well, can hide a lot of other weaknesses. During the D1 transition prior to joining the MVFC - USD had two very good QBs in Noah Shepherd and Dante Warren. Their high level play really hid some weaknesses and when the team lost them at the helm, the weaknesses really showed up. What I like about what this staff has been able to do is build a team that can play even when their best player is out. Yesterday with Streveler reduced to a more immobile pocket passer, the rest of the team was able to play well. Defense played great, the OL played well overall against a very good defense. This staff is building a program that can have some durability IMO. That is contrasted to a team that is a flash in the pan due to signing one difference maker player. We will know for sure next year when Streveler is no longer at the helm and one of the other QBs steps in to take that role. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 5, 2017 14:58:56 GMT -6
I do think Shepherd was good but I thought Warren was mediocre. There is one big difference between then and now. The Coyotes are mainly winning with Streveler and they were losing with the other two. When it comes to a quarterback much is judged with them on their win loss record and fairly so. I think the coaching is much better now then it has ever been in the D1 era so that is an advantage Chris does have.
I thought Chris played well yesterday except for the interception in the end zone. I thought the play calling was more of a factor in the loss because it lost it's aggressiveness. Much of the reason for Streveler's second INT was because I think by that point the Coyotes got into panic mode and were kind of forced to throw the football and when that happens the defense becomes much more effective. It was not a good decision by Chris but I do think the wild nature of the UNI come back had much to do with forcing the Coyotes into a very uncomfortable situation where they would tend to do things they normally don't do. Eventhough that was damaging I can actually forgive that one more then the one in the end zone where the Coyotes would have been in a commanding position. The tide turned with the first interception but the second was just the finishing touch after the mo had already completely changed.
OBC I agree with you 100% that having a great player like Chris can definitely hide other weaknesses. Sometimes it is not known whether there are weaknesses either. When Simmons does take over (assuming by that time he is definitely the guy) his success or lack there of will be his decision making ability more then anything else. That should come with more experience in live games.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 5, 2017 18:22:44 GMT -6
Made it back from Cedar Falls. I've visited the city many times but this was the first time I've ever been in the UNI Dome. I had known the Dakota Dome was built with heavy inspiration from the UNI Dome, but it was still a bit bizarre when I got in there and saw the many parallels. They've even got the same maddeningly narrow concourse that we do. Still, I came away appreciating our Dome more than I had before. We may have taken their blueprint but they could learn a few things from what we've done since.
Very disappointed to see the team lose. Just take care of the ball like we have done nearly all season and that would have been a comfortable victory. I thought the defense had an incredible game. The turnovers left them in a tough spot sometimes but still held them to less than 300 yards and 27 points. D-line got good pressure, and allowing just 55 rushing yards is usually going to mean a victory.
The offense gave this one away though. Fumbles, interceptions, having to settle for a FG in the red zone 3 times. Correct any one of those three and it's a victory. The team needs to learn what they did wrong and correct it for a big trip to Fargo. A win still puts us in a tie for 1st in the conference. Two more wins and we still probably get a top 8 seed. There's a lot more than pride at stake in these final two games, and I'm thrilled that I can finally say that.
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Post by fightsd on Nov 5, 2017 18:50:43 GMT -6
I do think Shepherd was good but I thought Warren was mediocre. There is one big difference between then and now. The Coyotes are mainly winning with Streveler and they were losing with the other two. When it comes to a quarterback much is judged with them on their win loss record and fairly so. I think the coaching is much better now then it has ever been in the D1 era so that is an advantage Chris does have. I thought Chris played well yesterday except for the interception in the end zone. I thought the play calling was more of a factor in the loss because it lost it's aggressiveness. Much of the reason for Streveler's second INT was because I think by that point the Coyotes got into panic mode and were kind of forced to throw the football and when that happens the defense becomes much more effective. It was not a good decision by Chris but I do think the wild nature of the UNI come back had much to do with forcing the Coyotes into a very uncomfortable situation where they would tend to do things they normally don't do. Eventhough that was damaging I can actually forgive that one more then the one in the end zone where the Coyotes would have been in a commanding position. The tide turned with the first interception but the second was just the finishing touch after the mo had already completely changed. OBC I agree with you 100% that having a great player like Chris can definitely hide other weaknesses. Sometimes it is not known whether there are weaknesses either. When Simmons does take over (assuming by that time he is definitely the guy) his success or lack there of will be his decision making ability more then anything else. That should come with more experience in live games. Seemed to me like the turning point in the game was the sliding first down catch that the back judge decided he would call incomplete. Don't get me started on the reviews.... But that was the point where I felt the tides turn. The interceptions and the late fumble all happened after, in my opinion, the momentum shifted and the coyotes started to panic |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 5, 2017 19:41:37 GMT -6
I agree that the catch was a bad break and the Henry fumble was a bad break but the Coyotes didn't react well to the breaks against them and good teams need to over come that stuff. That was not part of the self destruction but the first interception was. The game could have been put away earlier but once the Coyotes pulled off the gas they allowed UNI to stay in the game and then the disaster happened.
If you want to talk about officiating deciding a game go no further then the semi-final tourney loss for basketball against SDSU. The officials completely changed the way that game played out by calling 11 straight fouls against the favored team in that game. 11 straight.
I will say this though. USD needs to send a letter of complaint to the league office regarding those two calls as both were handled very poorly by the officials. The catch seemed to be called good by all officials but the one trying to be a hero. There was absolutely nothing in the replay that suggested the ball hit the turf. How can an official just assume that it did. If you are calling a game and cannot tell whether the receiver made a good catch you have to give it to him, especially when all other officials disagreed with you. On the fumble I don't have a problem with the call on the field because it was a bang bang play and could have been missed by many officials. My problem was with how they handled the replay. I have never seen such a quick decision made on such a close play. I think on TV they slowed it down a bit but they didn't slow it frame by frame. I think if they would have had the proper ability the officials could have seen that. Maybe the UNI video didn't do anything to help the officials see that it may have not been a fumble. I don't know how that works.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 5, 2017 20:03:52 GMT -6
I do think Shepherd was good but I thought Warren was mediocre. There is one big difference between then and now. The Coyotes are mainly winning with Streveler and they were losing with the other two. When it comes to a quarterback much is judged with them on their win loss record and fairly so. I think the coaching is much better now then it has ever been in the D1 era so that is an advantage Chris does have. I thought Chris played well yesterday except for the interception in the end zone. I thought the play calling was more of a factor in the loss because it lost it's aggressiveness. Much of the reason for Streveler's second INT was because I think by that point the Coyotes got into panic mode and were kind of forced to throw the football and when that happens the defense becomes much more effective. It was not a good decision by Chris but I do think the wild nature of the UNI come back had much to do with forcing the Coyotes into a very uncomfortable situation where they would tend to do things they normally don't do. Eventhough that was damaging I can actually forgive that one more then the one in the end zone where the Coyotes would have been in a commanding position. The tide turned with the first interception but the second was just the finishing touch after the mo had already completely changed. OBC I agree with you 100% that having a great player like Chris can definitely hide other weaknesses. Sometimes it is not known whether there are weaknesses either. When Simmons does take over (assuming by that time he is definitely the guy) his success or lack there of will be his decision making ability more then anything else. That should come with more experience in live games. Seemed to me like the turning point in the game was the sliding first down catch that the back judge decided he would call incomplete. Don't get me started on the reviews.... But that was the point where I felt the tides turn. The interceptions and the late fumble all happened after, in my opinion, the momentum shifted and the coyotes started to panic Watching the replay on the video board I thought it looked like the ball hit the ground. We totally caught a break on a fumble earlier in the game driving into their red zone that the officials decided they wouldn't review. The crowd was livid. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 6, 2017 9:34:23 GMT -6
I was able to watch this game sparingly on my phone via ESPN3 and then caught the radio call when I was in the car since I was on the road in Chicago Saturday. First thought, turnovers kill. Just cannot have that many turnovers. My second thought, I started to worry and knew we were in trouble in the first half when we had drives into the red zone that petered out. Turn those early drives into TDs and this game would have been over before it started.
We've really put ourselves in the corner now. Not saying we can't win in Fargo but think about this, when was the last time NDSU lost two games in a row? Then we get SDSU to finish the season. I think the powers that be have to do something about breaking up the scheduling in this conference for the Dakota teams and UNI. We all have to run the gauntlet of playing each other right at the end of the year. The league office would be better off spacing the games out between the contenders and the others. YSU faced the same type of gauntlet mid season, it would have been better to have those games spaced out too. Of course, how do you space out YSU, ISUr, NDSU, SDSU, WIU, let's face it, the entire conference is a grind.
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Post by easmus on Nov 6, 2017 9:50:27 GMT -6
USD hosts NDSU end of October next season before traveling to Indy st, then home against Western then at SDSU. That is “better.”
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Post by nccyote on Nov 6, 2017 10:56:42 GMT -6
Don't the Coyotes still control their own destiny in regards to the MVFC title? Win out and we win the conference, no? if we win the next 2 the conference records will most likely look this this:
USD 9-2 (6-2)
NDSU 9-2 (6-2)
SDSU 7-4 (5-3)
WIU 7-4 (5-3)
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