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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 10, 2019 7:25:25 GMT -6
St. Thomas would be a good get for the Summit, but it would take about a decade for them to transition to D1. Who knows what will all transpire in that time?
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 10, 2019 7:34:38 GMT -6
Gaskins: Have there been any formal or informal discussions with officials from UMKC about the possibility of comming back?Douple: I'll say this: They went through a study, for maybe two years, to determine if they wanted to stay D-I, go D-II, or even if they wanted to still have athletics. After that study, they made a determination they would stay D-I, and were also gonna turn this thing around. So they've hired a new AD. They've also hired a new Chancellor, and a bunch of new staff in the Athletic Department for marketing and development. So I think they've made a better commitment. The thing about that University, they have a law school, a pharmacy school. It's a great academic institution in a great town. It's a numbers game for recruiting. They have a lot of high schools there, so a lot of our folks (Summit Coaches) used to like to go down in that area for recruiting purposes. There's interest, obviously, for us... They were with us for 18 years.... All of their budget and their administrative time is spent on Summit League (sponsored) sports. They don't have those off-shoots of hockey, or football, or wrestling, or anything else. They spend all their money on Summit League sports. And that's important. Gaskins: So they'd be welcome, if they decided to come back?Douple: Yeah. There's no doubt. That's been out there for a while. We said that when they left. Everyone's known that. They've known that.... Gaskins: Is there any indication of how much progress they have made, or the way they are leaning?Douple: Well, I think the AD's only been there for a couple months,... and their new Chancellor. So I can't really... I don't know who their Chancellor is, but... I'm sure it's gotta be looked at, I would think. The SLT and NCAA tournaments were going on when this interview aired, so it kinda went under the radar. This comment from Douple has been bothering me, though. Basically he admits that UMKC is welcome back any time, and he does a good job describing why they would be an attractive school for the Summit..... and then admits that he doesn't even know who the Chancellor is. I mean, a simple Google search would tell you that, but obviously it hasn't been a priority for him to know. That's been my criticism of Douple. A man without a plan. Either he just hasn't done the work on UMKC, or he is lying that they are an attractive school to add. I'd guess the former. I'd go further and say that his smart additions to the league were essentially lucked into, or prompted by entities other than him (Like Sanford Health). JMO |
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 10, 2019 7:52:12 GMT -6
St. Thomas would be a good get for the Summit, but it would take about a decade for them to transition to D1. Who knows what will all transpire in that time? This is true. There were recently some authors/posters that have suggested they could or should just bypass Division II, but they can't. Not without applying for some kind of exception. Here's an explanation from the NCAA. |
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 17, 2019 8:48:54 GMT -6
They could probably get the exception if the Summit were in a situation where they needed SThomas to maintain auto bids. Their hockey rink does not meet minimum seating standards and can’t be expanded. I haven’t heard how that could be solved.
Yote 53 was on another board with this comment:
The UND Big Sky fiasco turned into a travel cost nightmare. Our budgets just won’t accommodate those costs without some kind of off setting revenues. There is no place to earn these revenues outside of filling stadiums and media contracts. We are getting the best contracts we can get now. I think as growth continues we will reassemble an old NCC core before the BSC, MVFC & SUMMIT see the big schools split into the much ballyhooed FBS conference.
On this I do agree, our future is with our peers in our region and that includes the BSC. These are the schools where a majority of the OOC games should come.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 18, 2019 4:55:54 GMT -6
It seems Augie would be a better choice than UST. The Tommies sports look like UNDs. A full slate including hockey. UND and Bowling Green are the smallest budgets in the NCAA trying to field D1 hockey, football, basketball etc. Sounds unsound. Augie is ready to go except for the football question. If they dropped football they would be ready to go. In time The Summit May end up with both schools. The Tommies will be playing hockey at another more suitable arena and both could be in the Summit non scholarship football league yet to be formed. The Pioneer is widespread. Travel could be reduced by forming a Summit Division or form the Summit non scholarship as a new league. Drake Butler Valporaso St Thomas Augie UND? University Dayton? A new face from Wisconsin? University Mn Duluth? UND would be a geographical outlier. they have all the potential but it’s unlikely. You can see the Pioneers membership and history here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Football_League |
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 18, 2019 12:45:39 GMT -6
This was a comment today from Sioux Volly over at the SS in the conference realignment section. He is on top of the information but has a funny way of putting the pieces together. He hasn't been right about much if anything but has kept information like this coming.
I thought his comment about why isnt Douple pursuing them was funny. What he really means is why isnt Douple telling me who they are pursuing! After all, I don't think the conference plans are public plans.
I think he might be right about 1 thing so far. The next members of the Summit will come from the lower divisions. NCAA hockey Champions, UMD Bulldogs, may be a good prospect but I havent heard any news from them. Mankato is another good prospect. Both have football but some type of Pioneer arraignment might work or they might decide to dive in 100%. Hockey and their budget makes that unlikely.
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Post by easmus on Apr 22, 2019 11:33:56 GMT -6
Minnesota will not let any of those D2 schools playing hockey at D1 level move the rest of their sports to D1. It’s not in the cards.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 22, 2019 16:57:13 GMT -6
Interesting. Hadn’t heard that. I stopped by the bunny board and thought this was interesting too:
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Post by Yotes on Apr 22, 2019 20:27:11 GMT -6
Minnesota will not let any of those D2 schools playing hockey at D1 level move the rest of their sports to D1. It’s not in the cards. I don't think any of them remotely care to move up, but how would the U keep colleges like St Cloud or Mankato from moving? They're in two different university systems. |
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Post by easmus on Apr 23, 2019 9:02:51 GMT -6
I meant the state of Minnesota, not the university. My bad for not being clear.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 23, 2019 10:37:14 GMT -6
Maybe St Thomas could break through since they are private and can do whatever they want, but they're just going to stay D3 so it's a non starter.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 24, 2019 18:07:27 GMT -6
The MN D2 schools already have D1 hockey competing with the Gophers. They each have their curriculum in place too. I’m not sure what difference it would make to the University if they were D1 all sports or not. These cities are growing and the local markets are getting to the point where they can support the move.
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Post by easmus on Apr 24, 2019 20:07:10 GMT -6
The MN D2 schools already have D1 hockey competing with the Gophers. They each have their curriculum in place too. I’m not sure what difference it would make to the University if they were D1 all sports or not. These cities are growing and the local markets are getting to the point where they can support the move. It’s a state thing not a U of M thing. |
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Post by aldewitt on May 11, 2019 0:21:39 GMT -6
Yes, not as dramatic and for different reasons but UND was ushered out of the BSC.
The St Thomas situation is an example of a school outgrowing it’s station. In some cases like the Dakota Big 3, they recognized themselves they had a lot of unrealized potential. Augie feels the same way. They aren’t being asked to leave but, like the other Dakota schools Augie wants to capitalize on the potential of its own growing market.
As far as the Minnesota schools that could move to D1 I am not aware of any restrictions formal or informal that prevenets them from moving. The Gophers are all ready competing with all of them including hockey and in state recruits for all other sports. None have moved though so for the time being the situation suggests the rule is in place.
Mn is a totally corrupt state so even if there is a rule when the bribes come in they will move.
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Post by Yotes on May 11, 2019 7:16:52 GMT -6
So now you are quoting posts from other boards to rag on UND? Did they ban you or something? Seems likely as you keep spouting off opinions that have no base in reality. How exactly was UND ushered out of the Big Sky?
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