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Post by gopheryote on Sept 21, 2018 8:26:07 GMT -6
Bye-week, so I almost forgot, and may not do one next week...
1. ISUr – of the top two this week, both have 2 games, and both played pretty lousy teams at home. But I like their chances against CSU this week, and where the other one doesn’t play, so they get a future-SOS bump to #1 again.
2. SDSU – On the one hand, they have blown out their opponents. On the other hand, well, they played those opponents. No one really has any idea if they are legit T15, much less T3.
3. ISUb – Raise you hand if you had ISUb tied in the win column with the other 3 in the top 4 when forecasting the season.
4. NDSU – Come on NDSU. This schedule is ridiculously bad, and you were in a fight with a team that played D2 last year. I know you think you have a ‘GOAT’ team, but you are embarrassing yourself with this schedule.
5. MSU – Impressive win this week over Northern Arizona. Everything went MSU’s way, and they capitalized.
6. WIU – After looking pretty bad the first two weeks, WIU picked up what is probably the conference’s best win so far.
7. USD – I don’t think dropping to 7 is an over-reaction – the team that played @ Weber on Saturday wouldn't win many MVFC games. It is a fixable problem, but isn’t fixed yet.
8. SIU – That was a bad loss to SEMO. This spot is basically a tie with USD, and when they play next week we will see if either of them addressed the huge holes.
9.UNI – I think they are #9 in MVFC, but they are ranked #22 in the entire country? Hasn’t anyone else watched them play? Not great, Bob.
10. YSU – with MSU & ISUb having winning records, it will take a lot for YSU to climb out of the cellar. Just…Butler. SMH.
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Post by gopheryote on Sept 23, 2018 7:09:46 GMT -6
Was looking for something else, then found myself here some how. Anyway: SOS Rankings for MVFC teams Overall (FCS): Yotes - 96 (1) WIU - 111 (3) UNI - 114 (4) SIU - 162 (35) YSU - 181 (52) MSU - 186 (57) NDSU - 196 (67) ISUr - 207 (77) SDSU - 217 (86) ISUb - 221 (89)
Note there are 125 FCS teams ranked.
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Post by aldewitt on Sept 24, 2018 6:36:08 GMT -6
Bye-week, so I almost forgot, and may not do one next week... (77) 1. ISUr – of the top two this week, both have 2 games, and both played pretty lousy teams at home. But I like their chances against CSU this week, and where the other one doesn’t play, so they get a future-SOS bump to #1 again. (86) 2. SDSU – On the one hand, they have blown out their opponents. On the other hand, well, they played those opponents. No one really has any idea if they are legit T15, much less T3. (89) 3. ISUb – Raise you hand if you had ISUb tied in the win column with the other 3 in the top 4 when forecasting the season. (67) 4. NDSU – Come on NDSU. This schedule is ridiculously bad, and you were in a fight with a team that played D2 last year. I know you think you have a ‘GOAT’ team, but you are embarrassing yourself with this schedule. (57) 5. MSU – Impressive win this week over Northern Arizona. Everything went MSU’s way, and they capitalized. (3) 6. WIU – After looking pretty bad the first two weeks, WIU picked up what is probably the conference’s best win so far. (1) 7. USD – I don’t think dropping to 7 is an over-reaction – the team that played @ Weber on Saturday wouldn't win many MVFC games. It is a fixable problem, but isn’t fixed yet. (35) 8. SIU – That was a bad loss to SEMO. This spot is basically a tie with USD, and when they play next week we will see if either of them addressed the huge holes. (4) 9.UNI – I think they are #9 in MVFC, but they are ranked #22 in the entire country? Hasn’t anyone else watched them play? Not great, Bob. (52) 10. YSU – with MSU & ISUb having winning records, it will take a lot for YSU to climb out of the cellar. Just…Butler. SMH. Good write-up. ISUb, WIU and MSU were the most impressive to me this week too. YSU has indicated they are willing to replace one of them at the bottom. Biggest disappointment is USD. It was a let down game at Weber. Waiting to see if they can turn it around this week. Your being a little hard on NDSU but our impression of the league is certainly not colored by the SOS table you provided. It's almost inverted. I put the FCS SOS ranking in parentheses.
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Post by gopheryote on Sept 24, 2018 9:04:09 GMT -6
Your being a little hard on NDSU but our impression of the league is certainly not colored by the SOS table you provided. It's almost inverted. I put the FCS SOS ranking in parentheses. Well, that is interesting, isn't it? Those with cupcake schedules get wins (often blowouts) which results in high rankings - even when I was specifically trying not to do that.
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Post by JWKunzman on Sept 24, 2018 12:52:35 GMT -6
Was looking for something else, then found myself here some how. Anyway: SOS Rankings for MVFC teams Overall (FCS): Yotes - 96 (1) WIU - 111 (3) UNI - 114 (4) SIU - 162 (35) YSU - 181 (52) MSU - 186 (57) NDSU - 196 (67) ISUr - 207 (77) SDSU - 217 (86) ISUb - 221 (89) Note there are 125 FCS teams ranked. Do you know if the sdsu ranking takes the cancelled Iowa State game into account?
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 24, 2018 13:19:00 GMT -6
I'm wondering if having the toughest OOC in the country helps or hurts in the big picture. Some of the games scheduled by MVFC teams were an absolute joke. I would hope it would help if a playoff selection would come down to USD and another team with similar or even a slightly better record, but it obviously hurts in the won/loss department in general. Seems to me a lot of the playoff selection at the end comes down to politics which I don't trust at all. A big question might be that given the strength of the MVFC do we need to schedule as tough as we do? Weaker OOCs don't seem to hurt some teams at all. Western and UNI might be asking themselves the same question.
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Post by easmus on Sept 24, 2018 13:30:38 GMT -6
Same reason SEC refuses to play a 9 game league schedule. They figure their conference is hard enough. If you have 8 wins out of the MVFC then play cupcakes in OOC. You could argue USD is scheduling too difficult. If we go 5-3 in the MVFC we still won’t get in the playoffs this year. That’s a daunting task.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Sept 24, 2018 13:33:14 GMT -6
It's hurting us as of now. Lost to a FBS team and a top 10 team, but showing 1-2 is all many will look at while other teams are 3-0 or 2-1 against cream puffs. Win those games and Yotes are probably rated top 10. The MVFC slate this week should answer a lot of questions. Need to take care of SIU handily and USD will be ranked again. The problem is conferences with only 1 or 2 tough games all year will make playoffs with a 1 loss record because they play no one.
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Post by steelsd on Sept 24, 2018 16:13:47 GMT -6
It really appears that both SD schools are essentially scheduling their OOC games the same. One FBS payday game, one Big Sky game, and a creampuff play at home game. Now, I'm not sure if each school sets up their own Big Sky game or exactly how that works. But the recipe seems to be the game for both schools. I'm fairly certain that SDSU wasn't aware to the level of stink that UAPB would bring to the table when they scheduled them, but it was a mistake for sure. I'm hoping we take the HBCU's completely off our radar moving forward as that game was a joke. So the ultimate question becomes are the top MVFC schools going to schedule H/A's with the expected bottom part of the Big Sky and vice versa to prevent the scenario of coming into league play 1-2 and being a bit behind the 8 ball?
As for the comment about teams with 1 loss in bad conferences making playoffs, we have already seen the committee is willing to let in 6-5 MVFC teams because they recognize the grind that our conference is. Basically we are the Power 3 (with the CAA and Big Sky) where multiple teams are going to get in and the other conferences are going to have to settle for the champ being the lone representative. It does suck watching some of those teams get seeds while we get sent to beat each other, but that is what it is.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 24, 2018 16:38:25 GMT -6
I'm wondering if having the toughest OOC in the country helps or hurts in the big picture. Some of the games scheduled by MVFC teams were an absolute joke. I would hope it would help if a playoff selection would come down to USD and another team with similar or even a slightly better record, but it obviously hurts in the won/loss department in general. Seems to me a lot of the playoff selection at the end comes down to politics which I don't trust at all. A big question might be that given the strength of the MVFC do we need to schedule as tough as we do? Weaker OOCs don't seem to hurt some teams at all. Western and UNI might be asking themselves the same question. Definitely hurts us. We can finish 6-5 and will have no chance at passing another MVFC that went 7-4 no matter their SOS.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 24, 2018 17:26:47 GMT -6
I'm wondering if having the toughest OOC in the country helps or hurts in the big picture. Some of the games scheduled by MVFC teams were an absolute joke. I would hope it would help if a playoff selection would come down to USD and another team with similar or even a slightly better record, but it obviously hurts in the won/loss department in general. Seems to me a lot of the playoff selection at the end comes down to politics which I don't trust at all. A big question might be that given the strength of the MVFC do we need to schedule as tough as we do? Weaker OOCs don't seem to hurt some teams at all. Western and UNI might be asking themselves the same question. Definitely hurts us. We can finish 6-5 and will have no chance at passing another MVFC that went 7-4 no matter their SOS. I respectfully disagree. The answer is just win. If we go 5-3 in the Valley I will bet we’re in. Doesn’t matter at this point in the season though. Just take care of business and that starts Saturday. Winning cures ills. If we play anything like we did in Ogden we don’t deserve to be in playoffs. That might be the worst game I’ve witnessed us play offensively in 10 years. The good news? The D was special. My hope is that game was an aberration and we “right the ship” Saturday. Confidence has been shook. That might be a good thing...it might be a bad thing. Time will tell. There is not a dog in the league right now. If we are who I think we are we’ll find a way to win Saturday. Right now we are 0-0 in the real season.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 24, 2018 21:37:02 GMT -6
If we go 5-3 in conference and still miss out of the playoffs I will be fine with that. Proving ourselves in the toughest FCS conference in the country is validation to me of a successful season. I don't need some committee to tell me that.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 25, 2018 3:59:16 GMT -6
Definitely hurts us. We can finish 6-5 and will have no chance at passing another MVFC that went 7-4 no matter their SOS. I respectfully disagree. The answer is just win. If we go 5-3 in the Valley I will bet we’re in. Doesn’t matter at this point in the season though. Just take care of business and that starts Saturday. Winning cures ills. If we play anything like we did in Ogden we don’t deserve to be in playoffs. That might be the worst game I’ve witnessed us play offensively in 10 years. The good news? The D was special. My hope is that game was an aberration and we “right the ship” Saturday. Confidence has been shook. That might be a good thing...it might be a bad thing. Time will tell. There is not a dog in the league right now. If we are who I think we are we’ll find a way to win Saturday. Right now we are 0-0 in the real season. I don't think I completely clarified. We could make the playoffs at 6-5 (5-3 in MVFC), it would be as one of the final teams in the field, my point is that we would almost certainly reside lower than any MVFC team that went 7-4 (5-3 in MVFC) even though we had a tougher schedule. I don't think the committee cares much if you play Weber State or if you play UAPB, North Alabama, or Butler. My guess is the teams in the conference realize this too, looking around the MVFC this year I see a great deal of creampuffs on the schedule this year. In the end the team just has to win. Still, I think it's wise to give yourself the best shot at making the playoff field. This conference is an absolute meat grinder and piling on with challenging games in the non-conference might not be doing us any favors.
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Post by aldewitt on Sept 27, 2018 20:45:24 GMT -6
UNI looked back to form shutting out Indiana State 33-0. This will begin the downfall of ISUb from the lofty heights their strong start gave them. They really weren’t up to it at all tonight. It was at home too.
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 27, 2018 21:37:47 GMT -6
UNI looked back to form shutting out Indiana State 33-0. This will begin the downfall of ISUb from the lofty heights their strong start gave them. They really weren’t up to it at all tonight. It was at home too. Indiana State played a P5 in a downpour and two cupcakes in OOC. They're improved from last year, but they're still not much of a threat in the MVFC. That will probably take another year or two.
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