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Post by Cousin Eddie on Feb 9, 2018 16:22:08 GMT -6
A policy question to provide guidance and/or user data for the mods.
I flagged a post for being negative. I had a discussion with a mod about it. The mod suggested that I create a poll to determine the general sentiment of the members on how mods should or should not regulate board discussion.
Fire away.
Thanks!
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 9, 2018 16:42:03 GMT -6
I would add that you should have at least one warning, maybe two. If the poster continues to commit the exact same offense after a warning or two, .... death penalty. Although bots and trolls should just be eliminated. Maybe if they don't respond?.....
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Post by yotebewithyou on Feb 9, 2018 18:12:20 GMT -6
I'm indifferent on this one. I think that "He who must not be named" is a bandwagon fan (and he'll admit it) and he means well but some things he says are just ridiculous. I guess I'd be better off just blocking him
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2018 18:28:36 GMT -6
I would add that you should have at least one warning, maybe two. If the poster continues to commit the exact same offense after a warning or two, .... death penalty. Although bots and trolls should just be eliminated. Maybe if they don't respond?..... I agree, hence why I voted for the "cooling off" option. I've got the poster in question on my ignore list, but it's impossible to ignore countless threads being derailed by unwarranted pessimism and nitpicking attendance (but only for one school). He isn't a bandwagon fan. He isn't a troll. He might as well be though because their posts frequently elicit the same backlash that a troll would have. I find myself less interested in this board the more they post, and I know there are others right there with me. That should be reason enough to take action.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 9, 2018 18:51:57 GMT -6
Just a little clip it about the reason for the board that is stated down below. "This forum represents a free marketplace of ideas and opinions".
If I get banned it kind of goes against the purpose of the board. If I get banned it also proves that the USD community, at least in here have certain people that are welcome and certain people that are not". We can welcome diversity or we can rub it out. It is up to the members of the board. Don't forget that I have just as many positive posts than negative ones.
Nothing is changing from my end nor does it need to change.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 9, 2018 20:23:06 GMT -6
I would add that you should have at least one warning, maybe two. If the poster continues to commit the exact same offense after a warning or two, .... death penalty. Although bots and trolls should just be eliminated. Maybe if they don't respond?..... I agree, hence why I voted for the "cooling off" option. I've got the poster in question on my ignore list, but it's impossible to ignore countless threads being derailed by unwarranted pessimism and nitpicking attendance (but only for one school). He isn't a bandwagon fan. He isn't a troll. He might as well be though because their posts frequently elicit the same backlash that a troll would have. I find myself less interested in this board the more they post, and I know there are others right there with me. That should be reason enough to take action. I would call many of his posts "trolling ". Like, the exact definition of it. Purposeful provocation where he knows he will get a reaction. I wouldn't call HIM a troll. In fact, there are times that I genuinely appreciate his posts. OTOH, when you have been asked, by multiple posters, over and over and over again to end a certain behavior, and you refuse to oblige,.... there has got to be consequences. Nobody is trying to tell you what to think. It's more about manners and common decency. You are being rude and disrespectful IMO. This is a privately maintained forum. Nobody has a "right" to be here. You can't sue anyone for being banned. (Not directed at you, Yotes) Just my opinion.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 9, 2018 23:12:31 GMT -6
I like how bringing up facts no matter how inconvenient for some is considered trolling. The way I look at it I have to put up with many A-holes that basically personally attack me unprovoked. I have to put up with 100 times the crap that any other poster has to put up with.
BTW this isn't even an unbiased poll. Nothing like creating a poll that has a purpose to elicit a certain type of voting. Cousin Eddie lives up to his nick name amazingly well. He certainly would not be hired by a news agency to create a sound poll.
I would suggest for anyone reading this to not even vote. That includes not voting "no" either. This is a stupid poll.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 10, 2018 4:24:15 GMT -6
Just a little more about this topic. Cousin Eddie and many others on the board fall into the same way of thinking. I am going to aim this one more specifically at CE. With me you get the good with that bad. I am an equal opportunity poster. Can you say the same CE. You have made up your mind about me long ago. You never reply to any my posts that may be deemed positive so how come that is the case CE. Doesn't that mean that you yourself focus on the negative. Where is your open mindedness or do you have just one way of thinking? I have had plenty of positive and encouraging posts that you seem to want to conveniently ignore. That goes for many others as well that have already made up their closed mind that they will only look at things one way. I have an open mind. That is why I tend to be right on many things despite not many people being willing to admit it because they have a one tracked mind.
Lets look at this another way. Coach Smith and Coach Plitzuweit are both very good coaches. Let's take Coach Smith as an example. He is known to be a positive guy but if you think about it what does he do during a game. He is often times arguing with the refs and maybe he gets on his players as well. Isn't that considered negative? That is what many coached do. Should he not be banned from USD because he is being too negative on the side line. Isn't a coach that complains to the officials during the game considered a bad influence on the University. After all that is negative behavior isn't that correct?
When you watch a news cast isn't the news pretty much mostly negative. CE do you call out the new station, maybe throw out a few personal attacks towards the anchors and make a phone call to complain to the owner of the station. If I call out the University for potentially fudging attendance numbers is that any worse than student athletes getting into a little harmless trouble. Should those students get kicked out of school because they might be perceived to be doing something a little negative. When you go out to eat and maybe see someone going at their meal a little too aggressively or having a little too much to drink do you go over to them and tell them to stop eating so much or maybe tell them to take it easy on that beer.
The point is everyone is different than everyone else. Some one might believe in a different religion than you, someone might have different views on issues. Is that something that should be celebrated or it that something that should receive zero tolerance. Wars are started that kill millions because of people having zero tolerance for something that is different from themselves and their beliefs. My belief is personally that I like the truth and sometimes that truth is supportive and sometimes it is not to a particular cause. I don't believe in sweeping things under the rug and I don't believe in having a closed mind. One of my particular strengths is to keep and open mind and to consider all angles when coming to a decision or forming an opinion. I love debate and sometimes playing devils advocate.
So for those that want only one kind of person that falls in line with what many people think I may not be that guy. If I do stay on the board I challenge all posters to not only focus on the negative but also focus on the positive as well. Both will always be part of life and there is no getting around it.
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Post by wrj on Feb 10, 2018 16:31:42 GMT -6
I like how bringing up facts no matter how inconvenient for some is considered trolling. The way I look at it I have to put up with many A-holes that basically personally attack me unprovoked. I have to put up with 100 times the crap that any other poster has to put up with. BTW this isn't even an unbiased poll. Nothing like creating a poll that has a purpose to elicit a certain type of voting. Cousin Eddie lives up to his nick name amazingly well. He certainly would not be hired by a news agency to create a sound poll. I would suggest for anyone reading this to not even vote. That includes not voting "no" either. This is a stupid poll. A real news agency, probably not. But there are several organizations that claim to be news agencies, both on the right and the left, who will try to influence answers by the way they phrase the questions. I seem to recall this being called "push polling" in the distant past.
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Post by sd4life on Feb 11, 2018 8:37:31 GMT -6
A policy question to provide guidance and/or user data for the mods. I flagged a post for being negative. I had a discussion with a mod about it. The mod suggested that I create a poll to determine the general sentiment of the members on how mods should or should not regulate board discussion. Fire away. Thanks! This is an honest question. Why can't people just scroll past posts/comments they don't like? My feeling is the more moderating/deleting/booting that happens, the less popular the place becomes. This is a message forum for USD. There will be negative things to discuss.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 11, 2018 12:01:35 GMT -6
Here’s the issue at heart. Actually two. But before I lay it out as moderator, it’s no surprise that CoyoteFan and I have no time whatsoever for each other. He rightfully accuses me time after time of having red colored glasses on and being pro Coyotes all the time. And that is spot on. I am. The problem I have with him is twofold. First, although I’m sure he will deny it, he has a certain level of contempt for the boosters and those that have made a financial investment into trying to build this program. That chaps my butt something furious. Secondly, he has made several posts that without question are trolling and antagonizing with the sole purpose of each one to beat his chest in how bad we are, or lack of success in the past leading to failure in the future, etc. Because of those posts, there have been several people on this board that no longer contribute or participate for various reasons.
The other real issue is that this is the one and only fan board. Period. So in this day and age of social media they tend to gravitate towards websites like this “to get a feel” of what different people have to say about either current status of our programs or where we are heading. Case in point is when Joe Glenn was coaching and he constantly barraged this board with constant negative comments, and put down those that supported Coach Glenn and why his staff was inferior. Put yourself in the mind of a recruit, and if you read those posts, wouldn’t you at minimum question yourself as to why you want to go there? Even if you think the previous staff wasn’t what we needed, there are other ways to handle it than in a public forum.
My assessment is CF many times has really good and accurate analysis of situations. I like his input in certain things, and quite frankly respect his take on it. Then comes the “fingernails on a chalkboard” bursts of posts that bash or beat a dead horse over the head about things that make no sense. Such as how many people attended this game or that game. Make your point then drop it. That’s where I stand.
At the end of the day to build a program(s) the right way, you need financing to do it. Those that are capable of doing so need to step up and do it. But they don’t deserve to be chastised because as a result of their donations they are awarded good seating. And maybe they can’t be there for a game, or perhaps any game, but that doesn’t mean they are not supporters. Then there’s the other side where those that can buy tickets and attend without the capability of giving should do just that. Buy tickets and fill those seats and cheer for the Coyotes in other words, it takes all of us to do what we can in building something. I know of no donors that harbor ill will to those that can’t give, and I know only a couple that harbor resentment towards those that give.
I have been asked by no less than 10 people to stop the nonsensical posts. I get it, but I don’t think that’s my job as a moderator. Personally speaking, no matter how frustrated I get at some of his posts it’s not my job to censor him, or anyone for that matter. But the debate in my mind is acting on the best interest of the majority and the athletic department in general. I believe what we all want is for USD to be as successful as possible, and back the coaches, players, and administration.
In closing I think I’m correct in saying that CF attempted to create his own fanboard but no one followed. There might be a reason for it.
At the end of the day I would ask all posters engage in good debate and yet attempt to be as positive as we can be. This goes for myself as well.
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Post by azsod73 on Feb 11, 2018 13:56:17 GMT -6
Here’s the issue at heart. Actually two. But before I lay it out as moderator, it’s no surprise that CoyoteFan and I have no time whatsoever for each other. He rightfully accuses me time after time of having red colored glasses on and being pro Coyotes all the time. And that is spot on. I am. The problem I have with him is twofold. First, although I’m sure he will deny it, he has a certain level of contempt for the boosters and those that have made a financial investment into trying to build this program. That chaps my butt something furious. Secondly, he has made several posts that without question are trolling and antagonizing with the sole purpose of each one to beat his chest in how bad we are, or lack of success in the past leading to failure in the future, etc. Because of those posts, there have been several people on this board that no longer contribute or participate for various reasons. The other real issue is that this is the one and only fan board. Period. So in this day and age of social media they tend to gravitate towards websites like this “to get a feel” of what different people have to say about either current status of our programs or where we are heading. Case in point is when Joe Glenn was coaching and he constantly barraged this board with constant negative comments, and put down those that supported Coach Glenn and why his staff was inferior. Put yourself in the mind of a recruit, and if you read those posts, wouldn’t you at minimum question yourself as to why you want to go there? Even if you think the previous staff wasn’t what we needed, there are other ways to handle it than in a public forum.
My assessment is CF many times has really good and accurate analysis of situations. I like his input in certain things, and quite frankly respect his take on it. Then comes the “fingernails on a chalkboard” bursts of posts that bash or beat a dead horse over the head about things that make no sense. Such as how many people attended this game or that game. Make your point then drop it. That’s where I stand. At the end of the day to build a program(s) the right way, you need financing to do it. Those that are capable of doing so need to step up and do it. But they don’t deserve to be chastised because as a result of their donations they are awarded good seating. And maybe they can’t be there for a game, or perhaps any game, but that doesn’t mean they are not supporters. Then there’s the other side where those that can buy tickets and attend without the capability of giving should do just that. Buy tickets and fill those seats and cheer for the Coyotes in other words, it takes all of us to do what we can in building something. I know of no donors that harbor ill will to those that can’t give, and I know only a couple that harbor resentment towards those that give. I have been asked by no less than 10 people to stop the nonsensical posts. I get it, but I don’t think that’s my job as a moderator. Personally speaking, no matter how frustrated I get at some of his posts it’s not my job to censor him, or anyone for that matter. But the debate in my mind is acting on the best interest of the majority and the athletic department in general. I believe what we all want is for USD to be as successful as possible, and back the coaches, players, and administration. In closing I think I’m correct in saying that CF attempted to create his own fanboard but no one followed. There might be a reason for it. At the end of the day I would ask all posters engage in good debate and yet attempt to be as positive as we can be. This goes for myself as well. I agree with the total post but the high lighted area is most significant in my mind. Also, can the moderators tell if the "NO" votes are from bunnie fans? I would expect a number of them would want to torch our board by voting to keep the cancer alive.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 11, 2018 14:46:35 GMT -6
Tough one. A person with a personality manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience can disrupt on purpose and without realizing it. If you work with someone like that, after a while you likely quit and find a new job. However, if you are the boss, and that is why people are leaving, well, you need to lead and remove the person causing the issues.
My opinion is that this forum is the face of USD athletics to a lot of people. If people are really not coming here because one individual has made it un-fun, well, then that is a problem. Especially as we are collectively trying to build a larger community.
All things being equal, I would just ask CF to tone it down or scale back the posts. But he truly believes he is the open minded one, even though he is completely closed-minded when it comes to everyone asking him alter a behavior that would benefit everyone, including himself.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 11, 2018 15:51:08 GMT -6
Folks, people don't actually believe everything they read on social media, at least they shouldn't. The saying "I read it on the internet so it must be true" exists for a reason. I don't worry about people coming here and reading a CF post and believing that is representative of all Coyote fans. That's like saying LakesBison reps all of the Bison fans.
CF doesn't cross the line of vulgarity or personal attacks. He gives his opinion. He shouldn't be banned or censored for it, even if some don't like his opinion. I certainly don't.
My advice is to debate him, and there are enough of you that you could overwhelm him, or just ignore him. Put him on official ignore or just skip his posts.
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Post by goyotes24 on Feb 11, 2018 16:20:57 GMT -6
There is a difference between being facetious and being malicious.
CF is merely trying to be facetious and provocative, but the way he conveys his opinions causes him to fail in his intentions, thus appearing to be malicious.
As Yote 53 already stated, I have no concern whatsoever that a potential recruit is coming to the boards to see what the fan base is like. If anything, they would see there are a lot of passionate fans. I would presume recruits would rather play in front of passionate fans rather than apathetic fans.
I have no doubt CF is a big USD fan, but like many others here, I find many of his arguments/opinions to be pretty bad. But a bad opinion does not mean you are wrong, it just makes it easier to debate.
Nonetheless, I voted no.
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