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Post by gopheryote on Feb 24, 2018 13:02:12 GMT -6
So, things have gotten interesting on this front over the past couple days. Here is ESPN's up-to-date-tracking: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22555512/explaining-ncaa-college-basketball-scandal-players-coaches-agentsI was happy to see it is contained at the P5/Blue Bloods, and the Summit League isn't on the radar. Then 2 thoughts came to mind that do affect the SL: 1. If 10-20 coaches are dismissed, mass chaos will certainly have Smith & TJ getting calls from schools up the ladder. 2. I didn't catch it right away, but apparently Iowa St. is named in a couple of different instances. Does anyone know if the timeframe overlaps with TJ's time there? Man, I fricking hope not...
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2018 16:37:52 GMT -6
So, things have gotten interesting on this front over the past couple days. Here is ESPN's up-to-date-tracking: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22555512/explaining-ncaa-college-basketball-scandal-players-coaches-agentsI was happy to see it is contained at the P5/Blue Bloods, and the Summit League isn't on the radar. Then 2 thoughts came to mind that do affect the SL: 1. If 10-20 coaches are dismissed, mass chaos will certainly have Smith & TJ getting calls from schools up the ladder. 2. I didn't catch it right away, but apparently Iowa St. is named in a couple of different instances. Does anyone know if the timeframe overlaps with TJ's time there? Man, I fricking hope not... It does. The Yahoo report indicates that former Iowa State player Monte Morris had a free lunch, while still playing at Iowa State, with Christian Dawkins - the agent who is alleged to have been instrumental in arranging the payments to the assistants who were arrested in September. This info tying to Iowa State is from a year-end balance sheet in 2015 and expense reports from Spring 2016. TJ was an assistant at Iowa State for the 2015-16 season. No idea if TJ was involved or what will come out of this for Iowa State, but it appears he was on staff when things were happening. It's interesting that Washington is also implicated for Markelle Fultz receiving $10,000 from this same firm. TJ was an assistant for two years at Washington under the head coach in question. TJ was gone before this would have taken place but it is interesting that both of the Power 5 schools that he worked at are implicated. It's likely a coincidence though since 20 schools have been named.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2018 16:59:13 GMT -6
So, Sean Miller was caught on a wiretap negotiating a $100,000 payment with Christian Dawkins. Miller is not coaching tonight. Who is taking his place? Lorenzo Romar. The former head coach of Washington who may be in trouble for getting Fultz paid. All of this comes after Arizona already had one of their assistants get arrested and brought up on federal charges before the season.
Arizona is going to burn to the ground. I wonder who else will.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 24, 2018 18:32:45 GMT -6
So, Sean Miller was caught on a wiretap negotiating a $100,000 payment with Christian Dawkins. Miller is not coaching tonight. Who is taking his place? Lorenzo Romar. The former head coach of Washington who may be in trouble for getting Fultz paid. All of this comes after Arizona already had one of their assistants get arrested and brought up on federal charges before the season. Arizona is going to burn to the ground. I wonder who else will. Incredible! I always figured big time college and summer AAU hoops to be cesspools. When it comes to the Iowa State thing, if it's just lunch what's the big deal? I wish the NCAA would concentrate on nailing the big infractions and not even bothering with that type of nitpicking stuff.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2018 18:53:02 GMT -6
So, Sean Miller was caught on a wiretap negotiating a $100,000 payment with Christian Dawkins. Miller is not coaching tonight. Who is taking his place? Lorenzo Romar. The former head coach of Washington who may be in trouble for getting Fultz paid. All of this comes after Arizona already had one of their assistants get arrested and brought up on federal charges before the season. Arizona is going to burn to the ground. I wonder who else will. Incredible! I always figured big time college and summer AAU hoops to be cesspools. When it comes to the Iowa State thing, if it's just lunch what's the big deal? I wish the NCAA would concentrate on nailing the big infractions and not even bothering with that type of nitpicking stuff. I agree that if it is just a lunch then it isn't worth any attention. We can't be sure that this is all that transpired though. There's way more out there than the Yahoo report (the source that named Iowa State), they didn't even have Sean Miller and the $100,000 payment in there. Any coach that had a connection with Dawkins and ASM needs to be investigated, and thankfully we have the FBI doing that instead of the NCAA.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 24, 2018 19:21:26 GMT -6
So, things have gotten interesting on this front over the past couple days. Here is ESPN's up-to-date-tracking: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22555512/explaining-ncaa-college-basketball-scandal-players-coaches-agentsI was happy to see it is contained at the P5/Blue Bloods, and the Summit League isn't on the radar. Then 2 thoughts came to mind that do affect the SL: 1. If 10-20 coaches are dismissed, mass chaos will certainly have Smith & TJ getting calls from schools up the ladder. 2. I didn't catch it right away, but apparently Iowa St. is named in a couple of different instances. Does anyone know if the timeframe overlaps with TJ's time there? Man, I fricking hope not... It does. The Yahoo report indicates that former Iowa State player Monte Morris had a free lunch, while still playing at Iowa State, with Christian Dawkins - the agent who is alleged to have been instrumental in arranging the payments to the assistants who were arrested in September. This info tying to Iowa State is from a year-end balance sheet in 2015 and expense reports from Spring 2016. TJ was an assistant at Iowa State for the 2015-16 season. No idea if TJ was involved or what will come out of this for Iowa State, but it appears he was on staff when things were happening. It's interesting that Washington is also implicated for Markelle Fultz receiving $10,000 from this same firm. TJ was an assistant for two years at Washington under the head coach in question. TJ was gone before this would have taken place but it is interesting that both of the Power 5 schools that he worked at are implicated. It's likely a coincidence though since 20 schools have been named. I assure you TJ had absolutely nothing to do with anything illegal or immoral. Both Craig Smith and TJ in my opinion are way above anything like what some programs are going to get hammered with. Monte Morris had lunch with this guy, but I’m not certain that the agent even paid for it. Morris didn’t even hire this guy to represent him. I would bet a ton that Iowa State didn’t have a clue Morris had lunch. Pollard runs a brutally clean program, and Prohm is a top drawer guy.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 24, 2018 20:08:45 GMT -6
No matter how much someone knows someone they can't control what other people do. I am not saying TJ did anything but we just don't really know. People with supposed high morals cheat and/or break laws all the time. I am in no way implementing anyone but unless you are in someone's mind which last I knew was impossible you never know what they have or have not done in their life.
This is one of the big reasons I wouldn't mind the split of D1 basketball. Let the Power Conferences pay their players what they want. Have the rest be in their own division not allowed to pay players. If any programs ever gets caught paying players from the lower division than permanently ban the school from being in the lower division and their choice is to play with the big boys and pay with them as well or permanently ban their program. Unfortunately Arizona got caught trying to keep up with the Jones's.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 25, 2018 10:29:00 GMT -6
I hope they all burn. You can say, no big deal, millions of dollars being made, why can't the players get some of it. The problem is the programs that don't cheat are unfairly disadvantaged and the mid-majors that can't afford to cheat will never be able to compete.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 25, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -6
What irks me the most is that, come hell or high water, Arizona, Louisville etc will be in the NCAA tourney in a few weeks and reap the financial awards that go with it and the Summit will get its one token team which may or may not be its top team. Win the conference get an auto bid, win conference tourney, get an auto bid and to hell with some P5 conference's 8th place team getting in. Radical? Definitely, and I'm not delusional enough to think this would ever happen.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 25, 2018 17:14:38 GMT -6
What irks me the most is that, come hell or high water, Arizona, Louisville etc will be in the NCAA tourney in a few weeks and reap the financial awards that go with it and the Summit will get its one token team which may or may not be its top team. Win the conference get an auto bid, win conference tourney, get an auto bid and to hell with some P5 conference's 8th place team getting in. Radical? Definitely, and I'm not delusional enough to think this would ever happen. The schools who are firing their coaches and having assistants ARRESTED BY THE FBI know that they are staring down postseason bans, but in a few weeks will be playing for the national title. Disgusting. Arizona, Auburn, Louisville, Miami, Alabama, and USC were all named in the reports in September. All are set for NCAA bids. I said when those reports came out that I didn't see this changing the landscape very much. People will go to jail, and big-time coaches will (or did - Pitino) go down, but the programs won't be held accountable and will go back to business as usual after a few laughable sanctions. The only lesson learned will be to cover your tracks better when breaking the rules.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 25, 2018 17:24:51 GMT -6
It does. The Yahoo report indicates that former Iowa State player Monte Morris had a free lunch, while still playing at Iowa State, with Christian Dawkins - the agent who is alleged to have been instrumental in arranging the payments to the assistants who were arrested in September. This info tying to Iowa State is from a year-end balance sheet in 2015 and expense reports from Spring 2016. TJ was an assistant at Iowa State for the 2015-16 season. No idea if TJ was involved or what will come out of this for Iowa State, but it appears he was on staff when things were happening. It's interesting that Washington is also implicated for Markelle Fultz receiving $10,000 from this same firm. TJ was an assistant for two years at Washington under the head coach in question. TJ was gone before this would have taken place but it is interesting that both of the Power 5 schools that he worked at are implicated. It's likely a coincidence though since 20 schools have been named. I assure you TJ had absolutely nothing to do with anything illegal or immoral. Both Craig Smith and TJ in my opinion are way above anything like what some programs are going to get hammered with. Monte Morris had lunch with this guy, but I’m not certain that the agent even paid for it. Morris didn’t even hire this guy to represent him. I would bet a ton that Iowa State didn’t have a clue Morris had lunch. Pollard runs a brutally clean program, and Prohm is a top drawer guy. I might have assumed, but checking again it is not clear if the agent paid for anything. There are no rules against meeting with an agent. It's these same circumstances that have Duke, UNC, and other powers in the conversation. I think anyone who worked with this agency should be checked into, but a potential free meal pales in comparison to these wiretapped conversations of arranging six-figure payments to players.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 25, 2018 19:21:07 GMT -6
Not to be black-helicopter about it, but I agree with Seth Davis: One agent. One agent (Andy Miller), one former associate (Christian Dawkins), one agency (ASM Sports). One FBI raid on one office turning up information in one small corner of the college basketball underworld. This very small window offers us only a peek into what everyone knows has been going on in this sport for decades. The more we see, the worse it looks. ... Among the many questions the people who run college athletics need to ask themselves, let’s start with this one: If this much malfeasance can be exposed with a single raid of a single office of a single NBA agent, how much more is out there? theathletic.com/251303/2018/02/23/davis-while-march-madness-gets-ready-to-fiddle-college-basketball-slowly-burns/
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Post by Yotes on Feb 25, 2018 19:46:29 GMT -6
Not to be black-helicopter about it, but I agree with Seth Davis: One agent. One agent (Andy Miller), one former associate (Christian Dawkins), one agency (ASM Sports). One FBI raid on one office turning up information in one small corner of the college basketball underworld. This very small window offers us only a peek into what everyone knows has been going on in this sport for decades. The more we see, the worse it looks. ... Among the many questions the people who run college athletics need to ask themselves, let’s start with this one: If this much malfeasance can be exposed with a single raid of a single office of a single NBA agent, how much more is out there? theathletic.com/251303/2018/02/23/davis-while-march-madness-gets-ready-to-fiddle-college-basketball-slowly-burns/Right? Tip of the iceberg here. I'm all for hard reform. The NCAA exists to serve amateur student athletes. Top basketball and football programs are very profitable, but they make up less than 1% of all student athletes. I want to see the NCAA take a hard line on this and get the dirty money out of college athletics. (I'm not foolish enough to think they'll do anything but the bare minimum, if that)
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Post by usdtator on Feb 26, 2018 9:02:57 GMT -6
Not to be black-helicopter about it, but I agree with Seth Davis: One agent. One agent (Andy Miller), one former associate (Christian Dawkins), one agency (ASM Sports). One FBI raid on one office turning up information in one small corner of the college basketball underworld. This very small window offers us only a peek into what everyone knows has been going on in this sport for decades. The more we see, the worse it looks. ... Among the many questions the people who run college athletics need to ask themselves, let’s start with this one: If this much malfeasance can be exposed with a single raid of a single office of a single NBA agent, how much more is out there? theathletic.com/251303/2018/02/23/davis-while-march-madness-gets-ready-to-fiddle-college-basketball-slowly-burns/Right? Tip of the iceberg here. I'm all for hard reform. The NCAA exists to serve amateur student athletes. Top basketball and football programs are very profitable, but they make up less than 1% of all student athletes. I want to see the NCAA take a hard line on this and get the dirty money out of college athletics. (I'm not foolish enough to think they'll do anything but the bare minimum, if that)Which is exactly why we won't see anything come of it before the tournaments. There is way too much $$$ to be made by the NCAA in the coming weeks for them deal with it now. They stand to loose $Millions$ if they pull those big-time programs from the tournament before it starts. A few months from now, when the tournament is long over and the checks have been cashed by the NCAA, they will allow the FBI to proceed. By that time, they won't care who has to have their tournament wins vacated and by this time next year, everyone will have already forgotten this. I think the NCAA is just as corrupt as the agents they are investigating.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 26, 2018 10:20:03 GMT -6
One thing you might see is that if any of the programs implicated are on the bubble they will be out of the tournament. Maybe this leads to more mid-major selections this year as the NCAA will want to minimize the tainting of the tournament. Trickle down effect means the Summit gets two this season!
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