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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 25, 2018 9:38:08 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 9:55:23 GMT -6
I'm not sure how expensive it is to build an indoor tennis practice facility, but the Heuther Family Match Pointe Tennis facility in Sioux Falls wasn't cheap to build. I'm guessing that there is a minimum number of courts you have to provide for hosting a team meet in the NCAA, plus minimum standards for space around the court, ceiling height, lighting, locker facilities, etc. USD recently held a meet at the Heuther Center this Spring, due to inclement weather. I would think that SDSU would have the same access to that facility. Does the team sometimes practice in the Dome? For the student-athletes, most of them are international, and the article says SDSU will still honor their scholarships. That's big of them. I don't know if that is standard practice when a school drops a sport.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 9:58:02 GMT -6
Another interesting point is that the Summit League counts men's tennis as a necessary sport to maintain it's auto-bid. UND has a team, so I think we are good there, but just barely.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 25, 2018 10:05:04 GMT -6
I was talking about building a facility just for practice, that seems to be the issue at SDSU.
USD tennis practices in the Dome. The courts/lines/etc. are designed into the infield of the indoor track. There are also the practice courts outside by the Dome.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 10:14:07 GMT -6
The minimum open span required for indoor tennis likely exceeds what a Morton Building pole-barn-style building can offer. (Just a guess) Here are some images of the Heuther Center in Sioux Falls (6 courts): Cost $4 millon Ceiling height: 40 feet Building Dimensions: (measured from aerial) 140 span x 350 length
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 10:36:50 GMT -6
I was talking about building a facility just for practice, that seems to be the issue at SDSU. USD tennis practices in the Dome. The courts/lines/etc. are designed into the infield of the indoor track. There are also the practice courts outside by the Dome. Gotcha. The Dome has been an advantage in so many sports, including tennis, obviously. I'd say that even for a practice facility you want a minimum number of courts. With the Heuther Center the building was 135-140' in the long dimension of the court, but a true minimum from fence to fence is more like 120'. A Morton building maxes out at less than 100' clear span. You could maybe build one in the opposite orientation, where the minimum from fence(wall) to fence is 60', but putting even two courts in a building like that would be a 240' long building (would look like a giant hog confinement). I don't know how tall a Morton Building can be built, but you don't see many with 40' ceilings, because of the need for trusses.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 10:45:52 GMT -6
My uneducated guess is that a 6-court facility could be built for less than $4 million, but not much less. There is a mezzanine level and an elevator in the Heuther Center. So that wouldn't be neccessary. For a non-revenue sport there are limits to the facility budget, I think. Even though the Dome was a weird place to play basketball and volleyball, think of how much money the University saved over the years, compared with building multiple facilities...
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Post by yote14 on Apr 25, 2018 12:39:37 GMT -6
It's funny because a lot of bunny fans talk shit to USD about letting the conference down with not having baseball or why we dropped baseball.
Their fan base also jumped on board with NDSU (as the bunnies do with everything NDSU because they so desperately want to be them kind of like the dorky kid in school) on degrading UND for dropping baseball. They also jumped on board degrading UND about how much trouble they are in with budgets.
Looks like things are a little shaky in cow town.
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Post by easmus on Apr 25, 2018 15:21:29 GMT -6
As a former tennis player, playing indoors is so tricky with ceiling heights. It might sound silly, but playing indoors is difficult. Too bad to see this happen anywhere.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 15:44:38 GMT -6
As a former tennis player, playing indoors is so tricky with ceiling heights. It might sound silly, but playing indoors is difficult. Too bad to see this happen anywhere. Agree. The few times I have ever played indoors it was very weird. The surface is always going to be different, too. I have no idea what is used now, but the SportCourt-type surface I encountered didn't have much friction. The ball "slid" more. I guess it would give you a home-court advantage, at least.
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Post by jacksfan29 on Apr 25, 2018 18:23:09 GMT -6
It's funny because a lot of bunny fans talk shit to USD about letting the conference down with not having baseball or why we dropped baseball. Their fan base also jumped on board with NDSU (as the bunnies do with everything NDSU because they so desperately want to be them kind of like the dorky kid in school) on degrading UND for dropping baseball. They also jumped on board degrading UND about how much trouble they are in with budgets. Looks like things are a little shaky in cow town. You honestly think SDSU dropped tennis because we have a budget issue? Really? I suggest you head over to the regents reports, USD has a very good business school, hopefully you attended it so you can understand basic finance. As for comparing tennis to baseball? SDSU wanted to drop tennis years ago due to our not having facilities for practice, or hosting meets. We kept it around till UND joined so the league minimum stays intact.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 21:56:04 GMT -6
It's funny because a lot of bunny fans talk shit to USD about letting the conference down with not having baseball or why we dropped baseball. Their fan base also jumped on board with NDSU (as the bunnies do with everything NDSU because they so desperately want to be them kind of like the dorky kid in school) on degrading UND for dropping baseball. They also jumped on board degrading UND about how much trouble they are in with budgets. Looks like things are a little shaky in cow town. You honestly think SDSU dropped tennis because we have a budget issue? Really? I suggest you head over to the regents reports, USD has a very good business school, hopefully you attended it so you can understand basic finance. As for comparing tennis to baseball? SDSU wanted to drop tennis years ago due to our not having facilities for practice, or hosting meets. We kept it around till UND joined so the league minimum stays intact. I didn't go to business school, but the statement "unable to provide adequate facilities" pretty much means there are budget issues. Yes, SDSU has a larger athletic budget than USD, which is not really a relevant point here. Choosing to shutter a program due to inadequate facilities means you are not able to pay for those facilities. And your final statement is an absolute one, presuming that you have intimate knowledge of the reasons behind keeping the Tennis program around only long enough to add another tennis-playing school. In reality, this is pure speculation on your part. You have no idea what the athletic department's motives are or have been. Speculate all you want, but don't try to present it as fact. If the sport being on borrowed time was common knowledge, why would your coach or athletes have agreed to come to SDSU in the first place? I call BS. If State had dropped Tennis prior to now, Douple likely would have just added another Tennis-only member. That's what he has said about baseball, and is the reason he doesn't feel rushed to add members (in his own words).
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 25, 2018 22:04:34 GMT -6
I was talking about building a facility just for practice, that seems to be the issue at SDSU. USD tennis practices in the Dome. The courts/lines/etc. are designed into the infield of the indoor track. There are also the practice courts outside by the Dome. So I found another affordable option for SDSU (or any school) to provide an indoor practice/event facility: arizonbuildingsystems.com/This is one of several companies that build air-domes for sport facilites. Illinois State just built one that houses 6 full courts at 40' ceiling height. They host tournaments there. I don't know what they paid, but the site says inflatable domes can cost anywhere from $10 to $25 per foot, based on HVAC. That puts the Bloomington/Normal Illinois project at $500,000 to $1,000,000. A much better value than the $4 million dollar center in Sioux Falls. I think your original post here was correct. This could have been done, but just wasn't. Maybe the irony of building a dome, after decades of deriding ours, was just too thick. And the cost of building the courts is fairly low. If high schools in South Dakota can build tennis courts, one would hope that SDSU can as well.
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Post by yote14 on Apr 26, 2018 14:30:24 GMT -6
It's funny because a lot of bunny fans talk shit to USD about letting the conference down with not having baseball or why we dropped baseball. Their fan base also jumped on board with NDSU (as the bunnies do with everything NDSU because they so desperately want to be them kind of like the dorky kid in school) on degrading UND for dropping baseball. They also jumped on board degrading UND about how much trouble they are in with budgets. Looks like things are a little shaky in cow town. You honestly think SDSU dropped tennis because we have a budget issue? Really? I suggest you head over to the regents reports, USD has a very good business school, hopefully you attended it so you can understand basic finance. As for comparing tennis to baseball? SDSU wanted to drop tennis years ago due to our not having facilities for practice, or hosting meets. We kept it around till UND joined so the league minimum stays intact. Oh yes. The mighty humanitarian bunnies saving the day again by keeping tennis until another school can be added. We should all bow to you for everything you have done for others. I didn't hear any reasons for dropping the sport other than MONEY related reasons. But none the less I'm not sure where anywhere in my post I said the SDUI CRAMPRABBITS are having budget problems?
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Post by easmus on Apr 27, 2018 13:07:46 GMT -6
Hearing tennis isn’t the only thing they cut at SDSU.
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