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Post by teamsd on Oct 21, 2018 10:21:22 GMT -6
Take out the UNC game. Only that game and what are his stats? Easy to blow up your stats against a horrible team. What are his stats against teams with a 500 or better record. I know o line sucks. You can include K State in those stats even though they are 3-4 He would be at 56% passing, 8 TDs to 5 INTs. The conference games are the ones that matter the most. He's at 60.5% with 6 TDs to 3 INTs there. Maybe we could cherry pick further? Maybe we can whittle this down further until we just have the bad passes isolated and use it as proof that Simmons has no business under center? You hate the guy for ulterior motives, but the source of the problem here isn't Simmons. Well said Yotes. Amen. |
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 21, 2018 11:46:49 GMT -6
At what time is a QB change warranted? I believe there are other talented QB’s waiting for their chance. Do they deserve their chance at this point? Simmons didn't look great yesterday. On the year he is completing 59% of his passes, and has 12 TDs to 5 INTs. That is with the very limited protection he is getting. I don't think a change would help unless one of our backups has the intangible leadership quality in spades. Do we have one like this? |
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 21, 2018 11:55:57 GMT -6
One quick reflection - though not an excuse or even really acceptable - using only hindsight to measure in-the-moment-expectations.
K-State: loss on the road to Big 12 team
Weber St: loss on the road to a physical T10 team who held EWU to zero TD's
UNI: loss at home to a physical T25 team that just manhandled the #2 team (even more than what they did to USD)
YSU: loss on the road to a team that isn't good, but they are physical
3 of the 4 losses are to bigger, stronger, much more physical teams and WSU and UNI are turning out to be much better than anyone expected when we played them. Maybe we just are very 'un-physical' or just don't react when getting the proverbial 'punch in the mouth'?
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Post by teamsd on Oct 21, 2018 13:08:00 GMT -6
Absolutely! We’ve never been physical and I think our track record in the Valley proves that.
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Post by yote2018 on Oct 21, 2018 13:34:49 GMT -6
The defense was, overall, competent. They gave up 22 points, and that includes the fumble on the third play of the game deep in our own territory. Obviously our problems don't lie on that side of the ball. On offense we have a junior QB, who won games as both a freshman and sophomore, and looks very capable. We're loaded at WR. We return 4 starters on the OL. RB is the inexperienced position, but it's also the easiest position to compensate for a lack of experience. Why can we not score points? This side of the ball is a colossal embarrassment. There's no excuse for what we keep seeing. Someone deserves to lose their job. would that be the OC? I personally think he has only has 10plays, that is not a playbook for a college team. where is the three TE formation like last year, and the designed QB runs. |
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Post by yote2018 on Oct 21, 2018 13:40:37 GMT -6
Why aren't we looking at the play Caller for the offence? The person that is in charge of the QBs? where is the Development? Watch QBs coach when simmson comes off the Field, the coach is yelling at him, that is not Coaching. Yelling is for practice not on the sideline on game day.
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Post by bt71 on Oct 21, 2018 15:17:01 GMT -6
Why aren't we looking at the play Caller for the offence? The person that is in charge of the QBs? where is the Development? Watch QBs coach when simmson comes off the Field, the coach is yelling at him, that is not Coaching. Yelling is for practice not on the sideline on game day. So last year the QB coach was a genius and this year he somehow forgot how to coach? You don't know what is being said on the sidelines. And you don't think Streveler got an earful every now and then? |
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 21, 2018 15:33:59 GMT -6
My observations from being at the game yesterday:
1. I really think the team let the weather get into their heads before the game. That's all anybody, not team members that I was aware of, but fans, message
board posters, etc talked about. It just seemed like body language was not good before the game.
2. Speaking of body language, if we weren't flat before that, the fumble on the third play from scrimmage was a killer. We do not seem to recover from
adversity very well at all. 'Yotes simply have to be able to put mistakes behind them. Every team makes them. Capitalize when you can and
fight through them when needed. Does that come back to being mentally tough?
3. I'm not in the locker room and neither is anyone else on this board, but something just seems to be missing. We have plenty of talent, but the results
obviously haven't been there. I'm not going to point any fingers, but this team has underachieved and I know it's frustrating for everyone involved.
4. Stambaugh is huge on the one side. 68 rows to the top. Don't know how many it holds, but the attendance was pathetic, especially given the population
of the area and the program's rich tradition. I've seen more people at Vermillion High School games.
5. Bottom line: I hope things get turned round soon and we start playing to our potential. I'm not holding out hope for a playoff bid, which is
disappointing in and of itself, but it sure would be nice to see some strides being made.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Oct 21, 2018 18:38:06 GMT -6
Simmons didn't look great yesterday. On the year he is completing 59% of his passes, and has 12 TDs to 5 INTs. That is with the very limited protection he is getting. I don't think a change would help unless one of our backups has the intangible leadership quality in spades. Take out the UNC game. Only that game and what are his stats? Easy to blow up your stats against a horrible team. What are his stats against teams with a 500 or better record. I know o line sucks. You can include K State in those stats even though they are 3-4 Don't beat around the bush, the only way you'll be satisfied with the QB play is if a certain LB is playing QB |
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Post by yote2018 on Oct 22, 2018 3:09:48 GMT -6
Why aren't we looking at the play Caller for the offence? The person that is in charge of the QBs? where is the Development? Watch QBs coach when simmson comes off the Field, the coach is yelling at him, that is not Coaching. Yelling is for practice not on the sideline on game day. So last year the QB coach was a genius and this year he somehow forgot how to coach? You don't know what is being said on the sidelines. And you don't think Streveler got an earful every now and then? SO last QB Coach had what duty's as a coach, Passing game coach and QBs coach? Last year is comparing Oranges to Apples. The OC had Two coaches and this year we have one that is the passing game coach. The QB coach had less to worry about so you cant compare year to year. Streveler never got a earful during a game. |
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Post by yote2018 on Oct 22, 2018 3:12:10 GMT -6
Take out the UNC game. Only that game and what are his stats? Easy to blow up your stats against a horrible team. What are his stats against teams with a 500 or better record. I know o line sucks. You can include K State in those stats even though they are 3-4 Don't beat around the bush, the only way you'll be satisfied with the QB play is if a certain LB is playing QB Totally agree with this but hes one hell of a LB now though. that is a huge impact on the Defense if he goes to the offense. |
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Post by yotefbfan on Oct 22, 2018 9:36:02 GMT -6
Ok, I noticed a few fans have totally jumped off the train and have determined that we are now on a path to destruction, where the only possibility of improving is to fire the entire staff and start over? Not sure this is really the case. First, no doubt, this season has been a disappointment to date. We would need a win or at least have a solid showing vs NDSU and then 3 wins to close out the season to consider a trip to the post season a possibility. The reality is, with the changes this coaching staff is making to get us to a consistent playoff qualifier, is that we are not there yet. The obvious fact is that the recruitment of Strevelor put us ahead of schedule and now we are all disappointed with the reality that he was just that good and made the rest of the team better and that we are not a consistent playoff team yet. Let's look at some facts before we bury this team and the coaching staff.
We currently have 13 Seniors with only 1 (Jennings) being recruited by this staff. So in terms of Senior leadership, we cannot expect much although I would give huge props to the Gray Brothers, Alex Cocker and Nick Jensen they are doing great and the others are all contributors to this team. But it is still hard for kids not recruited by this staff to develop into the leaders we need. They are playing their hearts out, but in the end they are not Coach Nielson's recruits.
We have 12 juniors of which 4 are from Coach Nielson's first recruiting class (2016), Baker, Ducker, Allen, and Cline along with one transfer in Johnson. What does all this mean? This helps explain why we are not where we want to be as we are a very young team and lacks the experience, which is why we have yet to show the resolve to win some close games and overcome some bad starts.
So where does this leave us? The current 30 sophomores are made up of 2 transfers, 20 boys from the recruiting '16 class and 8 from the '17 recruiting class. The Redshirt Freshman (Recruiting class of '17) are 23 strong with 8 or so already seeing significant action. The true Freshman are 28 strong with 7 who have already seen action.
In simple terms Coaches recruits are just now seeing game time and learning to succeed. I agree some of them now need to step up and display leadership. If you are looking to judge Coach Nielson, I would recommend waiting till after next year. We should begin to see what his staff has recruited and how they have developed next year and if we are still a perennial bottom half of the MVFC team, then feel free to hammer this coaching staff. Until then, we need to ride out our growing pains, who knows the playoffs are still not out of the question and at the very least we can end with a winning record.
Saturday's game was a train wreck. On the offensive side of the ball the O-line needs to improve and get consistent. We need to find a running game. The 3 headed monster we have at RB is fine, but we need to play the hot hand and stop the predetermined rotation system. We also need to see a running game from Simmons. My other concern is that we have yet to see the #2 QB get anytime, while the opportunities have been few, I am nervous that we are not getting, I assume Tsagalis, some snaps so that in the event of an injury we can have some confidence in his ability. In my mind Simmons is still clearly the starter, but he has his faults and I would like some piece of mind that the backup is ready to compete.
On the defensive side of the ball, injuries continue to mount up which is not helping us, but in the end they are more than serviceable if we can just get some solid offence.
As far as the future, I hope this coaching staff is looking hard at transfers who can come in and give us instant depth and competition at some key positions. While this has not been the season we had wanted, I am still firmly on the train, hoping to finish strong and build for the much greater success in the next few years.
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Post by usdyotes on Oct 22, 2018 10:42:15 GMT -6
He would be at 56% passing, 8 TDs to 5 INTs. The conference games are the ones that matter the most. He's at 60.5% with 6 TDs to 3 INTs there. Maybe we could cherry pick further? Maybe we can whittle this down further until we just have the bad passes isolated and use it as proof that Simmons has no business under center? You hate the guy for ulterior motives, but the source of the problem here isn't Simmons. Well said Yotes. Amen. Really not the source. So he has good numbers. By the way don't put words in my mouth. Never said I hate the kid. Have said he is doing a horrible job. KS 257 1td 43% Weber 210 1td (off the hands of the defender into a different wr hands) 2 int 56% MST 337 1td 74% Uni 328 2td 1 int 72% Ysu 158 1 int 42% Total 1290 yards 5td 4 int 57% Against teams 500 or better Also conference games the ones that matter yes sir he has 6td . Can't disagree with facts. 3 of those against a 1-6 Siu team. So he has 3td against the other 3 conference teams he has faced that matters. Can't argue with that you want facts there they are. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 22, 2018 12:05:26 GMT -6
Ok, I noticed a few fans have totally jumped off the train and have determined that we are now on a path to destruction, where the only possibility of improving is to fire the entire staff and start over? I don't think anyone has suggested dumping the staff. Something on the staff isn't working, but that doesn't mean raze the whole thing and start over. What we have seen is completely unacceptable though. Year 3 in a job that wasn't a rebuild. We shouldn't have to wait for a complete roster turnover when the staff inherited a rising program. Simply no excuse for having an offense that is so inept, so often at this point. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 22, 2018 12:07:21 GMT -6
Really not the source. So he has good numbers. By the way don't put words in my mouth. Never said I hate the kid. Have said he is doing a horrible job. KS 257 1td 43% Weber 210 1td (off the hands of the defender into a different wr hands) 2 int 56% MST 337 1td 74% Uni 328 2td 1 int 72% Ysu 158 1 int 42% Total 1290 yards 5td 4 int 57% Against teams 500 or better Also conference games the ones that matter yes sir he has 6td . Can't disagree with facts. 3 of those against a 1-6 Siu team. So he has 3td against the other 3 conference teams he has faced that matters. Can't argue with that you want facts there they are. You've been on him since you registered a couple years ago. I'm sure if I went back to when Streveler was blowing games with his pick sixes that you didn't say anything negative about him. What's your suggestion for fixing things? |
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