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Post by yotebewithyou on Oct 22, 2018 12:37:39 GMT -6
Ok, I noticed a few fans have totally jumped off the train and have determined that we are now on a path to destruction, where the only possibility of improving is to fire the entire staff and start over? I don't think anyone has suggested dumping the staff. Something on the staff isn't working, but that doesn't mean raze the whole thing and start over. What we have seen is completely unacceptable though. Year 3 in a job that wasn't a rebuild. We shouldn't have to wait for a complete roster turnover when the staff inherited a rising program. Simply no excuse for having an offense that is so inept, so often at this point. You don't think the current staff inherited a re-building project? |
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Post by golfingyote on Oct 22, 2018 12:42:17 GMT -6
I don't think anyone has suggested dumping the staff. Something on the staff isn't working, but that doesn't mean raze the whole thing and start over. What we have seen is completely unacceptable though. Year 3 in a job that wasn't a rebuild. We shouldn't have to wait for a complete roster turnover when the staff inherited a rising program. Simply no excuse for having an offense that is so inept, so often at this point. You don't think the current staff inherited a re-building project? I am with you on this...isn't 80% of our roster Sophomore eligibility and below? |
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 22, 2018 13:19:35 GMT -6
You don't think the current staff inherited a re-building project? I am with you on this...isn't 80% of our roster Sophomore eligibility and below? I don't know about percentages, but it is a very young team. I always scan the opposition's two deeps that are posted in the goyotes preview the week of the game and we're usually a lot younger than the opposition with the exception of the Mo State defense who didn't have a senior starting. YSU was the most senior dominated team we've played in conference so far. Most teams are heavily junior and senior dominated. |
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Post by yotefbfan on Oct 22, 2018 14:00:36 GMT -6
Ok, I noticed a few fans have totally jumped off the train and have determined that we are now on a path to destruction, where the only possibility of improving is to fire the entire staff and start over? I don't think anyone has suggested dumping the staff. Something on the staff isn't working, but that doesn't mean raze the whole thing and start over. What we have seen is completely unacceptable though. Year 3 in a job that wasn't a rebuild. We shouldn't have to wait for a complete roster turnover when the staff inherited a rising program. Simply no excuse for having an offense that is so inept, so often at this point. Sorry, did not mean to suggest that anyone had actually said fire the entire staff, just being a little dramatic with some of the comments shared earlier. As far as the rebuild, although Coach Glenn retired, his last 4 years would not suggest a rising program (2012 - 1-10, 2013 - 4-8, 2014 - 2-10, & 2015 - 5-6). Anytime a new coaching staff comes in there will always be some significant rebuilding (See Nebraska as evidence) especially since coaching staffs often change philosophies and want the players they recruit playing as soon as possible. I agree our offense should be much better than it is and this staff will need to address that the rest of this season and in the off season. |
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Post by usdyotes on Oct 22, 2018 17:28:49 GMT -6
Really not the source. So he has good numbers. By the way don't put words in my mouth. Never said I hate the kid. Have said he is doing a horrible job. KS 257 1td 43% Weber 210 1td (off the hands of the defender into a different wr hands) 2 int 56% MST 337 1td 74% Uni 328 2td 1 int 72% Ysu 158 1 int 42% Total 1290 yards 5td 4 int 57% Against teams 500 or better Also conference games the ones that matter yes sir he has 6td . Can't disagree with facts. 3 of those against a 1-6 Siu team. So he has 3td against the other 3 conference teams he has faced that matters. Can't argue with that you want facts there they are. You've been on him since you registered a couple years ago. I'm sure if I went back to when Streveler was blowing games with his pick sixes that you didn't say anything negative about him. What's your suggestion for fixing things? You are right. I have been because of all the bs that was said about streveler. People said make him a receiver and put in Simmons because of his great arm. Well how's that working out? There is no difference with last years personnel except for the qb. The o line is the same with more experience. The receivers are better this year and the rbs have a year under their belt. So you tell me what the problem is. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 22, 2018 18:36:30 GMT -6
I would not call a program that went 5-6 with a win over NDSU a rebuild. Yes, there was more building to do, but that cupboard was by no means bare.
There are only 19 Joe Glenn recruits left on the team. (That statement credits any class of 2016 recruits to Bob Nielson as he took over in December of 2015 - so all "true" juniors and below plus 2 transfers). That seems like a very low number at this point. Did the staff decide to cut any of his recruits who weren't going to be big contributors, thereby making it into a rebuild? Did they have trouble retaining players? It seems like we've been a very young team for several years now.
The offensive line seems to be the root, or at least the largest, of all our problems. We can't run and have no time to throw. I look back to the 2016 roster, Bob's first year, and I see 14 players at the position. Here's where those guys are:
Banks, Dagel, Meinert, Kennedy played out until graduation
Ruetz, Morris, Lewis, Chisholm - all freshmen in Bob's first class - are no longer on the team. Byrd (RS freshman that year) is also no longer on the team.
Johnson remains on the team, but has never played in a game
Jensen, Anderson, Scheidegger, Bianchi remain
Things look better if you move ahead to 2017. We've only lost 4/10 OL from that class, compared to 4/5 from the 2016 class, but that assumes that another year doesn't bring more attrition.
I started this post by stating that the cupboard was not bare, but further roster analysis shows just 1 starter on the OL from Joe Glenn (Nick Jensen) remains today. If there's one position where you depend on upperclassmen, it's the O-Line. Joe didn't have a whole lot for the future at that position. It also doesn't help that Bob lost 4/5 of his first class. Maybe that comes with the limited opportunity you have with that first class, but that lack of retention is alarming.
I sort of lost my way coming to this stopping point. Everything above might be a separate problem entirely because we did only have 2 guys graduate on the OL from last year, and I doubt Streveler was just that athletic to avoid all pressure coming his way. At any rate, something is very wrong at this position and the only other variable I can think of is a new position coach.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 22, 2018 20:52:02 GMT -6
I would like everyone to pump the brakes a little bit. A lot of you have statistics and facts, etc.....but the bottom line is we don’t have heart. At least right now we don’t. That can fall on the coaches but a high percentage of the time it falls on the players themselves. I don’t know how many of you have experienced what goes on in the locker room but if you have had that experience you’d know right now there’s one of two things going on. First is what I call the Joe Cool mentality where the players actually look at themselves and say things like “ I just want to get out of here” or “it’s not my fault...it’s the other guys fault”. The second possible thing going on inside that locker room is someone getting in the faces of the players at the total risk of losing friends trying to start a fire that right now isn’t going. That’s called leadership, and I have to tell you that right now it isn’t evident. No one has grabbed the proverbial bull by the horns and said “this is my team and this shit isn’t gonna happen anymore”.
In Youngstown I specifically watched our offensive line in several series from a vantage point I could see what’s going on. The bottom line is they aren’t physical. The make contact and back off. They have to drive their opponent to the turf play after play. Be aggressive. Have the mentality I’m gonna kick your a$$ every time we snap the ball. To be honest right now I’d accept a penalty during the game for them not quitting at the whistle. Make a statement.
Many of you will roll your eyes at this but from my perspective, overall we are better than the teams we have played. The exception is Northern Iowa where I think we were even. If we played Weber State 10 times, we’d win 7. If we played Youngstown 10 times, we’d win 8. The point is we have the talent now. We don’t have to wait. What we don’t have is the HEART. Never underestimate what that means to a team. If we don’t step up to the plate and completely change our attitudes, we will finish 4-7 or 5-6. However, if one or two of our guys are willing to risk everything they have vested personally with their teammates, guys that are respected overall, then we can salvage this season. Personally I don’t think anyone’s gonna step up...but the good,lord knows I hope I’m wrong.
I’ll end with this. Playing NDSU to a good game has no value. None. Period. We have to and must win that game. No excuses. The Coyotes have been punched in the mouth. The question is do they have the moxy and fight to punch back? Lastly, Bob Nielson did not forget how to coach overnight. If there are some coaches that didn’t live up to expectations my guess is they will work elsewhere next year. Bob is a damned good man. My guess is is that he’s had a difficult time getting 2 or 3 guys to surface and lead this team. No more excuses. We must win Saturday. I’m calling for a 6 point Coyote win or a 28 point Bison win. If we decide to fight, and quit worrying about the damned Chuckie Doll or trying to make highlight tapes, we have a punchers chance to win this game. If the Coyote team shows up Saturday that’s been showing up most weeks it’s a Bison blowout. We must win the last 4 games. No more excuses.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 22, 2018 21:12:02 GMT -6
There really isn't any fight to this team. Unless you count embarrassing personal fouls. We need to get some makeup artist from the theater department to get YF into the locker room so that he can motivate everyone.
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 22, 2018 21:42:35 GMT -6
There really isn't any fight to this team. Unless you count embarrassing personal fouls. We need to get some makeup artist from the theater department to get YF into the locker room so that he can motivate everyone. Actually, the last personal foul/unsportsmanlike conduct penalty I can recall was against Weber State. That aspect seems to have been cleaned up really well. |
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Post by goyotes84 on Oct 23, 2018 9:00:11 GMT -6
"We currently have 13 Seniors with only 1 (Jennings) being recruited by this staff. So in terms of Senior leadership, we cannot expect much although I would give huge props to the Gray Brothers, Alex Cocker and Nick Jensen they are doing great and the others are all contributors to this team. But it is still hard for kids not recruited by this staff to develop into the leaders we need. They are playing their hearts out, but in the end they are not Coach Nielson's recruits." I would disagree that we shouldn't expect leadership out of guys because they were recruited by someone else. If that is the case, should this staff even be allowed to play someone who was recruited by someone else? More importantly, you don't have to be a senior to be a leader and not all seniors have to be leaders. I don't pretend to know who they are but it seems like leaders have stepped up on the defense as they have played better than I expected and more consistent. The offense needs a leader or two to step forward. The OL has two seniors and two sophomores who started last season and received a number of preseason awards. They have not progressed by have regressed and that could be because of lack of leadership or coaching at that position. |
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